America’s Choice: A Christian Nation or Part of the New World Order?

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Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity and that the government must act to keep it that way. The New World Order is an emerging world government that will eventually take over. What will America choose?

America’s Choice: A Christian Nation or Part of the New World Order?
It's my hope and prayer America will move in the God fearing direction

The recent Supreme Court decisions, are steps in the right direction?

1. Reversal Roe v Wade
2. High School Coach Fired For Prayer On Field, Court Rules It Was Unconstitutiinal To Do So
3. Court Ruled In Favor Of Religious School Choice In New York, With Government Funding
 

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What will America choose?
America must choose right now, not in the future. Which means that illegitimate "president" Joe Biden and his entire administration should be arrested (this coming week), prosecuted, and imprisoned by a military tribunal.

The DOJ and FBI are a part of the conspiracy to destroy America, and all their officials must go to prison, along with all the secretaries of all the government departments. The top officials of the Federal Reserve must also be treated as domestic enemies. And since Barack Obama is the puppet master of Biden, he too should be arrested, along with George Soros.

These are all domestic enemies who have committed themselves to the destruction of America from within, and the people who were trained and commissioned to deal with domestic and foreign enemies have been asleep at the wheel since January 2020.

READ HERE: Something to Think About on the Fourth of July: The Democrats and the FBI Have Nazified America
 
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We are already in the NWO. Since Covid-19 pandemic was used to control the entire world through lockdowns, mask wearing, fear and lies, we experienced this power like never before in history. Biden is a pawn and all the rest of the countries are too. This global governance has been in the making for a long time. You can hear Walter Chronkite in a 1999 15-minute video, speak to the Council on Foreign Relations concerning this pill that Americas will have difficulty in swallowing. The gist of it: In order for this world to prosper, have peace and solve world hunger, the nations would have to relinquish their sovereignties and become One. This Global Warming/Climate Change agreement signed by all nations is just that. It is a disguise for Global Governance.
So Americans have swallowed this pill whether they like it or not. We will be the last to go_ kicking and fighting. But no worries, God is Sovereign. It was all prophesied. Or do you think this is out of His control? We are going down. The Four Horseman are out of the stable. Buckle up!
Do you think the Left/World Elites in charge will allow Republicans to regain Congress? 70% of America is dissatisfied with what Biden is doing with the economy, the border, Ukraine, etc. So if there was a fair election, Republicans would rack up and regain Congress, making Biden a lame duck president - he is already feable and lame. I suspect that something serious will happen in this country before November to cause such havoc as to corrupt the election AGAIN. War, EMP and blame it on the Russians, World Famine, a financial collapse and any one of them leading to Martial Law. Of course, with these Dominion computers, it is just a matter of pushing buttons, right? And then they have vote harvesting. But this time it won't be about a half dozen states, it will happen to the whole country or planet.
 
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Nothing will stop the NWO....its pointless trying to rescue what is doomed. It is Bible prophesy undergoing fulfillment. Its a global event ....not national but international. There are only two sides in this final showdown, and by our own choices and conduct we show if we are for God's Kingdom or man's kingdoms under satan. Trying to prop up what is left of the devil's world will be pointless. (1 John 5:19)
There is no such thing as a "Christian" nation, so "Christian nationalism" has no credibility, since Christianity is what you do....not what you say.

If a nation was to obey Christ, it would be finding ways to make peace, not war. (Matthew 5:5) He also told us to be "no part of the world" which includes its politics. (John 18:36; John 15:18-21)
Jesus said to "love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you"....(Matthew 5:43-48) How can you do that with weapons?

It is one thing to call yourself a Christian, but another thing entirely to break God's law on the sanctity of human life and support your government in unsanctioned bloodshed. When his chosen nation did that, God let their enemies defeat them and refused to hear their prayers. (Isaiah 1:15)

For those who think that there is such a thing as "just war", think again. God will not bless any nation who breaks his laws.
Only those found "doing the will of the Father" will be saved. (Matthew 7:21-23) Their excuses will fall on deaf ears.

