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Antichrist Study

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  1. Christina

    Christina New Member

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    AntichristThis lesson will focus on the antichrist and what he will be doing when he is kicked out of heaven. I know many believe by the time the antichrist comes, you have taken part in the rapture. If this is the case, then you may believe there is no need for you to study this information. This is what makes the rapture doctrine so dangerous. Let's just suppose for a moment you are wrong. You would be totally unprepared to deal with tribulation and the deception that shall come upon the whole world. We don't insist you believe as we do but I urge you to consider the information we have provided you on the rapture. God says in Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge" Make sure you are not one of those people. Consider this, not only are outsiders at odds with the rapture but those who believe this doctrine are at odds with each other. There are three different interpretations on when it will happen. This doctrine is not sound and for this reason it has caused all kinds of confusion. God is not the author of confusion 1 Cor. 14:33. To start I think it is important to examine the title "antichrist". As English speaking people, our first impression of the title would be that it is in opposition or against the Christ. This is not so in the Greek, from a prime root , 473 in the Greek dictionary of the Strong's Concordance. It is defined as instead of or in place of. We can determine from this research that the antichrist is not coming openly in opposition of Jesus but rather in the place of Jesus, playing that role. This is how he is able to deceive the whole world. Many who have been taught the rapture will think he is Jesus because of a lack of knowledge. Let's examine some of the names Satan has used over the years and what he is really after. Isaiah 14 12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. These verses show us what Satan's plan is. He wants to be God. This name Lucifer 1966 in the Hebrew Dictionary is defined as "the morning star". This name belongs to Jesus and Satan will imitate every detail we know about Jesus. Revelation 22:16 16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. We all know that Jesus is our Rock, that Rock on which Peter would build the church, that immovable Rock on which we can stand and not be moved. That same spiritual Rock our fathers drank from in the desert with Moses. Well in true form Satan uses this name also. Ezekiel 28:12-19 12) Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. The word Tyrus here, 6865 in the Hebrew dictionary, means "rock". In the following verses, you will see this can only be speaking of Satan. 13) Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14) Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Here you see Satan was made a beautiful and wise cherub. He was even given the position of guarding the mercy seat. In short, he had it all until iniquity was found in him. If you read verses 16-19, you will find that he fell because of his pride. He wanted to sit in the mercy seat rather than protect it. It just so happens this is were Christ sits. Satan wants to hold the position of Christ and he will get his chance to play Christ when he is thrown to the earth. He will be very convincing, he is very capable of fooling you if you are not prepared to deal with him. Unfortunately those who have been taught the rapture likely will be fooled. Now let's look at some of the methods Satan uses to deceive. 2 Corinthians Chapter 11 2) For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Notice Paul is very concerned here that the reader might be deceived. Why would Paul be so concerned about us being deceived, if we are to be taken in a rapture before the deceiver comes to the earth? Verse 4 makes this very clear. We have those here now who are teaching another Jesus. The rapture teaches you that Christ will come first. This is simply not true and it can easily be proven. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 1-4, clearly state we will not gather back until a falling away first and that man of sin, the son of perdition, is revealed. Now let's think back to Eve and what happened in the garden, Satan used God's own words to deceive Eve. He simply put his own little spin on them. Another place we can see this, is were Christ was tempted by Satan. This is a good test for anyone. Go to Matthew 4:6 and read what Satan said there. Can you see where he twisted the scriptures? Now go to Psalms 91:11-12. Satan knows the scriptures, we need to be ready. Let's read more about these false teachers Paul is warning us about. 13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Here we see Satan himself will appear as an angel of light, so don't be surprised if those who carry his message, appear to be "holy" men. Be careful, the deception has already begun. Who is our Light? We know that Jesus is our Light, are you beginning to see the parallels between the two? Mark 13:21-23 21) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23) But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. Here we are being warned directly from Christ about false christs and deception. Why would He go to all the trouble to warn us, if we wouldn't see these things happen. This does not exclusively address the time before the tribulation. These false christs will be showing signs and wonders. These are the supernatural beings you can read about in Revelation chapter 9. If you went to that chapter, notice their power is in their mouth in verse 19. You talk or in their case preach with your mouth. Revelation 13:11-14 11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. Notice this beast, which is the antichrist, looks like the lamb. Who is the lamb? Jesus is the Lamb slain, who cleanses us with His blood. He speaks as a dragon though, when he speaks, he speaks lies and deception. Over and over we have seen how Satan imitates Jesus. If you have been taught the rapture, these lies will be hard to separate from the truth. 12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13) And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Here we learn about the power and miracles that the antichrist can perform. He is coming to deceive and he will deceive many. Notice in verse 12, he caused those on the earth to worship the beast. He didn't make them. Verse 14 tells us he caused them to worship the beast through the miracles and deception. We have learned in this study, that the antichrist will not come in opposition to Christ but in the place of Christ. He will do everything within his power to make us believe he is. He is coming first, don't take my word for it, get in the bible and find out for yourself. We hope you enjoyed this study, please read all of our studies. God Bless! http://www.rapturerebuttal.com/antichrist.html
     
