Is Any Denomination Saved?

[aspen]

Nothing trollish about it. Protestant doctrines are built on the church it tried to break away from.

 

[bbyrd009]

The doctrines of the RCC are totally against mans works

yet if you find yourself orphaned or widowed or strangered and in need you are most likely soon going to be talking to the Catholics lol, weird huh

if you want to volunteer in some capacity, wherever you are in the world, Catholic Charities is usually the clearinghouse. I mean even in places like the deep south, places you wouldnt think.

despite the doctrine. cant say i get it myself. or i can, we gripe about authority, but im pretty sure we would all kill each other pretty quick without them, and imo it is tangentially related to that...but also "service" is not a noun to most Catholics?

 

[Enow]

People are indoctrinated to believe any number of things....but that doesn't make it real or true.

When supported by scripture and Him helping you see the truth in His words, it does.

Who cares who thinks they are saved? So what? You can believe your head is a dishwasher...or that you are really a flying squirrel.

Because it is a work of iniquity to tell any believer they are not saved because that is denying Him that He has saved them for believing in Him.

There's a lot of that spirit going around these days like with the gender dysphoria and all.

I would call that deception rather than a spirit. However , there are a lot of deceptions by spirits when believers depart from faith thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again by a sign or a continual filling by such manifestations; thus after the rudiment of the world and not after Christ, because there is no receiving Him again since our born again of the Spirit salvation moment at the calling of the gospel when we had first believed.

 

[Enow]

see the tongues changed his mind

The same preacher that his daughter complained to me about having a "blue" room arranged for seekers to go back to away from the main congregation to help them shut out all the surrounding noise so they can open themselves up to the "Spirit" to receive in order to get tongues.

Not sure what you would say to that guy, but new age methodology should not apply, right?

Since there has been a supernatural tongue in the world that is just gibberish nonsense and not a foreign language at all of men, that had existed long before the real God's gift of tongues had come at Pentecost, then we need to test the tongues and not just the spirits that bring them.

The Pagan Origins of Modern “Speaking in Tongues”

"His story reminded me of the fact that unintelligible babbling known as “speaking in tongues” in the modern Pentecostal movement is widely practiced in cults and even in non-Christian and pagan religions. Richard Ganz, in 20 Controversies that Almost Killed a Church (p 212) says that this kind of babbling is practiced by Mormons, The Way International, Hindus, Muslims and many others.

But this practice is not only a recent phenomenon, but was common in pagan worship long before Christ came. Robert G. Gromacki, in The Modern Tongues Movement (pp 5-10), documents the history of “speaking in tongues” in antiquity. Some of these ecstatic babbling were reported in the “Report of Wenamon” (about 1100 BC), Plato’s Dialogues (5th century BC), and Virgil’s Aeneid (1st century BC). The Graeco-Roman mystery religions before and after the Christian era most probably practiced these babbling utterances."

The Bible confirms this existence of that kind of tongue in the occult before Pentecost.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

So there is a need to test the tongues and not just the spirits, because it can happen to saved believers.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[Giuliano]

What an amusing thread. . . .

 

[Episkopos]

When supported by scripture and Him helping you see the truth in His words, it does.

Brainwashing ministries do this...use bible verses to convince you that the good verses apply to you. And you want SO much to believe them...that you allow them to do a number on you. But that's how people become religious...and deceived.

 

[Enow]

Brainwashing ministries do this...use bible verses to convince you that the good verses apply to you. And you want SO much to believe them...that you allow them to do a number on you. But that's how people become religious...and deceived.

Paul warned of this as happening in the churches and in greater droves in the latter days;

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Then you can understand next why I point otherwise as Paul points out that iniquity was happening even in his day for why he reminded believers of that tradition to reprove the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again or apart from salvation.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,.... 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way..... 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Side note; such damnation on believers falling away from the faith is becoming that vessel unto dishonor in His House ( unless they repent before the Bridegroom comes )

Now note the reminder to believers on the reproof for that lie so we can avoid that iniquity.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Paul goes on to talk about those falling away as "disorderly" and not after the tradition taught of us for why we are to withdraw from them ( 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 ) but not to treat them as the enemies, but admonish as brothers because they are still saved. ( 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 )

So the deception can come from spirits and not just religious dogma not based on the whole of scripture because it can be reproved by scripture.

 

[Renniks]

I have never seen anywhere in the RCC doctrines that they relying on there own works,

I had trouble following most of your post.
But I've listened to enough Catholic radio to know that they consider the sacraments necessary for salvation. That's unbiblical.

 

[Truther]

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

If they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, they are saved.

Are Evangelicals Saved? They should remember the verses above.

One famous evangelical gave this altar call after giving the gospel as mentioned above;

"If you are not sure you are saved, make a commitment to follow Christ."

Say what? Whatever happened to "If you had called upon the name of the Lord, believe you are saved as promised."

But instead. believers are seeking justification and assurance of salvation by keeping that commitment to follow Christ. No?

Billy Graham is the author of that altar call and in an interview with Tony Snow, he had doubted he would be received by Jesus Christ because he was not always a good Christian?

