An Angel Before Us...literally before us

[whirlwind]

I quoted the following passage within an OP a few days ago. I wanted to bring it forward to stand on it's own for I find it to be such a strong and inspiring message.


Exodus 23:20-23 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. For Mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.


We are to obey the voice of the angel, the voice that tells us what the Lord speaks. That brings to mind....

John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify Me: for he shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.​

From that, I believe that the Angel He sends before us is the same "spirit of truth" spoken of in the John verses.


In the above Exodus passage God was speaking to Moses but it is also written for us, to us...He sends an Angel before us to keep us in the way, to bring us to the place which He prepared for us.

Isn't that amazing and wonderful?​

If we are His elect His angel directs our paths...takes us into the battle to face our enemies. I was faced with that last month when, for some reason, I ended up on a forum with strident preterist. I fought, using His word, until I was banned. Not because of angry words but words they were unable to answer....


His promise of the angel going before us carries responsibilities, which are listed in the chapter. If we follow them He promises....


Exodus 23:25-27 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and He shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee. There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil. I will send My fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.


He guides us to face our enemies and hear His words, use His words to defeat our enemies. We follow as we are guided, we use His Words as we are guided and.....He defeats them!


Are we aware of the angel? Are we, at times, given a glimpse, a feeling, a sign of being guided? A recognition of his protection?

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In the above Exodus passage God was speaking to Moses but it is also written for us, to us...He sends an Angel before us to keep us in the way, to bring us to the place which He prepared for us.

Isn't that amazing and wonderful?​

No, it isn't. That's a stretch, brother.

You do not have God's authority to make that statement or assume such a promise.

One of the problems with Biblical interpretation is 'reading into the verse' those conclusions, promises, and hopes for us that God made for someone else, in this case Moses.

Unless you can quote a specific CONTEXT, not just a single verse, which promises this same angel and its duty toward individuals, I seriously doubt your interpretation.

Don't get me wrong. It's a great passage of scripture and acutely demonstrates the intent of God and how He deploys it in this instance.

Verses like this have been used to extrapolate the ideology that angels have been assigned as guardians to each of us. While I can give you personal testimony that such has been the case with me, I cannot quote chapters and verses here to justify it. However, the angel that was assigned to Moses had a significantly different role in the life of the man and the people he led.

It is indeed amazing and wonderful, but it isn't for us.....not that one anyway.

 

[whirlwind]

No, it isn't. That's a stretch, brother.

You do not have God's authority to make that statement or assume such a promise.

He made the statement. He made the promise. I know who I am, I know who goes before me...do you? :mellow:

One of the problems with Biblical interpretation is 'reading into the verse' those conclusions, promises, and hopes for us that God made for someone else, in this case Moses.

Unless you can quote a specific CONTEXT, not just a single verse, which promises this same angel and its duty toward individuals, I seriously doubt your interpretation.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of My Father which is in heaven.


11 Kings 6:15-18 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.​

Don't get me wrong. It's a great passage of scripture and acutely demonstrates the intent of God and how He deploys it in this instance.

Verses like this have been used to extrapolate the ideology that angels have been assigned as guardians to each of us. While I can give you personal testimony that such has been the case with me, I cannot quote chapters and verses here to justify it. However, the angel that was assigned to Moses had a significantly different role in the life of the man and the people he led.

It is indeed amazing and wonderful, but it isn't for us.....not that one anyway.

I too can give personal testimony so I again say....isn't it amazing and wonderful?


Moses is a "man child." He is an example of the man children of end times. They too are chosen to lead people out of Egypt.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.​

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[jiggyfly]

I wouldn't necessarily say the angel in Exodus and the HolySpirit are one and the same but it is a very wonderful truth that Father always sends us a helper.

 

[goodshepard55]

I wouldn't necessarily say the angel in Exodus and the HolySpirit are one and the same but it is a very wonderful truth that Father always sends us a helper.

I agree with that statement jiggyfly.....I do believe in the Word and if it says angel..it means angel..If it says Holy Spirit it means Holy Spirit....Angels are in our mist....ask a child if they see angels and most of the time the answer is YES..we need to stop telling our children there is no such thing....The Word has not changed and if angels walked the earth in the latter days..they walk the earth today...Jacob's Ladder still works...We have changed our way of thinking thanks to religious perversion...We need to go back to the Masterpiece of the Word and stop accepting a copy of His Word...copy the Master, accept no forgery...Get in the Word and let the Holy Spirit teach us the Truth..