Peter told us what to expect....
"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace."
(2 Peter 3:9-14 ESV)

So in what condition will we be found?
 
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Nothing will stop the NWO....its pointless trying to rescue what is doomed. It is Bible prophesy undergoing fulfillment. Its a global event ....not national but international. There are only two sides in this final showdown, and by our own choices and conduct we show if we are for God's Kingdom or man's kingdoms under satan. Trying to prop up what is left of the devil's world will be pointless. (1 John 5:19)
There is no such thing as a "Christian" nation, so "Christian nationalism" has no credibility, since Christianity is what you do....not what you say.

If a nation was to obey Christ, it would be finding ways to make peace, not war. (Matthew 5:5) He also told us to be "no part of the world" which includes its politics. (John 18:36; John 15:18-21)
Jesus said to "love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you"....(Matthew 5:43-48) How can you do that with weapons?

It is one thing to call yourself a Christian, but another thing entirely to break God's law on the sanctity of human life and support your government in unsanctioned bloodshed. When his chosen nation did that, God let their enemies defeat them and refused to hear their prayers. (Isaiah 1:15)

For those who think that there is such a thing as "just war", think again. God will not bless any nation who breaks his laws.
Only those found "doing the will of the Father" will be saved. (Matthew 7:21-23) Their excuses will fall on deaf ears.

Peter told us what to expect....
"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace."
(2 Peter 3:9-14 ESV)

So in what condition will we be found?
Aunty Jane, remember a commie Government is in charge of our country at the moment, we have no business getting involved in the Ukrainian war, or any other war unless it threatens our security as 9/11 did.
 

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Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity and that the government must act to keep it that way. The New World Order is an emerging world government that will eventually take over. What will America choose?

America’s Choice: A Christian Nation or Part of the New World Order?

That belief is not a valid option anymore (and anyone who holds to it is sorely deluded). The United States has not been a Christian nation for some time now (if it ever really was, though Christian influence in it was very strong at points in its history). I agree with the other posts on here which opine that God is judging this country--the move away from Biblical Christianity is his judgment on the church in this nation for giving place to the devil: attempting to conform herself to the world and not to her Lord.

We can not know how far God's judgment will go, how long he will stretch his hand out upon this nation in judgment. It deserves a thorough thrashing (as every single one of us does), but I pray that the Lord will be merciful to us, to have mercy on his remnant that remain here who cry out to God for mercy on our weak frames which the Lord knows to be but dust.
 

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America needs revival & to repent & turn back to God before it's too late
Amen! The alternative to revival and America turning back to God is instead to be transformed into a God-less, borderless, marxist, socialist, disarmed, Sodom and Gomorrah America under Satan. America is at a crossroad and time is running out! The battle for the very heart and soul of America continues. The struggle is real!
 

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That belief is not a valid option anymore (and anyone who holds to it is sorely deluded). The United States has not been a Christian nation for some time now (if it ever really was, though Christian influence in it was very strong at points in its history). I agree with the other posts on here which opine that God is judging this country--the move away from Biblical Christianity is his judgment on the church in this nation for giving place to the devil: attempting to conform herself to the world and not to her Lord.

We can not know how far God's judgment will go, how long he will stretch his hand out upon this nation in judgment. It deserves a thorough thrashing (as every single one of us does), but I pray that the Lord will be merciful to us, to have mercy on his remnant that remain here who cry out to God for mercy on our weak frames which the Lord knows to be but dust.
When GOD sent jonah to ninevah .................
The message was Repent or else . WELL that message needs to be the one sounded out now .
The evangelicals thought the wooden yoke of the one world order would be broken by the arm of Trump . YEAH right it never slowed down a bit .
THE IRON YOKE COMETH cause the nations refuse repentance and worse , and believe me this is much worse
the churches have long conformed to the world ,selling out more and more for protection of govt .
Fear of being persecuted . Or desiring to have the easy life and lots of money or whatever the case was .
The reason we see this is cause they refuse repentance and rather have run all out to govt , whether liberal or conservative
to save them and make their life easier . Last time i checked JESUS warned us YE shall have tribulations
WE should not fear what man can do . Our duty is one thing . POINT TO CHRIST , WIN souls , build up the church with biblical truth .
ALl this other stuff of a christain state or whatever NEVER EXISTED in the early church . IT was all about
the heavenly KINGDOM , winning of souls and the hope of the promise of the RETURN of Christ . WE need
an about face from all this other stuff and an all out return to HOPE THOU IN GOD and not man .
 

