Article Link Catholic Church Changes Stance

[Miss Hepburn]

http://www.timesonline.co...europe/article574768.ece

Didn't know if anyone saw this.

Sorry, typo on accuracy - tried, but failed to change it. ;)

 

[bud02]

Nothing new to me here, the Catholic church has from the beginning chosen traditions over the word. Tradition trumps scripture every time just debate on catholic answers and see for yourself.
After you disprove the bible, and establish yourself as the single intercessor between God and man you pretty much completely control your followers.

working link
http://www.timesonli...ticle574768.ece

The headline should read

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible


Catholic Church "officially / publicly" no longer swears by truth of the Bible

 

[aspen]

So Bud,

Were you thinking about reconciling with the Catholic Church, before this article came out?

Peace

 

[bud02]

So Bud,

Were you thinking about reconciling with the Catholic Church, before this article came out?

Peace

When they finally wake up and realize that they are not who they believe they are.

The Catholic Council of Trent in 1545 declared this:
We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold primacy over the whole world.i
i The Most Holy Councils Volume XIII, Column 1167.

In the same century, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine stated this:
All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.[sup]ii
[/sup]ii Robert Bellarmine, On the Authority of Councils Volume 2: 266.

In 1895 an article from the Catholic National said this:
The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.[sup]iii[/sup]

Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods (emphasis added).[sup]ix[/sup]

ix Decretales Domini Gregori IX Translatione Episcoporum, ("On the Transference of Bishops"), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), Column 99; (Paris, 1612).




The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth (emphasis added).[sup]x[/sup]
x Quoted in the New York Catechism.

 

[aspen]

Are we allowed to have interfaith dialog on this board? Because these charges need to be addressed or not allowed to be posted.

 

[Martin W.]

http://www.timesonli...ticle574768.ece

Didn't know if anyone saw this.

Sorry, typo on accuracy - tried, but failed to change it. ;)

Katherin Hepburn

I quickly read the article (thank you)

But that is not what I really wanted to say.

What I really wanted to say is that in the near future a publication will come out that confirms that every single word of the bible should be considered accurate.

This publication focuses on a couple of the most (obscure) verses in the bible. Even the bible believer would tend to admit these verses must be a mistake or a typo by a scribe.

It is as though the Lord has used a couple of the most obscure (and hard to believe) verses to show himself Holy to modern man. And he has proven it in recent times. A jury of 12 atheists would have to confirm it. That is all I can say for now. I am not trying to be evasive , but proof is forthcoming. Never give up in believing every single word. Proof is coming. It is from above. It is about time.

May you have a kind and wonderful day.

Arnie Martin Woodside,

 

[Martin W.]

Are we allowed to have interfaith dialog on this board? Because these charges need to be addressed or not allowed to be posted.

Not completely sure why I respond to your post. I hate interfaith denominational arguments. They serve no purpose other than to see who does the most research , who has the most knowledge, and who can paste the longest copies of somebody else's opinion.

Like I said , it serves no purpose other than pride in postings.

I repeat .... pride in postings. I have it too sometimes.

This forum has a policy to not allow denominational debates. I would not disagree, but this forum is just as denominational as all the other denominations. We are all the same. Them and us , only we are not them. Right?

Who is fooling who?

On this forum we have an abundance of (sometimes one time posters) who post a controversial topic and then disappear. It is like throwing a hand grenade over a wall and running away.

They do not really care about you or me.

I tend to put little effort into replying to people who do not care about the Christian Church that Jesus Christ is trying to build in this world.

Some build , some throw grenades, some argue denominations , in the meantime Jesus builds his church.

I try my best to be in tune with his plans.

I have varying degrees of success.

My summary? Not easy. I do not know the answers. I love debate and love to learn something new. I appreciate The Holy Spirit working in my life. Sometimes I hate it when he changes me. I fight hard. Sometimes he wins.

I feel that when he wins (when I allow him to) then at that moment I can add a tiny fraction of a tiny bit of help as Jesus builds his Church on the face of this earth using The Holy Spirit when we allow.

We do not often allow.

I am one of them. Yet He has not given up on me. You either. Nor all the readers.

A. Martin M.
Woodside

 

[Doppleganger]

I think the most obscure & hard to believe bible story is Jonah's.

Oh, yea the Catholic Church just declared Homer Simpson a true catholic too!

http://www.telegraph...e-Catholic.html
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1004335.htm

or google it!

 

[bud02]

Are we allowed to have interfaith dialog on this board? Because these charges need to be addressed or not allowed to be posted.

I find it interesting that you oppose the posting of Vatican publications and statements.
All the sources are posted for every statement. In light of that perhaps a forum rule was violated but not by me.
Such statements were never made by Jesus, even tho He has the right to. I find them very offensive but the fact is the Vaticans history and current reference resources are full of these official publications.
If you object your objection is miss placed, you should direct it at the ones who made such claims not the one that that points them out.

