That is denying God's Word as written about Satan's destruction upon the earth. I'll bet you don't even know the Scripture where that destruction is written,
Rev 20:10,
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This after the Millennium, which is after the beast and false prophet are already cast into the lake of fire. That is when Satan is finally destroyed with them.
Until then, we cannot see him the destroyer on earth today, nor tomorrow, because he is now the spirit and god of this world, which cannot be seen with natural eyes.
I explained that previously, and even showed how YOU LEFT OUT THE 2 PETER 2:5 verse which identifies those specific angels being those "sons of God" in Noah's day that took flesh wives of men and produced a hybrid giant race. It was that... act... which is what the 'kept not their first estate', but left their own habitation' idea in Jude 6 is about! That further proves what I've been saying, that the angels that are in chains kept until the Judgement is ONLY about those of Genesis 6 that came to earth and took wives of flesh men in Noah's day!
Now this is a sensible reasoning, but with a wrong conclusion.
Only the angels that sinned are now kept in chains. And that sinning was sons of God not keeping their first estate, by taking daughters of men for wives.
If you can show other angels that sinned, and
are not now kept in chains, then I'd be glad to see it. Otherwise, all we have left is Satan still walking about as a roaring lion.
Rev 12 shows him casting his followers to the ground
with his tail, not by leading the way. Satan himself does not qualify as an angel that sinned by mating with a woman, which is the reason they are chained in hell for leaving their first estate.
Satan stayed in heaven, and used his leadership tail to cast them down to earth.
And this is where we get a third of the angels sinned for the devil. And here it shows they all sinned at once together, because they were all cast to the ground by his tail.
Once again, if there is any angel that sinned, and is not in hell, then show it. So far, all we have is Lucifer. He led them into it
from heaven.
He
pushed them into it, as with a tail sweeping them from behind.
Now how much brain power does it take to then figure out those angels doing that in Noah's day means Satan had already rebelled long before the time of Noah and those angels taking wives of flesh woman.
Certainly true. But we are speaking of
when Satan himself is cast down, not when iniquity was found in him.
In Rev 12, we see:
The tail of Satan casting the angels to the ground to mate with women.
Then we see the birth of the manchild and ascension of Christ, that Satan could not prevent.
Then we see a war in heaven, where he and his angels are all cast down, Satan to earth, and the angels to hell.
Rev 12 is only specific with Satan cast to the earth, not the angels. He already had cast the angels to the ground, before the birth of Christ, in the days of Noah.
He is now cast to the ground and the roaring lion with great wrath on earth now, with no more place in heaven, where Christ sits. Peter shows at this time the angels are now cast down into chains of hell.
Satan will be cast down with them for a thousand years after Christ's second coming, and finally himself be cast into the LOF, where the beast and the false prophet are waiting for him.
And NOTHING is written for that time of Noah's day about Satan being cast down to the earth with his angels!
No, the time difference between his tail casting his angels down, and himself being cast down is not known specifically.
But since we see the birth of the man-child, that also ascends to heaven between the two, then we can safely say he warred and was cast down to earth after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Which makes perfect since in the doctrine of Christ, that he is now a roaring lion on earth, and his angels are now held in chains of darkness in hell.
Jesus wasn't telling a lie, He did see Satan as lightning fall from heaven, back in the OLD WORLD WHEN SATAN FIRST REBELLED IN WANTING TO BE GOD.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus as the Word made flesh could rightly say, that He saw Satan cast down,
before the time of being cast down.
The Word with God saw Satan being cast down, and so foreknew when he would be. The Word Jesus said rightly He saw Satan cast down. He did not at that time say when.
All prophecy of Scripture is simply Christ revealing all things coming to pass,
before coming to pass, because He has already seen all such things from the beginning.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
As of Isaiah 14, Lucifer is still
only prophesied to be cast down to hell.
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up,
Rev 20 plainly shows, that will not be until His coming again, when he will be cast into hell's prison with his sinning angels.
By the time Satan shows up in the Garden of Eden as "that old serpent", he had already rebelled and had fallen, and was in his role as the tempter,
This is of course personal doctrine inserted into Scripture.
Since Satan was able to walk up and down the earth, as well as appear in the assembly of angels in heaven, at the time of Job, then he certainly was able to do the same in the time of Adam.
working against God. But via parable in Ezekiel 28, God showed that He originally created Satan perfect in his ways, and that Satan originally followed God.
True. As did Adam. How long afterward they conceived lust against God in their hearts, is not specifically known. We can likely say Adam already had lust in his heart, when he did not guard the garden as commanded against the serpent entering in.
So WHEN WAS THAT 'before'... Satan rebelled? It certainly was NOT... during the time of Adam and Eve, but long before that, before sin and before the concept of death, before this present world!
It certainly was before sin entered into heaven, since Lucifer first sinned of all God's creatures. And it would also be before tempting Eve to sin.
But before this present world, is of course falsely inserted:
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
This is proof, that
all the angels were shouting for joy at the creation of this heaven and earth. None of them were in rebellion before this present world is created.
You're doctrine is, once again, false in detail.
However, once again, the debate is not about
when Lucifer sinned, but when Lucifer is cast down to the earth, and when he will be cast down into hell, and then finally when he will be cast into the LOF, where the beast and the false prophet are waiting for him.