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    1 John 3:8 says he sinned from the beginning, and John 8:44 says he was a murder from the beginning. We also know from Isaiah 45:7 that God creates evil. Isaiah 45 is the great chapter on the sovereignty of God, and this is part of the proof God gives, showing that evil is not out of God's control. God does, of course, use evil for good purpose, for we know that to us all things work together for good. Hence, we are to give thanks to God in ALL things (1 Thess. 5:18), not just for the "good" things.Gen. 3:1...Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the fieldwhich the Lord God had made. (subtil=Strong's-Heb.-6175-cunning (usuallyin a bad sense) crafty, prudent, subtil.Sounds like in the beginning God made him evil. Where do we get he was a cherub?It is pretty clear from Jesus and John, that he was a liar and a murderer from the timehe was created by God in (Gen. 3:1). Don't you agree? He was never a good and powerful angel. Why do we give him so much credit?Jude 6 speaks of angels who left their first estate. This is speaking of the situation in Genesis 6:1-4 leading up to the flood, not the fall of angels prior to the creation of Adam. The NASV renders Jude 6 as follows:6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.This refers to those who apparently intermarried with the daughters of men, producing giants in the earth, as we read in the account of Genesis 6.Likewise, in Ezekiel 28 we have the most well-known passage that has been interpreted to mean that Satan was originally a good and powerful angel. Yet this passage is clearly speaking of "the leader of Tyre," who is specifically said to be a MAN.2 Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, Thus says the Lord GOD, Because your heart is lifted up, and you have said, I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, in the heart of the seas; yet you are a man [awdawm, "ADAM," or "man"] and not God, although you make your heart like the heart of God-From verse 12 and on, the prophet speaks about "the king of Tyre" in terms that seem to be referring to a situation in the garden of Eden. Verses 13-15 tell us,13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; the lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; and the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you. On the day that you were created they were prepared. 14 You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you.Although it has been commonly believed for a long time that this passage is referring to Satan, it is actually a comparison between the king of Tyre and Adam himself in the garden of Eden. Adam was perfect in the day he was created. He walked with God on the holy mountain (kingdom) and among the "stones of fire." In other words, Adam had full access to the presence of God and all its glory.God had also given Adam dominion over all the earth-hence, he was the "anointed cherub who covers." A cherub does not necessarily have to be an angelic being. Adam was a cherub in that pristine state prior to his fall. Though he was created with a physical body, that body was not subject to the limitations of the flesh prior to his fall. His body was much like Jesus' post-resurrection body. I believe Adam originally had the ability to move freely between heaven and earth, or between the spiritual dimension and the earthly.Logabe
     