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That belief is not a valid option anymore (and anyone who holds to it is sorely deluded). The United States has not been a Christian nation for some time now (if it ever really was, though Christian influence in it was very strong at points in its history). I agree with the other posts on here which opine that God is judging this country--the move away from Biblical Christianity is his judgment on the church in this nation for giving place to the devil: attempting to conform herself to the world and not to her Lord.

We can not know how far God's judgment will go, how long he will stretch his hand out upon this nation in judgment. It deserves a thorough thrashing (as every single one of us does), but I pray that the Lord will be merciful to us, to have mercy on his remnant that remain here who cry out to God for mercy on our weak frames which the Lord knows to be but dust.
the move away from Biblical Christianity is his judgment on the church BINGO my friend . That is what this is all about .
NOTICE GOD says , IF MY PEOPLE who are called by MY name would REPENT . CHURCHES its time to REPENT and preach CHRIST
and all bible doctrine .
 
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Aunty Jane, remember a commie Government is in charge of our country at the moment, we have no business getting involved in the Ukrainian war, or any other war unless it threatens our security as 9/11 did.
My dear friend, please remember that in a world controlled by God's enemy there are no "good guys" and nothing is as it seems....they are all controlled by satan, just operating under different banners. (1 John 5:19) If we have been fooled into taking sides, then "more fool us".

Human Governments rule by God's permission because without them, the world would be in a much worse state than it already is, whilst Jesus separates the "sheep" from the "goats" and has his message of the Kingdom preached in all the world. (Matthew 24:14) These rulers have his permission but not his sanction because all of them are controlled by the devil. The uniform might be different but they are all dictated to by the same commander who loves violence and discord and immorality. How many of the world's leaders have been exposed for their immoral conduct? Did it matter what banner they claimed to rule under? How many deaths do they have on their conscience when war was declared over pure political greed and national pride? Does God sanction any of that? Christ's teachings tell us that he doesn't. (Matthew 5:43-44)

What do you really know about 9/11? The truth will all come out one day because God assures us that all the corruption will be exposed before he brings the curtain down on the whole disgusting system. Where will we find ourselves? If Jesus told us to be "NO PART OF THE WORLD"...what part of "NO" do we not understand?

"Let go and let God"
.....he has it all sorted and needs no help from any human to bring it all to a successful conclusion. It is all happening to fulfill prophesy, and nothing anyone does will stop what is inevitable.

Do you know the story of the man who tried to save the Ark of the Covenant when King David was transporting it in an unauthorized way?
It was stated in God's Law that no man was to touch the ark or he would die. The wagon upon which the ark was being transported began to tip over and the man rushed in to save it from falling......did God reward him for what appeared to be his heroic actions? NO! the man died because he thought God could not take care of his own property. (2 Samuel 6:3-8) So breaking God's law, even if we have good intent is basically saying 'I have to do God's work for him'.....do you see that supporting governments...any governments, is not following the teachings of the Christ whom I know you love....so how do we prove our love for Jehovah and his son? By obeying them even when it seems like its the wrong thing to do...or that 'doing nothing' seems out of order. Obeying Jehovah is NEVER the wrong thing to do, no matter what any human may tell us to the contrary....or whatever 'feelings' may be driving us....satan will exploit our weaknesses.