Tony Snow Interviews Billy Graham

"SNOW: When you get to Heaven, who's going to speak first, you or God?

GRAHAM: When I get there, I'm sure that Jesus is going to say that he
will welcome me. But I think that he's going to say: Well done, our good
and faithful servant. Or he may say: You're in the wrong place.

SNOW: You really worry that you may be told you're in the wrong place?

GRAHAM: Yes, because I have not -- I'm not a righteous man. People put
me up on a pedestal that I don't belong in my personal life. And they
think that I'm better than I am. I'm not the good man that people think
I am. Newspapers and magazines and television have made me out to be a
saint. I'm not. I'm not a Mother Teresa. And I feel that very much."

Say what? Was he judging himself by that commitment to follow Christ whereby is the knowledge of sin? Did he admit to failing in his strength & will power to keep that commitment to follow Christ in order to get that assurance of salvation? Looks that way.

Billy Graham's spirit is with the Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven. Whether or not he had repented of that commitment to rest in Him as saved, I am sure he found out when he was with the Lord in Heaven albeit, he would be sorry for giving that altar call which is the opposite of the gospel he had preached for no one can finish by the flesh what He began.

So before you all speak against the Catholic as not saved, and laboring in unbelief, I will say you should check with what is on your foundation that Jesus Christ laid for you first and see if you are not doing the same thing in another way.

You guys are saved. It is the only way His disciples can testify that He is the Saviour.

But what we build on that foundation will be judged in how we will inherit the kingdom of Heaven which is as a vessel unto honor or as a vessel unto dishonor?

So you all best look to the author and finisher of our faith to help you lay aside every weight & sin because the RCC cannot do it and neither can you do it by the religious flesh. I do. I look to Him to help me run that race everyday. I can tell you to hold confidence in Him to do it by His words which is a promise to all those who believe in Him that seek to abide Him.

So if you do not believe you are saved yet.. better check with the Lord Jesus Christ then.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Catholics are not saved because they skipped Acts 2:38.

Anyone that skips Acts 2 is not saved.

Does this mean they are going to hell? I don't know, but being saved is an insurance policy, kinda like saving our money in a bank from theft.

 

[Enow]

Catholics are not saved because they skipped Acts 2:38.

Anyone that skips Acts 2 is not saved.

How did they skip Acts 2:38? I do not see how they did when they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead.

Does this mean they are going to hell? I don't know, but being saved is an insurance policy, kinda like saving our money in a bank from theft.

Since those whom had never believed in Him or even in His name are already condemned, I'd say yeah.. after they die, they are in hell.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[FollowHim]

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

If they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, they are saved.

Are Evangelicals Saved? They should remember the verses above.

One famous evangelical gave this altar call after giving the gospel as mentioned above;

"If you are not sure you are saved, make a commitment to follow Christ."

Say what? Whatever happened to "If you had called upon the name of the Lord, believe you are saved as promised."

But instead. believers are seeking justification and assurance of salvation by keeping that commitment to follow Christ. No?

Billy Graham is the author of that altar call and in an interview with Tony Snow, he had doubted he would be received by Jesus Christ because he was not always a good Christian?

Tony Snow Interviews Billy Graham

"SNOW: When you get to Heaven, who's going to speak first, you or God?

GRAHAM: When I get there, I'm sure that Jesus is going to say that he
will welcome me. But I think that he's going to say: Well done, our good
and faithful servant. Or he may say: You're in the wrong place.

SNOW: You really worry that you may be told you're in the wrong place?

GRAHAM: Yes, because I have not -- I'm not a righteous man. People put
me up on a pedestal that I don't belong in my personal life. And they
think that I'm better than I am. I'm not the good man that people think
I am. Newspapers and magazines and television have made me out to be a
saint. I'm not. I'm not a Mother Teresa. And I feel that very much."

Say what? Was he judging himself by that commitment to follow Christ whereby is the knowledge of sin? Did he admit to failing in his strength & will power to keep that commitment to follow Christ in order to get that assurance of salvation? Looks that way.

Billy Graham's spirit is with the Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven. Whether or not he had repented of that commitment to rest in Him as saved, I am sure he found out when he was with the Lord in Heaven albeit, he would be sorry for giving that altar call which is the opposite of the gospel he had preached for no one can finish by the flesh what He began.

So before you all speak against the Catholic as not saved, and laboring in unbelief, I will say you should check with what is on your foundation that Jesus Christ laid for you first and see if you are not doing the same thing in another way.

You guys are saved. It is the only way His disciples can testify that He is the Saviour.

But what we build on that foundation will be judged in how we will inherit the kingdom of Heaven which is as a vessel unto honor or as a vessel unto dishonor?

So you all best look to the author and finisher of our faith to help you lay aside every weight & sin because the RCC cannot do it and neither can you do it by the religious flesh. I do. I look to Him to help me run that race everyday. I can tell you to hold confidence in Him to do it by His words which is a promise to all those who believe in Him that seek to abide Him.

So if you do not believe you are saved yet.. better check with the Lord Jesus Christ then.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Are Jesus sheep saved? Yes because He is the Lord and they listen and follow Him.
If you follow Jesus, Amen you are one of His sheep.