  3. Christina

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    That is just plain a complete misinterpretation I don't know where you get this interpretation of scripture you keep quoting from but it seems to get further away from the Word with each post you make. 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. If you can not see this is Satan, the Serpent, Lucifer (Same person as Isa.14 where he is called a man) you are truly not seeing Gods Words as a whole .Isa. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? Again you easily proved wrong in scripture He (king of tyre) was always thought to be Satan/Lucifer because God says it is. Period you are calling Adam, Satan ---calling men cherubs? assuming facts never in evidence that is a dangerous doctrine to follow and exactly the kind of suttle word twisting Satan does while tempting Christ. If you can not understand God uses different names for him as many in scripture to describe his different characteristics one can not understand scriptures at allIs Christ himself not called a Lamb, Saviour, King, Lord, Rock, Jesus, ect. Yet would you dare say these differnt names are not Christ?????????? So it is how God teaches us if you are not understaning this you will not understand the Word.P.S. you can call/see a Cherub may be many things depending on ones veiw but never is it just a flesh man [url="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=434&letter=C&search=cherub]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp...C&search=cherub[/url]
     
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    That is just plain a complete misinterpretation I don't know where you get this interpretation of scripture you keep quoting from but it seems to get further away from the Word with each post you make. 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. If you can not see this is Satan, the Serpent, Lucifer (Same person as Isa.14 where he is called a man) you are truly not seeing Gods Words as a whole .Isa. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? Again you easily proved wrong in scripture He (king of tyre) was always thought to be Satan/Lucifer because God says it is. Period you are calling Adam, Satan ---calling men cherubs? assuming facts never in evidence that is a dangerous doctrine to follow and exactly the kind of suttle word twisting Satan does while tempting Christ. If you can not understand God uses different names for him as many in scripture to describe his different characteristics one can not understand scriptures at allIs Christ himself not called a Lamb, Saviour, King, Lord, Rock, Jesus, ect. Yet would you dare say these differnt names are not Christ?????????? So it is how God teaches us if you are not understaning this you will not understand the Word.
    You are 100% correct on this one Christina. I know I said this before, and I'll say it again, logabe has no intention of hearing God. Logabe will just keep talking and post whatever he wants. I just hate all the lies... It is impossible for lies to get around with the Truth. It is like sand trying to go through a brick wall.
     
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    Okay, I get this from Gen. 3:1. I didn't say that old serpent called the devilwas made by God," the most subtil beast of the field from the beginning". But,doesn't it make sense in (John 8:44) when Jesus says that old serpent wasa MURDERER FROM THE BIGINNING and not a cherub.(1 John 3:8) lines up exactly with what Moses' wrote (Gen. 3:1) and what Jesus said in (John 8:44) that from the very beginning the old serpent was a liar and amurderer. Not once did they say he was a cherub. They said, God created him that way.It must be line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little (Isa. 28:9).In other words...scripture must support scripture.One last thing...the reason Adam was called Lucifer, was because before he fellhe was the FIRST ADAM, the son of the morning. Jesus was called the Bright andMorning Star because He was the LAST ADAM. I hope this is making sense, so we can all get on the same page and stop all of this foolishness.Logabe
     
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    Okay, I get this from Gen. 3:1. I didn't say that old serpent called the devilwas made by God," the most subtil beast of the field from the beginning". But,doesn't it make sense in (John 8:44) when Jesus says that old serpent wasa MURDERER FROM THE BIGINNING and not a cherub.(1 John 3:8) lines up exactly with what Moses' wrote (Gen. 3:1) and what Jesus said in (John 8:44) that from the very beginning the old serpent was a liar and amurderer. Not once did they say he was a cherub. They said, God created him that way.It must be line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little (Isa. 28:9).In other words...scripture must support scripture.One last thing...the reason Adam was called Lucifer, was because before he fellhe was the FIRST ADAM, the son of the morning. Jesus was called the Bright andMorning Star because He was the LAST ADAM. I hope this is making sense, so we can all get on the same page and stop all of this foolishness.Logabe
    More lies of men! You are endangering you own soul for this trash you believe in, and possisbly you are misleading some other people. No where in scripture was Adam being called Lucifer ever. You are calling the starting line-up for Lord Jesus Christ to come through Lucifer? 1. Lucifer is an angel. 2. Adam is a human.Adam wasn't even exist yet. Lucifer is that old serpent, the Devil and Satan (Revelation 12:9, Revelation 20:2) the father of all lies (John 8:44) And that is precept upon precept. Yours is just men's words that perverted the Truth of God's Words. (Jeremiah 23:36, Mark 7:7-9, Colossians 2:8, II Corinthians 11:4)
     