The devil invented propaganda.....he knows how to manipulate emotions....because it gets the masses on board with his agenda. He knows what awaits him....but is going to take as many humans and angels as he can deceive, down into oblivion with him.....we need not be among them. :(
 
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God Bless America!

This country was built on the foundation of a Republic. A Republic is not a Democracy, no matter how many times they spew that lie.

This country doesn't have a monarchy where the Elite rule and the peasant get to eat cake.
This country was formed for the people and by the people.
We choose people to go to congress to represent our state and the constiuents that reside in that state.
You don't like your representative, fire them.
Our President is elected by the people and for the people, to represent us in the world around us.
He is our spokeperson, our Ambassador to protect our country from foreign invasion and protect trade rights.
In the beginning, it was required for congress to meet in DC a minimum of one day a year to keep the union, unified.
Everything was determined by each State individually within it's borders by it's citizens.

And then the beast began to grow. Government began giving itself authority over the people.
Trade deals were made internationally without the people's consent.
Laws were enacted according to majority rule over all National referendums.
The states became enslaved to the government it created.

There is a big difference between a Republic and a Democracy.
But over the years these two concepts have been blended. And what is happening today is Democracy is trying to push the Republic out.

In a republic, an official set of fundamental laws, like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, prohibits the government from limiting or taking away certain “inalienable” rights of the people, even if that government was freely chosen by a majority of the people.

In a pure democracy, the voting majority has almost limitless power over the minority.

The United States, like most modern nations, is neither a pure republic nor a pure democracy. Instead, it is a hybrid democratic republic.

The main difference between a democracy and a republic is the extent to which the people control the process of making laws under each form of government.
Republic vs. Democracy: What Is the Difference?

In a Republic both the Majority and Minority have a right to debate, amend, and have a voice in the decision making process.
In a Democracy only the Majority rules.

And as if that isn't enough to cause division, now we have globalist interest dictating our Nations policies right down to the State levels.

We need to remove the globalist interests.
We need to have free and fair and secure elections for the "citizens" of each State in the Union.
We need to make sure that our elected officials speak for the State they represent and are willing to work in a bi-partisan fashion.
Frankly, there shouldn't be "parties" in my opinion. We are ALL Americans.
We don't all fall perfectly under one banner.

This country was founded for the very purpose of freedom of religion and how one observes it.
We left a government that was tyranical in both civics and religious tolerances.
Both the State and the Church were co-equal branches under British rule.
They were able to decide how you would believe or be Anathema, excluded from the church.

Our country was founded on the seperation of church and state, meaning no establishment would be formed in our government regarding religious observances. In other words, To each his own.
Blue Laws were enacted in many states making it illegal to do business on Sundays. We don't have those anymore.
But many companies are now encouraged to work 7 days a week or 5, having the free choice to operate or not.
Many people who chose not to work for religious preferance, whether Sabbath Saturday or Christian Sundays were criticised for not working and often lost their jobs. This is discimination and should not be allowed.
No one should have the authority or power over your own religious beliefs, unless it causes physical harm to others, or constrains people from walking away if they choose.

In this country people are free to choose where they live, what kind of job they want to do, how to spend their earnings, whether they want to take advantage of all Amendents in the Constitution including the 2nd.
Freedom of the press should be without bias, without propaganda, searching for the truth to keep the citizens fully informed whether good or bad which way the country as a whole is moving, and also for it's local happenings.
The media and news corporations have been taken over by big corporations and special interests to sway the public in whichever way it chooses to move public opinion. This needs to end.

This country was founded at it's core on Judeao/Christian beliefs.
Killing is wrong, stealing is wrong, cheating on ones spouse is wrong, respecting your parents and neighbors.
The Ten Commandments stood at the foot of most Court Houses.
Justice was blind to favoritism. You did the crime, you did the time.

But as in all nations, slowly but surely greed and power and manipulations take over.
We need to get back to the foundation and begin again.