[quote

Christianity Board Rules

]Blasphemy will not be tolerated. This forum is intended for a Christian audience. Those who are not of the Christian faith are welcome to sign up but will be relegated to private forum discussion with staff members only. Any derogatory remarks about God (including the Son and Holy Spirit) will be removed. The same goes for remarks about Christianity. Do not hold the Bible to be the Word of God? We are not interested, then.[/quote]

I"ll point to another disclaimer from the Catholic church and let others determine what they think.
From the catholic library.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
The Bible Only?



Since the Immaculate Conception and Assumption are not explicit in Scripture, Fundamentalists conclude that the doctrines are false. Here, of course, we get into an entirely separate matter, the question of sola scriptura, or the Protestant "Bible only" theory. There is no room in this tract to consider that idea. Let it just be said that if the position of the Catholic Church is true, then the notion of sola scriptura is false. There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.

The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly—guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (John 14:26, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something is definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (cf. Matt. 28:18-20, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).

NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004

IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004​

As you can see by the rules of this forum such statements from a member would be considered Blasphemy.

This statement
The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly

Echos this one
The Catholic Council of Trent in 1545 declared this:
We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold primacy over the whole world.i
i The Most Holy Councils Volume XIII, Column 1167.

So whats your problem Aspen?

 

[Selene]

Nothing new to me here, the Catholic church has from the beginning chosen traditions over the word. Tradition trumps scripture every time just debate on catholic answers and see for yourself.
After you disprove the bible, and establish yourself as the single intercessor between God and man you pretty much completely control your followers.

working link
http://www.timesonli...ticle574768.ece

The headline should read

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible


Catholic Church "officially / publicly" no longer swears by truth of the Bible

I cannot find any such document in any of the Catholic websites. Could you provide this Catholic document saying that Catholic bishops are telling their followers not to follow the Bible. Thank you.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[bud02]

I cannot find any such document in any of the Catholic websites. Could you provide this Catholic document saying that Catholic bishops are telling their followers not to follow the Bible. Thank you.

In Christ,
Selene

Thats a nice play on words "Catholic bishops are telling their followers not to follow the Bible".
But thats exactly what happens when you tell people only "you" the Pope and your self elected buddies can interpret scripture.
The truth is, Catholic Bishops teaching surpasses scripture, and or your understanding of the bible.
And of course as to interpreting scripture that base is covered in The Catechism of the Catholic Church
To be right honest Selene I have no Idea why you come here, its against the teachings of your church for you to have a personal opinion about scripture.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church
ARTICLE 2 100
100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.
http://www.vatican.v...sm/p1s1c2a2.htm

So much for scripture
received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11

"And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?" Mark 12:24

Who does the interpreting?
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..." John 16:13

"Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." 1 Corinthians 2:13


All in all the Catholic doctrine is nothing more than a circular argument that enslaves its followers to the Magisterium of the Church.


Heres my favorite reference and quote from the The Immaculate Conception Catholic library. "Link and quote below".

Let it just be said that if the position of the Catholic Church is true, then the notion of sola scriptura is false.
Now thats pretty clear you ether believe us or the Bible. :blink:

There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.
But as we see from the The Catechism of the Catholic Church ARTICLE 2 100 you cant determine if it's contrary or not, only they can. :blink: double dizzy :blink:

Heres the source of the above statements and my comment.
http://www.catholic....n_and_Assum.asp

The Bible Only?


Since the Immaculate Conception and Assumption are not explicit in Scripture, Fundamentalists conclude that the doctrines are false. Here, of course, we get into an entirely separate matter, the question of sola scriptura, or the Protestant "Bible only" theory. There is no room in this tract to consider that idea. Let it just be said that if the position of the Catholic Church is true, then the notion of sola scriptura is false. There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.

The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly—guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (John 14:26, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something is definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (cf. Matt. 28:18-20, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).

NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004

IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004​

 

[aspen]

This thread has become a disgrace to the site and should be locked.

The only reason certain members are pursuing it is to alienate the Christians on this board who happen to be Catholic.

Unfortunately, the rules of the board permit only a one sided show - with no opportunity for Catholics to set the record straight.