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    Okay, ... this foolishness.Logabe
    Not one thing you said in this post was anywhere close to the truth.You need to stop your foolishness. Where ever did you find this junk. You are completely deluded. Learn some Hebrew, put down whatever trash you are reading and pick up the Bible.
     
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    Jordan, you and others are missing the point. How can he be a cherub ifhe was a liar and a MURDERER when he was created in Gen. 3:1. Explainthat to me. You are saying he was good and Moses, Jesus, and John sayhe was a liar, murderer, and subtil when HE WAS CREATED. Don't get [email protected] me. I didn't say it. I just believe it because they said it and come on Jordan,ya'll can't deny the scriptures. What does it say? READ IT. Quit getting mad @ me and saying ugly things. Get mad @ Jesus. He's the one that said it.Logabe
     
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    Jordan, you and others are missing the point. How can he be a cherub ifhe was a liar and a MURDERER when he was created in Gen. 3:1. Explainthat to me. You are saying he was good and Moses, Jesus, and John sayhe was a liar, murderer, and subtil when HE WAS CREATED. Don't get [email protected] me. I didn't say it. I just believe it because they said it and come on Jordan,ya'll can't deny the scriptures. What does it say? READ IT. Quit getting mad @ me and saying ugly things. Get mad @ Jesus. He's the one that said it.Logabe
    Ezekiel 28:14 - Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.Cherub Hebrew # 3742 (keruwb) cherub, cherubim (pl)a) an angelic being1) as guardians of Eden2) as flanking God's throne3) as an image form hovering over the Ark of the Covenant4) as the chariot of Jehovah (fig.)Flashback: Ezekiel 28:13 - Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.Fast Forward: Ezekiel 28:15 - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
     
