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theefaith

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There was no reformation of the church, acts 9:4 only rebellion against Christ and his one true church founded on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 and 18:18 Jn 2:21-23 eph 2:20

Faith and baptism required for the new covenant Mk 16:16 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 ez 36:25-27 1 pet 3:20-21

unlike the control freaks at reformation month all are welcome here, it’s all good, any biblical insight is welcome!

where does the Bible say to have a reformation? Or a revival? Or Sunday school?

you’re free to ask anything
 

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where does the Bible say to have a reformation? Or a revival?...

"The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." Heb 9:8-10

"... go and sin more." John 8:11
 

Ferris Bueller

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Or Sunday school?
Church IS Sunday School.
I mean, it's supposed to be:

"26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church.27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two, or at most three, should speak in turn, and someone must interpret. 28But if there is no interpreter, he should remain silent in the church and speak only to himself and God.29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is seated, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 1 Corinthians 14:26-31

Even us Protesters don't know this very well!

Once you attend a church run like Paul says to conduct a meeting of the saints you will not go back to the way church is done now.
 

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"The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." Heb 9:8-10

"... go and sin more." John 8:11
Ah, I see you know! Very good!
 
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Sorry I meant the New Testament
"For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will." John 5:21

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you" Rom 8:11

Consider then carefully what that word, "quicken" [or "quickeneth"] means:

zw/opoievw Zoopoieo (dzo-op-oy-eh'-o);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 2227

  1. to produce alive, begat or bear living young
  2. to cause to live, make alive, give life
    1. by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate
    2. to restore to life
    3. to give increase of life: thus of physical life
    4. of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
  3. metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing
In others words, to revive!
 
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theefaith

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Church IS Sunday School.
I mean, it's supposed to be:

"26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church.27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two, or at most three, should speak in turn, and someone must interpret. 28But if there is no interpreter, he should remain silent in the church and speak only to himself and God.29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is seated, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 1 Corinthians 14:26-31

Even us Protesters don't know this very well!

Once you attend a church run like Paul says to conduct a meeting of the saints you will not go back to the way church is done now.

that’s reasonable
Instructed Lk 1:4
 

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LOL @ anti reformers. Thats hilarious.

Westminster Confessions of 1647 chapter 25, section 6. “
Section 6.) There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.(1) Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; (but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God.(2)
(1) Col 1:18; Eph 1:22 (2) Mt 23:8-10; 2Th 2:3,4,8,9; Rev 13:6
 

theefaith

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LOL @ anti reformers. Thats hilarious.

Westminster Confessions of 1647 chapter 25, section 6. “
Section 6.) There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.(1) Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; (but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God.(2)
(1) Col 1:18; Eph 1:22 (2) Mt 23:8-10; 2Th 2:3,4,8,9; Rev 13:6

Peter is already administering the kingdom

Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as mediator

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!

Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!

Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter

It’s Christ who does this

Why is the name of peter even mentioned?

Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom?

How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22 jurisdictional authority of the keys and called father
Matt 28:19 go teach baptize
Jn 20:21-23 same mission power and authority as christ
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 successors of Moses have the jurisdictional authority and the power to bind and loose which Christ says must be obeyed, then taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles and their successors

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.



Applies only to Peter as “prince of the apostles”!

Peter and his successors are the Leader of the apostles and the head of the church until Christ returns!

Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!

Peter is head of the church!

Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

Peter exercises his authority over the apostles and the church!

Acts 1:15
Acts 3:4
Acts 5:5 5:10
Acts 15:7

ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18

Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22

Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
Matt 28:19-20

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

4 important questions:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?

Explain Jn 20:21 Peter and the apostles and their successors have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! “As the father sent me, so I send you”!

Matt 28:19 christ communicates his authority to peter and the apostles to teach all nations, baptize all disciples!
Jn 20:21-23 apostles even have authority to forgive sins
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 the authority and power of the successors of Moses required to be obeyed are taken from them and given to Peter and the apostles

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:
 

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Socialism / naturalism is the fruit of the reformation! As well as modern atheism: reason apart from revealed Divine faith!
And
Fundamentalism: faith apart from reason!

