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Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by JesusIsFaithful, Jun 25, 2018.

  1. JesusIsFaithful

    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    After reading the rules at that site, I found one wherein I deemed it proper not to join, seeing how no one is to debate the site's belief that ALL believers will be raptured.

    I had sent an e-mail to the admin of the site, but I had received no response so far.

    I was basically asking why he had a rapture ready forum if there was no need to be ready for the rapture since all believers will be taken?

    I did provide several scriptural references for why Jesus was warning believers to be ready or else. I even addressed how even former believers are called to depart from iniquity in getting ready. 2 Timothy 2:18-21 or else as that iniquity denies Him, He will deny them, but yet even if they believe not in Him any more, He still abides ( 2 Timothy 2:10-13 ) for why there is a call to depart from iniquity given to former believers and not just believers.

    Anyway, if any one wishes to reprove my understanding that not all believers will be raptured, do feel free to engage here since you can't do it there when I cannot start a thread on that wise.

    As it is, I believe God is judging His House first at the pre great trib rapture for why His warnings and the warnings from His disciples are given to believers to be ready or else. Luke 12:40-49 does signify that those cut off to have their "portions" with unbelievers, that as those cut off were receiving stripes, they were still called His servants and thus still saved as His.

    So.. do not discuss the forum site or complain about it; it is their forum and they can run it anyway they like, but if you have joined that forum OR you agree that ALL believers will be raptured, then feel free to discuss and reprove what I am reading in scripture for why not all saved believers including those that have become former believers, will not be raptured.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Well, I'll go you one better and say that I don't see that "rapture" notion even mentioned in the Bible.
     
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    Your understanding that "not all believers will be raptured" contradicts all the Scriptures pertaining to the Body, the Bride, and the Building of Christ.

    Every child of God (or "son of God") is a member of the Body of Christ, therefore no part of that supernatural *mystical* Body can be excluded from becoming the Bride of Christ or the Wife of the Lamb.

    And God has ways and means of dealing with inconsistent or unrepentant Christians, but He deals with them as children of God. See Hebrews 12.
     
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    So presumably you don't see the resurrection of the saints mentioned in the Bible either, since the two things are tied together into one event.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    You know better than that. "The Rapture" game is always some people's idea of a separate and distinct, before-hand escape pod.
     
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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    Same can be said for Trinity notion, but you can find that notion and the rapture for why Jesus is warning believers to be ready for Him when He comes.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Please, SPECIFICALLY state what a Christian has do to "be ready" that belief in Christ doesn't already cover? (And I have always wondered what someone who believes we have to "watch" is going to do if they are distracted by typing a post [or straining on the toilet] when that particular split-second arrives.)
     
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    It is a safe bet that not all believers will be abiding in Him at the time that He comes as "too coincidentally convenient" as that is, whereby Hebrews 12th chapter can be applied to those left behind.

    Look at it in this way; Paul taught the church to excommunicate an unrepentant brother for giving him unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ ( 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ) and so they are not to eat with a brother living in sin ( 1 Corinthians 5:11 )

    So as God instructs the church to do in holding proper fellowship, so will God do for why saints are given unto Satan for the destruction of their flesh for why no unrepentant saint nor former believer will be eating at the Marriage Supper table unless they repent with His help before the Bridegroom comes.

    That is why God is judging His House first at the pre great trib rapture for why Jesus & His disciples are telling believers to be ready by His help or else.

    2 Timothy 4:18 This promise also applies to His saints left behind as He will finish His work even in them in bringing His lost sheep Home.
     
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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    Well, I see the reasons for His warnings to be ready or else in Luke 12:40-49.. and there are a lot of other warnings besides that one.
     
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    Again, specifically what needs to be done BY A CHRISTIAN at that moment, that believing in Christ hasn't already accomplished?
     
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    By running that race by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin for abiding in Him as His disciple to be received.