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    Okay, I get this from Gen. 3:1. I didn't say that old serpent called the devilwas made by God," the most subtil beast of the field from the beginning". But,doesn't it make sense in (John 8:44) when Jesus says that old serpent wasa MURDERER FROM THE BIGINNING and not a cherub.(1 John 3:8) lines up exactly with what Moses' wrote (Gen. 3:1) and what Jesus said in (John 8:44) that from the very beginning the old serpent was a liar and amurderer. Not once did they say he was a cherub. They said, God created him that way.It must be line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little (Isa. 28:9).In other words...scripture must support scripture.One last thing...the reason Adam was called Lucifer, was because before he fellhe was the FIRST ADAM, the son of the morning. Jesus was called the Bright andMorning Star because He was the LAST ADAM. I hope this is making sense, so we can all get on the same page and stop all of this foolishness.Logabe
    NO NO NO !!! logabe you are completely confused .... Good heavens ... Lucifer is Angelhe was created as perfect he was guardian of the Mercy seat the Hebrew says he was created the full Pattern (most beautiful Knowledgeable Angel ever created by God)Until he became full of pride wanted to be God ..place is throne above Gods. He is the King leader/of the fallen Angels of Gen 6 ....Angels can appear as men as we learn one wrestled with Jacob...visited Lot ect...After Lucifer"s fall ... he became Satan ... he is also called by many names depicting his various characteristics... and types.. Lucifer..Satan.. devil..serpent .. lawless one, son of perdition are all names of Satan. Satan also has human types in scripture ... King of Babylon for example, there was a human King of Babylon but he was a type of Antichrist in Rev. God teaches on many levelsLucifer fell in the first earth age ... It is for this reason he was out to destroy the Bloodline of Christ that would come through Adam ... He knew from the beginning that Christ was a threat to destroy him ... It was for this reason he went after Eve and Adam causing them to fall .... How did he go about doing this ?? ..He in the Hebrew wholly seduced Eve .. resulting in the birth of Cain... Cain is the first Murder the Liar this is the start of the Kennites (Hebrew means- sons of Cain) in the Old Testament they are called Tares in the New Testament .. Jesus is now going to identify exactly who these Kenites are.John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."Do you know who the devil is? The devil is Satan, and he goes by many names. In Revelation 12:9; "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world;" In the Garden of Eden Satan was called the "old serpent, and the tree of good and evil"Jesus is telling these Kenites that there father is the devil, who is also called Satan, the dragon, or any of his other names that Satan has because of the roles he has played. Jesus is telling these Kenites that the lust, and murder in your heart is inborn from your father Satan, and you are driven in your spirit to do murder because Satan is your father.This is why Jesus could not be speaking to the brethren of the house of Judah, for their lineage is not of Satan, this is what the plan of God is all about. Keeping the pure lineage that the coming Messiah would be born from. That is why Noah was saved from the flood, as we are told in Genesis 6:9 "THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH; Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,..." In the Hebrew text the word for "perfect" is "tamim", which means "without blemish, as to breed or pedigree". Noah's blood line was pure.Jesus is making it simple, now who was the murderer from the beginning? Most small children could answer that, it was Cain. Genesis 4:8; "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, And slew him." Cain was a murderer from, or in the beginning.Jesus is telling it just as it is, The "Kenites" are the children [offspring by lineage] of the devil, through Cain. Jesus identified both Satan, and Cain as being their father. So why is it any secret that they would try to murder Christ, they are just like their fathers Cain and Satan.I Chronicles 2:55; "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem]; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.The lineage of Rechab is not of Israel, and those men standing before Jesus here are the offspring of the Rechab not Jacob or Judah. The duties of the scribes and the priests had been taken over in Babylon, some five centuries prior to Christ birth.This then gets into what happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and Satan. For what came out of that sexual relationship union was a child, and not apple seeds and apples. The leaves were fig leaves, and not apple tree leaves, and Eve covered her private parts, and not a mask to cover her mouth. As Paul said, Satan wholly seduced Eve in the garden, and from that union came Cain.Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve]. and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."Most learned "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. The recognize that "seed" is referring to the children of the woman "Eve", yet somehow they just want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men [Satan and Adam]. