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  1. Enow

    Enow Active Member

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    Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    If they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, they are saved.

    Are Evangelicals Saved? They should remember the verses above.

    One famous evangelical gave this altar call after giving the gospel as mentioned above;

    "If you are not sure you are saved, make a commitment to follow Christ."

    Say what? Whatever happened to "If you had called upon the name of the Lord, believe you are saved as promised."

    But instead. believers are seeking justification and assurance of salvation by keeping that commitment to follow Christ. No?

    Billy Graham is the author of that altar call and in an interview with Tony Snow, he had doubted he would be received by Jesus Christ because he was not always a good Christian?

    Tony Snow Interviews Billy Graham

    "SNOW: When you get to Heaven, who's going to speak first, you or God?

    GRAHAM: When I get there, I'm sure that Jesus is going to say that he
    will welcome me. But I think that he's going to say: Well done, our good
    and faithful servant. Or he may say: You're in the wrong place.

    SNOW: You really worry that you may be told you're in the wrong place?

    GRAHAM: Yes, because I have not -- I'm not a righteous man. People put
    me up on a pedestal that I don't belong in my personal life. And they
    think that I'm better than I am. I'm not the good man that people think
    I am. Newspapers and magazines and television have made me out to be a
    saint. I'm not. I'm not a Mother Teresa. And I feel that very much."

    Say what? Was he judging himself by that commitment to follow Christ whereby is the knowledge of sin? Did he admit to failing in his strength & will power to keep that commitment to follow Christ in order to get that assurance of salvation? Looks that way.

    Billy Graham's spirit is with the Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven. Whether or not he had repented of that commitment to rest in Him as saved, I am sure he found out when he was with the Lord in Heaven albeit, he would be sorry for giving that altar call which is the opposite of the gospel he had preached for no one can finish by the flesh what He began.

    So before you all speak against the Catholic as not saved, and laboring in unbelief, I will say you should check with what is on your foundation that Jesus Christ laid for you first and see if you are not doing the same thing in another way.

    You guys are saved. It is the only way His disciples can testify that He is the Saviour.

    But what we build on that foundation will be judged in how we will inherit the kingdom of Heaven which is as a vessel unto honor or as a vessel unto dishonor?

    So you all best look to the author and finisher of our faith to help you lay aside every weight & sin because the RCC cannot do it and neither can you do it by the religious flesh. I do. I look to Him to help me run that race everyday. I can tell you to hold confidence in Him to do it by His words which is a promise to all those who believe in Him that seek to abide Him.

    So if you do not believe you are saved yet.. better check with the Lord Jesus Christ then.

    1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
     
  2. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Again and again...no one is saved before the end. Otherwise what is the point of having a race? There are winners and losers in the salvation race. One must first finish the race or be disqualified. Then one is judged by what kind of works were done...whether of the Spirit and eternal...or by the flesh and temporal. Some are to be honoured and others shamed. Some gain...some lose. And that is in the house of God. God judges His people face to face.

    The ungodly are a different story.
     
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    Far be it from me to say whether any individual Catholic is saved or not. What bothers me about the Catholic religion, is what Pauls said in Galatians, about people relying on their circumcision instead of Christ. The Catholic Church teaches that works are needed for salvation. If one is relying on his works, Paul says Christ will be of no use to them and they have fallen away. Only God knows who is and who isn't.
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Is this thread saved?
     
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    lol

    wow, i had no idea BG was cult of sol, hmm
    thought he avoided statements like that?
    curious when that was in his ministry even
     
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    contemplate "saved" not having anything to do with
    Death, More Abundantly!
    gasp
     
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    If this is really what Billy Graham said, it is a shocking statement. It means that he did not believe that the righteousness of Christ was imputed to him when he was saved. He did not believe that he was justified by grace through faith. So chances are that he may not have really said what has been reported.

    As to the title of this thread, only God knows which Catholics are truly saved and which are not. So no one else is in a position to determine that. However, if we are to simply examine Catholic doctrines in the light of Scripture, they are generally false. Therefore we need to distinguish between the false teachings of any denomination and the spiritual condition of any of their adherents.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    How silly
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Actually the statement fits your lopsided doctrine. You believe that God imputes righteousness to unrighteous people so that works or is consistent with your error that God is unable to judge righteously.
     