These are the modern errors and the fruits of the so called reformation!

All of these are rebelling against Christ and his church, and against family, society, and civil government!
And again all proper authority!

The reformation is only an extension of Satan’s rebellion against God, Christ and His holy church!

The so called reformation is an evil tree putting forth Posionous fruit!

Doctrines of devils leading to rebellion against all Divinely revealed authority!

Protestant rebellion against the divinely instituted authority of the church!
Fundamentalist rebellion against reason!
Atheist rebellion against faith!
Socialism rebellion against marrige, and family, the fabric of society!
Communism rebellion against the divinely instituted authority of civil government, God given rights, and private property!

All the bitter fruits of the so called reformation! Better known as the great rebellion!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Lk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Mary brought forth the good fruit of salvation!

QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON SOCIALISM

(Caused by the reformation)

The boldness of these bad men, which day by day more and more threatens civil society with destruction, and strikes the souls of all with anxiety and fear, finds its cause and origin in those poisonous doctrines which, spread abroad in former times among the people, like evil seed bore in due time such fatal fruit. For you know, venerable brethren, that that most deadly war which from the sixteenth century down has been waged by innovators against the Catholic faith, and which has grown in intensity up to today, had for its object to subvert all revelation, and overthrow the supernatural order, that thus the way might be opened for the discoveries, or rather the hallucinations, of reason alone.
 

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There was no reformation of the church, acts 9:4 only rebellion against Christ and his one true church founded on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 and 18:18 Jn 2:21-23 eph 2:20

Faith and baptism required for the new covenant Mk 16:16 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 ez 36:25-27 1 pet 3:20-21

unlike the control freaks at reformation month all are welcome here, it’s all good, any biblical insight is welcome!

where does the Bible say to have a reformation? Or a revival? Or Sunday school?

you’re free to ask anything
The Reformation was to get away from the godless popes of the Catholic church who left biblical teaching for their own religion long ago.
 
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There was no reformation of the church, acts 9:4 only rebellion against Christ and his one true church founded on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 and 18:18 Jn 2:21-23 eph 2:20

Faith and baptism required for the new covenant Mk 16:16 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 ez 36:25-27 1 pet 3:20-21

unlike the control freaks at reformation month all are welcome here, it’s all good, any biblical insight is welcome!

where does the Bible say to have a reformation? Or a revival? Or Sunday school?

you’re free to ask anything
Why does it take the anti-reformers a month to do what the reformers did in a night?
 

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Hebrews 9:10

Not many people realize the reformation occurred 2000 years ago.


Luther rescued the Lost Message Of Paul —- Justification by Faith Alone

It needs to be Rescued again....Thank God for God’s Gifts—-Wise Teachers that correctly “ Divide” the Word Of God....

The Bible can be a very dangerous Book....Some read it and come out thinking they are Saved by “ Lucky Repentance” or by the way that they live.....They give “ Lip-Service” to the Blood Of Christ but they don’t understand it —- they will regret it someday...
 
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Luther rescued the Lost Message Of Paul —- Justification by Faith Alone
'Faith alone' was James' teaching, not Paul's.
James' said a man is justified by, both, faith and works, and is not justified by 'faith alone':

"As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone." James 2:24
Obviously, that's a very different argument than what Paul was talking about. So quit using James' argument to describe Paul's argument. They are not the same. What you are referring to in regard to Luther's Reformation is Paul's "righteousness apart from works" argument:

"...to whom God credits righteousness apart from works" Romans 4:6

I wish you and a lot of other Christians would start making the distinction between the two arguments and start referring to Paul's argument correctly. It's "righteousness apart from works", not "faith alone". And, more than that, I wish you and a lot of other Christians would understand the difference between the two. A man is justified (made righteous) apart from the merit of works. But no man will be saved who has no works because a man's works justify him (show him to be righteous). The man who can not show by his works that he is righteous in Christ is not born again and has not been made righteous through faith in Christ apart from works (1 John 3:9-10).
 
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'I've not come to save the righteous but sinners'...Jesus. I s'pose the righteous don't need reformation....they've always been right.
 
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