    By the grace of God and our faith in Him as our Saviour, we are saved and so by that same grace of God by our faith in Him as our Good Shepherd, are we to live this reconciled relationship with God in running that race with our confidence and hope in Him to finish what He has started in us.

    Those who do not apply that faith in Him as their Good Shepherd in running that race, that gets left behind for being found in iniquity or just loving this life more than to leave it when the Bridegroom comes, Jesus will finish His work in those unrepentant saints and former believers left behind.

    As it is, the just shall live by faith... even when running that race so we can rest in Him as our Friend in keeping us as His friend in abiding in Him by directing our path to walk in the light as He has done.
     
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    Salvation and discipleship is not the same thing, but both is done by faith and by the grace of God.

    Since Jesus told His disciples to make disciples of other believers, then discipleship is running that race for the high prize of our calling to be received by the Bridegroom; not for salvation.

    The only thing running that race by faith in Jesus Christ is for ....is not for salvation, but to be saved from what is coming on the earth.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    So, you have to earn this rapture?
     
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    You have to trust Him as your Good Shepherd to help you get ready to leave and not just for abiding in Him in laying aside every weight & sin.

    Jesus has warned His disciples to be ready or else in Luke 12:40-49.

    What do you think the consequence is for defiling the temple of God?

    1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    What is the point of calling unrepentant saints and former believers to depart from iniquity unless there is a consequence? Our bodies is the temples of the Holy Spirit and physical death is how it is destroyed by being cast into the great tribulation.

    Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    So are you looking to the author and finisher of our faith to help you lay aside every weight & sin in running that race to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper or not?

    If you run it to be saved, as in to obtain salvation by, then you run the risk of being left behind for denying Him as your Saviour.

    BUT while knowing you are saved, and yet to defile the temple of God by engaging in dead works that deny Him, will also get you denied by Him for being "workers of iniquity".

    So we run that race, knowing we are saved, but we run by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd in helping us be ready to go.
     
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    Hi Brother JesusIsFaithful, have you considered that for any to have been seen in heaven during John's visit in spirit there, they had to be caught up?

    Is there purpose in being ready, or may I use the word "abide" (1Jn 2:28 so as to not be ashamed), or scripture being faithful unto death (Rev 2:10 to retain their crown), and the faithful enduring of the Philadelphian saints that they be kept from the temptation to come upon all the world (Rev 3:10)?

    From Rev 4:1 forward in Revelation the viewpoint is the hereafter, and you can take a close look at Revelation chapters two & three and see the manner, and purpose od attaing unto having God's best for our lives. Five portions of the Church are told to repent, and only twp are commended. What is an example of an alternative? Instead of appearing with Jesus when He receives His own crown in Rev 4:2 such as the twenty-four elderse, and four living ones, there is the Great Multitude to come out of the tribulation; they too are the Church.
    Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Blessings in Christ Jesus. :)
     
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    I was banned from that site , a long time ago... I had almost forgetten it lol

    Peace!
     
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    Well, to discern the Lord's message through John, John did see future spirits that were already there under the altar in Revelation 6:9-11 as they were told to wait for a little season until the number of their brethren should be added to them. I would see them as those unrepentant saints that did not inherit their celestial inheritance for whatever the reason in spite of their works as they were to wait for those saints left behind for their inheritance.

    In Revelation 7:13-17, we see the result of that waiting as those saints left behind were killed as they will be in Heaven before God's throne.

    So when I refer to caught up, I am referring to the first fruit of the resurrection of the spirits of those saints dead and then including the living abiding in Him as His disciples, will be changed and inheriting their glorified celestial state in meeting the Lord in the air to be forever with the Lord in that way.

    So those spirits of those "dead" saints not resurrected are with the Lord even though they did not qualify to attend the Marriage Supper, but they are still with the Lord in spirit as promised when absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Their numbers will be added to those living unrepentant saints and former believers left behind, including any new believers that should be killed during the great tribulation before they receive their glorified terrestrial inheritance after the great tribulation.