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    Ezra Well-Known Member

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    we dont have the authority to make that call . i can say i disagree with the teachings and show scripture to back it up . but judgement belongs to Christ
     
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    Catholics, Orthodox, Liturgical Christians are saved, evangelicals maybe saved but as my Bishop says they are starving to death
     
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    Ezra Well-Known Member

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    yeah we don't have a man made program to follow
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    you mean the program you replaced Catholicism with was created by a women? I didn’t take you for a feminist Ezra!
     
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    Enow Active Member

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    Thank you for sharing your point of view.

    I had come across some Catholics that posted they were not saved yet. Have you?

    I did come across more Catholics that said they were saved though.

    Then there was this charismatic preacher I used to work with, that has been saying Catholics are going to hell until I pointed out that there is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church and they speak in tongues too. Then he changed his mind and said maybe they are saved too.

    Course, I do not believe the preacher nor that church is abiding in Him due to the fact that how they got that tongue is linked to apostasy in the N.T. of 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter by believing the lie that they are receiving the Holy Spirit again for why God permit that strong delusion to occur in order to get that kind of tongue which never comes with interpretation and thus assumed for private use.

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    I believe such damnation is to be forever that vessel unto dshonor but still in His House, but anyway, the reproof is below reminding believers so as to not to follow after them.

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

    They are still brothers reagrdless of being disorderly as Paul pointed out in the next chapter for why we are to withdraw to admonish them.

    2 Thessalonians 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;........ 14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
     
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    People are indoctrinated to believe any number of things....but that doesn't make it real or true. Who cares who thinks they are saved? So what? You can believe your head is a dishwasher...or that you are really a flying squirrel. There's a lot of that spirit going around these days like with the gender dysphoria and all.
     
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    o suppose we use the Bible i cant help what happened in the past only the future . the future is we are not catholics
     
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    see the tongues changed his mind
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Catholic-lite.....
     
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    Ezra Well-Known Member

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    troll!!!! :rolleyes::eek:
     
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    I have never seen anywhere in the RCC doctrines that they relying on there own works, but yes many do sadly, many a Priest are wolves leading there flock astray with all this 3 rate R Catholic rubbish and most RC are swallowing it all, this dribble started with Vatican 2 because it's welcomed with open arms to the masses because they idolise charity but then again so do most Protestants as they are all about works as well, they claim stanchly that they are not but are to pathetic to know that they truly are only doing mans works.
    Now I pointed out charity but that is not Charity mind you, as they are two different things, charity is only of mans works that's it's foundation and Charity is Gods work.
    I hear many prots rant on and on about the 2ed coming praying for it, well that's a work in it's self that they are desperately peddling 24/7 striving to get the so called Jews into the So called State of Israel, they created 2 world wars for it's bastard creation in fact and they give huge money to prop up this false Israel, that is truly controlled by the Satanic Talmud Whore. not to mention not all Jews support this Talmud whore and they see it for what it is.
    God has not created the State that is called Israel, because if He did he would not need a helping hand from all them good works of man that have helped create the bastard State. it's in fact a mans works creation like the Golden Calf was.
    God created the King of Israel ( Jesus Christ ) and no man had a hand in that, that was Gods work in fact. see the difference.
    When one that thinks they are making something for God that is nonsense, the only thing that God asks is for you to abide in him.

    The doctrines of the RCC are totally against mans works, but the Satanist work to bastardise such and put an angle on this.
    Faith alone is a protestant lie, because if you do not have works in Jesus that guide you, so who is guiding you ? no one, just blind faith ? such does not cut the mustard, you need the faith that can move mountains ! you must be truly born again to enter into the kingdom of God and from their on you start doing Gods works. worldly works is Satan's bag.
    So it's Gods works that you need, not good works. good works don't cut it. because who says such is good, one dude called Jesus good teacher and Jesus pointed out this dudes delusion with what this dude thought what was good.
    One must come to Know the Lord Jesus, blind fait does not know or abide in Jesus, but it's a start thank God but the parable of the weeds can choke such and I have seen such many a time destroy ones faith. they come to me and say Reg you still don't believe all that Jesus crap do you like 50 years ago when we were in Church and I say back, absolutely phrase the Lord and much more so, as my faith has grown a thousand fold. Not to mention that I will take all the time in the world to help them come back to God if they want me to Pray for them.
     
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