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "Zirmah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". In the English we call it "sperm", and Strong's Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it simply can not be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the Kenites through Cain, while Adam's posterity is in Christ who is of the pure bloodline through Seth.In Strong's Hebrew dictionary, numbered to the King James Bible; # 7014, and the word is "Kenite": "Qayan, Kah'-yin; The name of the first child, of an oriental tribe:-Cain, Kenite." Now lets take the name "Kenites" [the family], # 7017, "Qeyniy, kay-nee', a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:-Kenite."The books of Ezra and Nehemiah detail how the duties of the Levitical priests had been taken over by these Kenites [Nethinims-foreigners] from top to bottom, and their plot existed then to kill Nemehiah. It was not sucessful, for Nemehiah finally figured out who was setting the trap for Him.When Jesus was warning our Generation of what to look out for in the end times, He compelled us to "learn the parable of the fig tree", so we would not be deceived in the later days [Matthew 24:32]. Friend, the roots of the parable are in the Garden of Eden, and they deal with the sexual affair between Eve and Satan, and out of it came a son named Cain. Cain's offspring have tried to attach themselves to the lineage of Adam, and Abraham all through the years. When you understand who these people of Hamath are, and that they are not of Abraham, Jacob, Judah or any part of Israel, then you are starting to understand the "parable of the fig tree".If this disturbs you to much, then put this study down, for you are not intended to understand, and just go back to Buddha, Ishtar, or where ever you were that makes you feel good or gives you an emotional high. However if you desire to study deeper into this, Matthew 13 gives several parables relating to the parable of the fig tree, or [tares] and then from verses 36 to 43 Jesus explains the parables to His disciples. This is the key to understanding much of the Scriptures.Jesus disciples came to him in private and asked Jesus to explain the parables to them, for they just didn't understand them. Lets start here with Matthew 13:35; "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, saying, "I will open my mouth in parable; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." These parables reveal things that are secrets that have been kept from the very foundation of the world. The explaining of the parables starts in verse 36. It is explaining the meaning of each part of His parables, that will apply to all of the parables here.Matthew 13:36: "Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."Jesus declared that to us; remember that truth is what sets you free.Matthew 13:37; "He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man:"This is not a parable, but Jesus is explaining one to the disciples. The Holy Spirit of God breathed the soul or life into these bodies created by God.Matthew 13:38; "The field is the world; and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"Jesus is talking about this world age of the flesh. Don't spiritualize this away. We are talking about people here, the children of God's kingdom, and the children of the wicked one [Satan]. The tares are the Kenites, the children of the wicked one.Matthew 13:39; "The enemy that soweth them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."When you check out what the devil soweth in Strong's Greek dictionary, it is "sperma"; the devil who is Satan deposited male sperma into mother Eve. If this is hard to take and understand that an angel, which Satan is, had sperm; go back in Genesis 6 where many angels violated God's orders and these angels [sons of God] "came to earth to take the daughters of men to be their wives." From those marriages came some form of life that the translators called "children" [Nephilim]. How do you think that those women became pregnant if the sperm was not there?The first two sons of Eve, Cain and Abel were twins, but not of the same father. Genesis 4:2 "And she again bare his brother Abel,..." "Again" in the Hebrew text is "yacaph", in the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary, # 3254; "(to continue to do a thing)". If Eve just gave birth to Cain, and she continues on giving birth, then she is having twins. Jesus told it rightly in John 8:44 where the lust and murder in the hearts of these Kenites came from.Matthew 13:40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world."Matthew 13:41 "The son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things the offend, and them which do iniquity:"Matthew 13:42 "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."Matthew 13:43 "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."Friend, this chapter of John is not the only place in God's Word that Christ taught us of these Kenites, and made it this simple. So as we discussed above, Cain was the offspring of Satan, not Adam, and Cain's offspring are called "Kenites", and we are warned to be aware of them throughout the word of God.Are we to destroy them? Definitely not, but they are part of all the Parables, especially dealing