Love you guys and gals....Holy Spirit fall in this place...bring your presence upon us and guide us to the Truth and cleanse our minds of the forgeries that have been taught to us through stretching the Truth to teach religious doctrine...Amen and Amen

It is kinda like the Pharisees in the Lord's day....they added things to make it a religion and perverted the Truth of what God gave Moses....Lets get back to the Masterpiece.....

 

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He made the statement. He made the promise. I know who I am, I know who goes before me...do you? :mellow:

The statement and the promise were made to Moses. Can you read?

I do indeed know who goes before me and I know that it is He that leads me, not the other way round.

As I said before, there is a danger in extrapolating Bible verses into a general context for all.
Unless it specifically states a thing, then one is required to interpret the passage to say what it means and mean what it says.

Man has limited authority in the Kingdom of God. Too many men falsely assume authority that is not granted to them.
It is a caution I have observed and learned over the years.

We are to follow God, not determine His course.

I am here expressing caution with regard to interpretation of scripture.
It is the truth we seek, not some sort of independent papal announcement.

That is the problem with too many these days. They get over excited about some epiphany and become a little pope.
Too many little popes for my liking.

Caution, brother. That's all I'm saying and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[whirlwind]

The statement and the promise were made to Moses. Can you read?

Yes, I can read. And, I read with understanding.

I do indeed know who goes before me and I know that it is He that leads me, not the other way round.

And do you think I believe a man leads God? If not, why would you write that?

As I said before, there is a danger in extrapolating Bible verses into a general context for all.
Unless it specifically states a thing, then one is required to interpret the passage to say what it means and mean what it says.

What I write isn't "for all." Those that are to hear will hear. Some only see the letter while others see the spirit of the written word.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.​

Man has limited authority in the Kingdom of God. Too many men falsely assume authority that is not granted to them.
It is a caution I have observed and learned over the years.

We are to follow God, not determine His course.

I am here expressing caution with regard to interpretation of scripture.
It is the truth we seek, not some sort of independent papal announcement.

That is the problem with too many these days. They get over excited about some epiphany and become a little pope.
Too many little popes for my liking.

Caution, brother. That's all I'm saying and there is nothing wrong with that.

Say whatever you wish...for I say what I am led to say...nothing wrong with that. :)



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Say whatever you wish...for I say what I am led to say...nothing wrong with that. :)

Nothing wrong with that? "That" depends upon many things.

When a man says he is led by an angel to do things, there ought to be a caution flag raised.

Mohammad was such a man and his leading has resulted in much trouble.
Same for Joseph Smith.

BE CAREFUL !

Scripture WARNS us and COMMANDS us to judge, question and test the spirits.
That is EXACTLY what I am doing and what YOU should also do.

That you have a leading I have no doubt. What it is that is leading you ought to be examined.
Don't swallow the hook before you have a hard look at the bait.

Angels are primarily messengers. Leading is primarily up to the Holy Spirit.

Note that I said 'primarily'. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but I am saying that such things are rare.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
If you are firmly resolved to follow whatever spirit that pops into your life, that's up to you.
It's your neck, man.

You have been warned.

 

[whirlwind]

Nothing wrong with that? "That" depends upon many things.

When a man says he is led by an angel to do things, there ought to be a caution flag raised.

Mohammad was such a man and his leading has resulted in much trouble.
Same for Joseph Smith.

BE CAREFUL !

Scripture WARNS us and COMMANDS us to judge, question and test the spirits.
That is EXACTLY what I am doing and what YOU should also do.

That you have a leading I have no doubt. What it is that is leading you ought to be examined.
Don't swallow the hook before you have a hard look at the bait.

Angels are primarily messengers. Leading is primarily up to the Holy Spirit.

Note that I said 'primarily'. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but I am saying that such things are rare.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
If you are firmly resolved to follow whatever spirit that pops into your life, that's up to you.
It's your neck, man.

You have been warned.

What am I being "warned" of? Am I deceiving? Am I blaspheming?

Before you feel it necessary to chastize a child of God you should stand on firmer ground.



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