Are the clinical trials for COVID vaccines real tests against real infections?

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Enoch111

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That is a very important question, which has not even been formulated, let alone addressed properly.

For a vaccine to be deemed effective against a virus, the vaccinated individual should be exposed to an actual living, breathing, person who has been diagnosed with the disease or infection. And after being exposed, that person should come out of the exposure unscathed – healthy and well. That would show that the vaccine did its job.

I have reviewed the actual study which was conducted jointly by Pfizer and BioNTech and published in the New England Journal of Medicine as noted here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577.

Both Pfizer and Moderna have produced mRNA vaccines (hence the rapid production which has been touted as “Operation Warp Speed”). However, it should be noted that mRNA vaccines simply “trick” the body into thinking that the virus is there. They do not actually contain a modified form of the virus itself, only a replica of the spike protein.

There were 43,548 participants, of whom 21,720 (about half) were injected with the mRNA vaccine called BNT162b2, and with two doses of 30 μg (micrograms) each. The rest were given a placebo. According to the article “The primary end points were efficacy of the vaccine against laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 and safety.”

This simply meant that after receiving the vaccine, the volunteers were checked for symptoms of COVID 19: “fever, new or increased cough, new or increased shortness of breath, chills, new or increased muscle pain, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, diarrhea, or vomiting, combined with a respiratory specimen obtained during the symptomatic period or within 4 days before or after it that was positive for SARS-CoV-2 by nucleic acid amplification–based testing, either at the central laboratory or at a local testing facility (using a protocol-defined acceptable test).”

Based upon this, 95% of those tested showed none of the above symptoms. And this was called the “efficacy” of the vaccine. However, the study does not say (or show) that after vaccination, those individuals were actually exposed to patients who actually had the infection, and were being treated for it. Which means that the “effectiveness” of the vaccine was not even tested.

Absolutely no one has pointed out the obvious fact that in these trials nobody was exposed to the actual virus (not an mRNA protein) and was proved to be immune. Yet there was a lot of hoopla about this vaccine (as well as Moderna’s mRNA vaccine) with emergency approval given by FDA etc., and millions of doses being dispatched to hospitals post-haste.

So just as the positive PCR tests for COVID cannot be deemed to be reliable (based upon the manner in which they are being administered, which is another subject altogether), these vaccines cannot really be deemed to be “effective” against real, nasty, infections, where vaccinated people have been actually exposed to an infected individual (or many individuals) and come away healthy and strong.

And all this has been happening at the same time as the highly effective HCQ combo pack has been denied to people who were showing symptoms. So you should draw you own conclusions.

Furthermore, those with allergies have shown severe reactions, and have been advised not to take the second dose. Then we have the matter of the stability of this vaccine, which requires extremely low temperatures (-70 C) in order to remain stable. That requirement is extremely demanding, and may not even be available in most locations. So by the time someone is vaccinated, the vaccine might be next to useless (particularly if there is a temporary power outage).
 
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Is this your own original research and analysis or is this from another source?
 

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That is a very important question, which has not even been formulated, let alone addressed properly.

For a vaccine to be deemed effective against a virus, the vaccinated individual should be exposed to an actual living, breathing, person who has been diagnosed with the disease or infection. And after being exposed, that person should come out of the exposure unscathed – healthy and well. That would show that the vaccine did its job.

I have reviewed the actual study which was conducted jointly by Pfizer and BioNTech and published in the New England Journal of Medicine as noted here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577.

Both Pfizer and Moderna have produced mRNA vaccines (hence the rapid production which has been touted as “Operation Warp Speed”). However, it should be noted that mRNA vaccines simply “trick” the body into thinking that the virus is there. They do not actually contain a modified form of the virus itself, only a replica of the spike protein.

There were 43,548 participants, of whom 21,720 (about half) were injected with the mRNA vaccine called BNT162b2, and with two doses of 30 μg (micrograms) each. The rest were given a placebo. According to the article “The primary end points were efficacy of the vaccine against laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 and safety.”

This simply meant that after receiving the vaccine, the volunteers were checked for symptoms of COVID 19: “fever, new or increased cough, new or increased shortness of breath, chills, new or increased muscle pain, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, diarrhea, or vomiting, combined with a respiratory specimen obtained during the symptomatic period or within 4 days before or after it that was positive for SARS-CoV-2 by nucleic acid amplification–based testing, either at the central laboratory or at a local testing facility (using a protocol-defined acceptable test).”

Based upon this, 95% of those tested showed none of the above symptoms. And this was called the “efficacy” of the vaccine. However, the study does not say (or show) that after vaccination, those individuals were actually exposed to patients who actually had the infection, and were being treated for it. Which means that the “effectiveness” of the vaccine was not even tested.

Absolutely no one has pointed out the obvious fact that in these trials nobody was exposed to the actual virus (not an mRNA protein) and was proved to be immune. Yet there was a lot of hoopla about this vaccine (as well as Moderna’s mRNA vaccine) with emergency approval given by FDA etc., and millions of doses being dispatched to hospitals post-haste.

So just as the positive PCR tests for COVID cannot be deemed to be reliable (based upon the manner in which they are being administered, which is another subject altogether), these vaccines cannot really be deemed to be “effective” against real, nasty, infections, where vaccinated people have been actually exposed to an infected individual (or many individuals) and come away healthy and strong.

And all this has been happening at the same time as the highly effective HCQ combo pack has been denied to people who were showing symptoms. So you should draw you own conclusions.

Furthermore, those with allergies have shown severe reactions, and have been advised not to take the second dose. Then we have the matter of the stability of this vaccine, which requires extremely low temperatures (-70 C) in order to remain stable. That requirement is extremely demanding, and may not even be available in most locations. So by the time someone is vaccinated, the vaccine might be next to useless (particularly if there is a temporary power outage).

Hmm... Interesting... Its the first ive heard of it... I know that they don't expose the people in the trials directly to the virus because they say it is unethical. Your saying they were supposed to expose the people being tested to people with covid and they didn't... Well it makes sense... How else can they say its effective... I think they waited for a certain number to get infected then counted to see how many were from the placebo group and how many were from the vax group.