with the end times. Truth will set you free, and we are to become wiser then the serpent, and his people. Then you will not have the problems that you would otherwise have, because you have power over them. The spiritual battle is real, and we have the victory. The Kenites are part of God's overall plan, leave them alone.John 8:45 "And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not."Jesus had been rough on them, telling these men that their father was the devil, and sometimes the truth hurts.John 8:46 "Which of you convinceth Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe Me?"Jesus is asking these Kenites, for which of my acts do you want to murder me for. Jesus had fed thousands including many Kenites. He had raised people from the dead. He had healed many, and forgiven many of their sins; now Jesus asks "which one of these caused you to plot against Me?" Only the devil and his children, the Kenites could have wished Jesus life be taken.John 8:47 "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."There are two fathers, alright; God is the one, and the other is the devil. Are you starting to figure out which one the Kenites are from?John 8:48 "Then answered the Jews, and said unto Him, "Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?"These Kenites are mad at what Jesus has just said, and they are telling Jesus that He is Samaritan, which is to say that you are a foreigner, and don't know what your are saying. The Samaritans were outsiders when it came to the things of God, and the Jews looked on them in disgrace. To top it off, they told Jesus that He had a devil in Him. They knew what Jesus was saying, and that their hidden ways and secrets had just been revealed in public by Jesus, and they did not like that.John 8:49 "Jesus answered, "I have not a devil; but I honour My Father, and ye do dishonour Me."John 8:50 "And I seek not Mine own glory: there is One That seeketh and judgeth."John 8:51 "Veily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death."John 8:52 "Then said the Jews unto Him, "Now we know that Thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and Thou sayest, "If a man keep My saying, he shall never taste of death."Don't blame the tribe of Judah for this, for it was the offspring of the first murderer that is claiming that Jesus has a devil. Here you can see that this tribe of Kenites do not understand the Word of God, for God Himself states in Matthew 22:32 that He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living.In Ecclesiastes 12:7 God says that when the flesh body does dies it go back to the dust of the earth, and the soul returns immediately to the Father that gave it.So we see that these Kenites are so tied to their traditions that they don't even know that we serve a living God.John 8:53 "Art Thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead whom makest Thou Thyself?"If Abraham and the prophets are all dead, then whom do you claim to be?John 8:54 "Jesus answered, If I honour Myself, My honour is nothing: it is My Father That honoureth Me; of Whom ye say, that He is your God:"Jesus is saying to these Kenites that I honor My Father, and you claim to be honoring Him, but you are not.John 8:55 "Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying."It doesn't make someone happy to call them a liar to their face in public, but Jesus isn't out to win friends here.John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad."The reference to "father Abraham" is given, because Abraham is the father of all nations, for that is what his name means.John 8:57 "Then said the Jews unto him, "Thou are not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?"John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, "Verily verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.""I am" is the sacred name of God. Genesis 14 tells us that Abraham went to battle to save his nephew Lot, and when Abraham returned from battle he met Melchizedek the king of Salem in the plain, and Abraham brought forth bread and wine and Melchizedek blessed Abraham. Melchizedek is the priest of the Most High God, and He is identified as the great "I Am". It was from this meeting that Melchizedek, the great "I Am", blessed Abraham and gave him the name change from "Abram". Melchizedek was Christ, and that is why Paul would say that Christ was a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. "Melchizedek" in the Hebrew is "King of the Just" There is only one King of the Just and that is Christ.John 8:59 "Then took they up stones to cast at Him: but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."The Kenites could not see the promised Messiah when He stood before them, and when Jesus told them that they were of their father the devil, they went mad with hatred. Even though these Kenites plotted to murder Christ, and with all the hatred in their hearts, if they had come to believe on Jesus at any time, His love for them is so great that Christ's shed blood would even cover their sins. There is no sin that you cannot repent of, except the one that can only be committed by the elect of God during the time of the great tribulation. The unforgivable sin. That time has not come yet when the elect are delivered up before the Antichrist to allow the Holy Spirit of God to speak through you.
     