I have met many who claim they are of Jesus yet do not listen to Him, do not respect Him, do not follow Him.
Clearly if they did listen to Him or respect Him and follow Him they would know how wrong they are.
And that summarises it all perfectly.

If you are born of the Holy Spirit and have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, you know Him and are sealed in Him.

How many catholics, or others know what I am talking about?
This is literally part of the apostles teaching, so is a clear line one can draw between the saved and unsaved.
It is not hard to know Jesus and His words, take a few hours and start to read them. God bless.

 

[bbyrd009]

Catholics are not saved because they skipped Acts 2:38.

Anyone that skips Acts 2 is not saved.

Does this mean they are going to hell? I don't know, but being saved is an insurance policy, kinda like saving our money in a bank from theft.

and all those who had money in banks during ol Woodrow's little fiasco? Ppl forget so fast, man...

 

[Jane_Doe22]

"His story reminded me of the fact that unintelligible babbling known as “speaking in tongues” in the modern Pentecostal movement is widely practiced in cults and even in non-Christian and pagan religions. Richard Ganz, in 20 Controversies that Almost Killed a Church (p 212) says that this kind of babbling is practiced by Mormons

FYI: "Mormons" don't equate speaking in tongues to being babbling intelligibly. Rather, LDS Christians view the gift of tongues being the ability to speak in a language people do understand, particularly to help preach the Gospel. A missionary being better able to pick up Chinese to preach in China being an example.

 

[Philip James]

I had trouble following most of your post.
But I've listened to enough Catholic radio to know that they consider the sacraments necessary for salvation. That's unbiblical.

Hello Renniks,

Baptism,

Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.

Eucharist,

Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

As to the title question: a Catholic is a Christian. A person whom has accepted Christ as their savior. A person may disagree with parts of Catholic theology (I certainly do), but theology isn't what saves anyone: Christ is.

I think I've said this a million times on this board.

 

[Enow]

Are Jesus sheep saved? Yes because He is the Lord and they listen and follow Him.
If you follow Jesus, Amen you are one of His sheep.

I have met many who claim they are of Jesus yet do not listen to Him, do not respect Him, do not follow Him.
Clearly if they did listen to Him or respect Him and follow Him they would know how wrong they are.
And that summarises it all perfectly.

If you are born of the Holy Spirit and have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, you know Him and are sealed in Him.

How many catholics, or others know what I am talking about?
This is literally part of the apostles teaching, so is a clear line one can draw between the saved and unsaved.
It is not hard to know Jesus and His words, take a few hours and start to read them. God bless.

Are the sheep that follow the stranger's voice saved? They may not be of the fold that follow His voice, but Jesus did say that other sheep He :must" bring because they are the ones that were saved but went astray, following a stranger's voice.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

One could say the Catholic Church scattered the sheep with its errors. And when they have a recent Pope that says do not convert any one, how does that not come across as the hireling that cares not for the sheep?

Now for the fold that followed the stranger's voice as being of that other fold; that other sheep that Jesus must bring.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

So Jesus is the Good Shepherd after all as He will not lose one, but even though they are not of the fold that follow His voice & get left behind, they will when they are resurrected after the great tribulation as they will literally hear His voice as the King of kings.

 

[Renniks]

Hello Renniks,

Baptism,

Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.

Eucharist,

Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

Eating the flesh and drinking the blood are not references to the Eucharist there.
And yes Peter told them to be baptized, but the important part was the repentance. Baptism is the outward symbol, not the act of repentance itself.

 

[Enow]

As to the title question: a Catholic is a Christian. A person whom has accepted Christ as their savior. A person may disagree with parts of Catholic theology (I certainly do), but theology isn't what saves anyone: Christ is.

I think I've said this a million times on this board.

Still, they are to be called to repentance from dead works of Catholicism so they can be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House. Otherwise, works that deny Him ( Titus 1:15-16 ) they will be denied ( 2 Timothy 2:12 & Matthew 7:21-23 ) and cast away ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 & Hebrews 4:1-11 ) be resurrected later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ).

That goes for every other believer since God will judge what we have on that foundation ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & Luke 12:40-49 )

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Philip James]

Eating the flesh and drinking the blood are not references to the Eucharist there.

Said no apostolic community ever. Whom to belive, you, or the teaching of the Church for 2000 years...

And yes Peter told them to be baptized, but the important part was the repentance. Baptism is the outward symbol, not the act of repentance itself.

Baptism conveys the Grace that it also signifies, thus remission of sins by dying with Christ and rising to new life in Him.

So as you see, the sacraments are indeed 'biblical'

Peace!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Still, they are to be called to repentance from dead works of Catholicism so they can be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House. Otherwise, works that deny Him ( Titus 1:15-16 ) they will be denied ( 2 Timothy 2:12 & Matthew 7:21-23 ) and cast away ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 & Hebrews 4:1-11 ) be resurrected later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ).

That goes for every other believer since God will judge what we have on that foundation ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & Luke 12:40-49 )

Thanks for sharing.

We are indeed ALL called to repentance from our false ideas / sins / habits /etc.