“Preamble” of the Declaration of Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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My dear friend, please remember that in a world controlled by God's enemy there are no "good guys" and nothing is as it seems....they are all controlled by satan, just operating under different banners. (1 John 5:19) If we have been fooled into taking sides, then "more fool us".

Human Governments rule by God's permission because without them, the world would be in a much worse state than it already is, whilst Jesus separates the "sheep" from the "goats" and has his message of the Kingdom preached in all the world. (Matthew 24:14) These rulers have his permission but not his sanction because all of them are controlled by the devil. The uniform might be different but they are all dictated to by the same commander who loves violence and discord and immorality. How many of the world's leaders have been exposed for their immoral conduct? Did it matter what banner they claimed to rule under? How many deaths do they have on their conscience when war was declared over pure political greed and national pride? Does God sanction any of that? Christ's teachings tell us that he doesn't. (Matthew 5:43-44)

What do you really know about 9/11? The truth will all come out one day because God assures us that all the corruption will be exposed before he brings the curtain down on the whole disgusting system. Where will we find ourselves? If Jesus told us to be "NO PART OF THE WORLD"...what part of "NO" do we not understand?

"Let go and let God"
.....he has it all sorted and needs no help from any human to bring it all to a successful conclusion. It is all happening to fulfill prophesy, and nothing anyone does will stop what is inevitable.

Do you know the story of the man who tried to save the Ark of the Covenant when King David was transporting it in an unauthorized way?
It was stated in God's Law that no man was to touch the ark or he would die. The wagon upon which the ark was being transported began to tip over and the man rushed in to save it from falling......did God reward him for what appear to be his heroic actions? NO! the man died because he thought God could not take care of his own property. (2 Samuel 6:3-8) So breaking God's law, even if we have good intent is basically saying 'I have to do God's work for him'.....do you see that supporting governments...any governments, is not following the teachings of the Christ whom I know you love....so how do we prove our love for Jehovah and his son? By obeying them even when it seems like its the wrong thing to do...or that 'doing nothing' seems out of order. Obeying Jehovah is NEVER the wrong thing to do, no matter what any human may tell us to the contrary....or whatever 'feelings' may be driving us....satan will exploit our weaknesses.

The devil invented propaganda.....he knows how to manipulate emotions....because it gets the masses on board with his agenda. He knows what awaits him....but is going to take as many humans and angels as he can deceive, down into oblivion with him.....we need not be among them. :(
So if we are attacked as we were on 9/11, just let it happen and stand back and watch while the enemy destroys us?
 

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So if we are attacked as we were on 9/11, just let it happen and stand back and watch while the enemy destroys us?
Perhaps if you knew the circumstances surrounding the 9/11 attacks, you might not be asking those questions. The enemy within is way more dangerous than the enemy without.

Unfortunately, people forget how the first Christians reacted when people began to persecute and attack them. They did not retaliate, nor did they moan and complain about being victimized....being a Christian meant that you would be hated because you behaved like Jesus....

John 15:18-21...Jesus' words....
"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you. 20 Keep in mind the word I said to you: A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have observed my word, they will also observe yours. 21 But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know the One who sent me."

We have one job in this world and that is to expose it for what it is....a chaotic mess ruled by the devil, (1 John 5:19) and to point people to God's Kingdom as their only hope. Either Jehovah God is in complete control...or he isn't. Which is it?
Does God need us to fix what only his Kingdom can rectify? Think back to the man who wanted to save the ark by breaking God's law.

The apostle Paul wrote...
"However, keep remembering the former days in which, after you were enlightened, you endured a great struggle along with sufferings. 33 At times you were publicly exposed both to reproaches and to tribulations, and at times you shared with those who were having such an experience. 34 For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession."

Some of our brotherhood have been experiencing these things for many years. They endure patiently, waiting on Jehovah to fix what they cannot...(Matthew 24:13)...even with the best of intentions, we cannot interfere with the outworking of Jehovah's purpose.
 
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