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    Allow me to also share with you fragment 202(Dead Sea Scrolls) from Gen 4:1) Sammael was a common Hebrew name for Satan/Lucifer the Angel of death (see Jewish Encyclopedia for following:ISAIAH, ASCENSION OF:...Isaiah, caused by the last-named's prediction of the destruction of Sammael (Satan), the redemption of the world by Jesus, the...is told that "on account of these visions and prophecies Sammael (Satan) sawed in sunder Isaiah the son of Amos,202. The Father of Cain 1 And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceivedfrom Sammael the angel (of death)and she became pregnant and bore Cain.And he was like those on high and not like those below.And she said:-- "I have got a man from the angel of the LORD." (Targum, pseudo-Jonathan on Gen 4:1)You can also read of this in the writtings of Irenaeus and Hippolytusyou can find it on the net or get this free E-bookhttp://www.voiceofelijah.org/freeoffer/goo...CFRI0awodvgWq-Q
     
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    What? You delete peoples posts that don't agree with you?
     
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    I delete post from non christians this is a christian site you want to bash the Bible go find a another place
     
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    What? You delete peoples posts that don't agree with you?
    I delete post from non christians this is a christian site you want to bash the Bible go find a another placeOn top of that, this is the BIBLE STUDY SITE We study God's Words. NOT A OPINION SITE or WHAT KIND OF LIE DO YOU BELIEVE SITE!
     
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    QUOTE (Christina @ Dec 6 2008, 09:13 PM)
    This lesson will focus on the antichrist and what he will be doing when he is kicked out of heaven.
    For him to "will be doing when he is kicked out of heaven” as in future tense, I just wonder . . . is the antichrist in Heaven at the moment?
     
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    QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 5 2009, 08:15 PM)
    For him to "will be doing when he is kicked out of heaven” as in future tense, I just wonder . . . is the antichrist in Heaven at the moment?
    Yes, Read the book of Job. Job 1:6-12, Job 2:1-7 says it all... clearly Satan speaking to God. After Christ's finish temptation from the desert, he's not allowed to roam on Earth anymore until he is kicked out of Heaven. (Revelation 9:1, Luke 10:18)
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 6 2009, 03:31 AM)
    Yes, Read the book of Job. Job 1:6-12, Job 2:1-7 says it all... clearly Satan speaking to God. After Christ's finish temptation from the desert, he's not allowed to roam on Earth anymore until he is kicked out of Heaven. (Revelation 9:1, Luke 10:18)
    QUOTE (Christina @ Dec 6 2008, 04:10 AM)
    Satan wants to hold the position of Christ and he will get his chance to play Christ when he is thrown to the earth
    Let me get this . . . satan will be thrown (future tense) to the earth. So he definitely is in Heaven at the moment? So who is bordering us at moment down here on earth with him in Heaven?
     
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    QUOTE (watchman @ Apr 5 2009, 09:53 PM)
    QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 5 2009, 08:31 PM)
    Yes, Read the book of Job. Job 1:6-12, Job 2:1-7 says it all... clearly Satan speaking to God. After Christ's finish temptation from the desert, he's not allowed to roam on Earth anymore until he is kicked out of Heaven. (Revelation 9:1, Luke 10:18)
    That is absurd!!!!If what I say is absurd, can you show me on the map where Satan is at right now? Have you seen him? I know I haven't.
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 6 2009, 05:01 AM)
    QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 6 2009, 03:31 AM)
    Yes, Read the book of Job. Job 1:6-12, Job 2:1-7 says it all... clearly Satan speaking to God. After Christ's finish temptation from the desert, he's not allowed to roam on Earth anymore until he is kicked out of Heaven. (Revelation 9:1, Luke 10:18)
    QUOTE (Christina @ Dec 6 2008, 04:10 AM)
    Satan wants to hold the position of Christ and he will get his chance to play Christ when he is thrown to the earth
    QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 6 2009, 03:34 AM)
    Let me get this . . . satan will be thrown (future tense) to the earth. So he definitely is in Heaven at the moment? So who is bordering us at moment down here on earth with him in Heaven?
    If what I say is absurd, can you show me on the map where Satan is at right now? Have you seen him? I know I haven't.If this is what you believe . . . . satan in heaven at the moment and he will only appear as the antichrist same time to come, I can understand why you are totally confuse and your end time doctrine is what it is. You are deceived by the one and only satan who is actively running around on earth at this moment while you entertain the doctrine which he is feeding you.
     
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    QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 5 2009, 10:21 PM)
    If what I say is absurd, can you show me on the map where Satan is at right now? Have you seen him? I know I haven't.If this is what you believe . . . . satan in heaven at the moment and he will only appear as the antichrist same time to come, I can understand why you are totally confuse and your end time doctrine is what it is. You are deceived by the one and only satan who is actively running around on earth at this moment while you entertain the doctrine which he is feeding you.
    Confused? No. Satan is THE Anti-Christ. That Anti-Christ that will fall from Heaven. (Revelation 9:1, Luke 10:18) And he is the son of perdition.
     
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