    So those in body that are left behind will be present with the Lord when they die, but just not attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

    The purpose is given in how God was warning 5 out of 7 churches to depart from iniquity wherein in the warning to the church at Thyatira, the consequence for not repenting from iniquity was to be cast into the bed of the great tribulation.

    That purpose can be seen better in how churches was to maintain proper fellowship by excommunication because they were not to have a brethren living in unrepentant sin among them; as they were not even to eat with such a brother until he had repent ( 1 Corinthians 5:11 ). That purpose in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 as giving that brother unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ shows how God will excommunicate those not ready as found not abiding in Him to be given unto Satan for the destruction of their flesh ( hence physical death ). The necessity for attending the Marriage Supper is the same for maintaining proper fellowship in the church. What God instructed the Church to do through Paul, He will also do when the Bridegroom comes to receive those abiding in Him to the King's Supper.

    Being left behind and thus not being received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper. Those spirits of those saints not resurrected are with the Lord under that altar because they are denied attendance to the Marriage Supper, but they are with the Lord in Heaven.

    The alternative is by hinting what those worthy of the resurrection shall obtained; to be like the angels that never marry nor die. Luke 20:34-36

    Those coming out of the great tribulation will be resurrected in their glorified terrestrial state wherein the power of the second death is not over them, but is that indirectly saying that the power of the first death is over them? Is that why they and the coming generations by them during the millennium reign of Christ has to eat from the tree of life in the city of New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven after the great tribulation for the healing of the nations because they can die whereas the first fruits cannot? And after Satan has been release from the pit after a thousand years, and defeated for the last time in having been cast into the lake of fire, those remaining loyal to Christ will inherit the kingdom and death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire when no one in their glorified terrestrial state can ever die again thereby inheriting eternal life in the end in that way.

    Paul cites another consequence other than the loss of the reward of the crown and that is becoming a castaway. 1 Corinthians 9:24-26

    The reason teh 24 elders cast their crowns at His feet because the crowns are really His crowning achievements in them as their confidence and trust & all their hopes was in Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him all the way to leaving this life and their loved ones behind to go Home.

    So those that are taken will have a place in the City of God; those not abiding will have a place in His kingdom on earth, but not in the city of God. They can visit, and they can even have their babies born there, but they cannot live there. The new earth will no longer have any sea and so there will be more than enough room for them to live any where in the world in raising their families in setting the example to all future generations coming.

    Yes. In spirit, after their physical death during the great tribulation, they will be with the Lord, but they have not inherited their glorified terrestrial body until after the great tribulation.

    Thank you for sharing. May God cause the increase.
     
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    Makes you wonder how a site is going to get believers ready for the rapture when they are banning believers.

    And yet they believe all believers will be rapture for why I cannot join it unless I break one of their rules by discussing how that is not true Biblically.
     
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    Afternoon Brother JesusIsFaithful. I just want to make sure i understand your position in being ready. Are you saying that believers should be ready for the first rank of the Church such as the twenty-four elders to be caught up round bout Jesus' throne in Rev 4:4, and those four living ones of Rev 4:6 that will be in the midst of Jesus' throne, versus those that will come out of great tribulation in Rev 7:14 because they weren't ready?
     
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    There will be more than just 24 elders taken up. There will be more than just what makes up the 144,000 virgin men that will be redeemed from the earth that makes up His personal choir that follows Him around wherever He goes as Revelation 14:1-5 testify of. There will be O.T. saints and N.T. disciples sitting down at that table in Heaven. Luke 13:24-30

    But yes, I am saying that saved believers are called by Him to be ready by Him as our Good Shepherd to go, otherwise, as the church is supposed to excommunicate unrepentant brothers, ( 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ) as we are not to eat with them ( 1 Corinthians 5:11 ), so will God do at the pre great trib rapture by excommunicating those with His seal as found in unrepentant iniquity, including former believers, from attending the Marriage Supper..
     
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