Disguisting

 

[Selene]

Thats a nice play on words "Catholic bishops are telling their followers not to follow the Bible".
But thats exactly what happens when you tell people only "you" the Pope and your self elected buddies can interpret scripture.
The truth is, Catholic Bishops teaching surpasses scripture, and or your understanding of the bible.
And of course as to interpreting scripture that base is covered in The Catechism of the Catholic Church
To be right honest Selene I have no Idea why you come here, its against the teachings of your church for you to have a personal opinion about scripture.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church
ARTICLE 2 100
100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.
http://www.vatican.v...sm/p1s1c2a2.htm

So much for scripture
received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11

"And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?" Mark 12:24

Who does the interpreting?
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..." John 16:13

"Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." 1 Corinthians 2:13


All in all the Catholic doctrine is nothing more than a circular argument that enslaves its followers to the Magisterium of the Church.


Heres my favorite reference and quote from the The Immaculate Conception Catholic library. "Link and quote below".

Let it just be said that if the position of the Catholic Church is true, then the notion of sola scriptura is false.
Now thats pretty clear you ether believe us or the Bible. :blink:

There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.
But as we see from the The Catechism of the Catholic Church ARTICLE 2 100 you cant determine if it's contrary or not, only they can. :blink: double dizzy :blink:

Heres the source of the above statements and my comment.
http://www.catholic....n_and_Assum.asp

The Bible Only?


Since the Immaculate Conception and Assumption are not explicit in Scripture, Fundamentalists conclude that the doctrines are false. Here, of course, we get into an entirely separate matter, the question of sola scriptura, or the Protestant "Bible only" theory. There is no room in this tract to consider that idea. Let it just be said that if the position of the Catholic Church is true, then the notion of sola scriptura is false. There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.

The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly—guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (John 14:26, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something is definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (cf. Matt. 28:18-20, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).

NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004

IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004​

My brother, you seem to have a lot of hatred for Catholics. Did you not learn anything from the Bible that you say is your sole authority? The Bible did say to love your neighbor and your enemies. The Catholic Church does not take away any of my personal opinions. I don't need to interpret Sacred Scripture at all because the Catholic Church has already interpreted everything in the Bible while you are still interpreting it today. We are 2000 years ahead of you.

I also requested a Catholic document showing that the Church is saying that we are not to follow Scripture. Instead, you show me a Catholic website that explains the Immaculate Conception? :unsure: There is nothing in that website that tells Catholics not to follow the Bible. If you had read about the Immaculate Conception, it is actually aligned with the Bible.

After all, we do not believe that Jesus Christ was born of sin nor came from sin. We believe that He had nothing to do with sin whatsoever. We believe that with God all things is possible. We know that God can create a clean vessel to hold His Son. We do not limit His power and we know that God's power is beyond human logic. We do not try to explain God's power through our human logic. We simply have faith. It is not my problem that you do not have this kind of faith and would need to conform God's almighty powers into your human logic.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[bud02]

My brother, you seem to have a lot of hatred for Catholics. Did you not learn anything from the Bible that you say is your sole authority? The Bible did say to love your neighbor and your enemies. The Catholic Church does not take away any of my personal opinions. And I don't interpret Sacred Scripture at all. The Catholic Church has already interpreted everything in the Bible while you are still interpreting it today. We are 2000 years ahead of you.

Most Catholics take the same statement with anyone that questions or points out the non scriptural support for its teachings. Its not hatred its comparing what is taught with the scriptures, any Catholic Bishop will not argue the point that traditions practiced by the catholic church are not found in scripture. Loving your neighbor is looking out for them. The new covenant that was preached does not say that Jesus appointed a teacher a man that would interpret Jesus message until His return. The verses I provided "above post" say that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. Also Jeremiah 31-31 threw 40 teaches differently.

[sup]31[/sup] “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— [sup]32[/sup] not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[sup][a][/sup] says the LORD. [sup]33[/sup] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [sup]34[/sup] No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Just where does the Catholic churches statement fit into this verse and the NT verses I quoted in my last post?
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
ARTICLE 2 100
100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.

But you don't have an opinion because you state that the Catholic Church has already interpreted everything in the Bible. And just where is this commentary located?

I also requested a Catholic document showing that the Church is saying that we are not to follow Scripture. Instead, you show me a Catholic website that explains the Immaculate Conception?

There is nothing in that website that tells Catholics not to follow the Bible. If you had read about the Immaculate Conception, it is actually aligned with the Bible.

Aligned as long as you only listen to the Pope and his Magisterium, you may believe that only they can interpret scripture, or more apply put are born of the Spirit, but I don't.

After all, we do not believe that Jesus Christ was born of sin nor came from sin. We believe that He had nothing to do with sin whatsoever. We believe that with God all things is possible. We know that God can create a clean vessel to hold His Son. We do not limit His power and we know that God's power is beyond human logic. We do not try to explain God's power through our human logic. We simply have faith. It is not my problem that you do not have this kind of faith and would need to conform God's almighty powers into your human logic.

What you believe is your business, but you don't believe in the same Jesus as I do, your Jesus was born from some demi god you call Mary.
I use the term demi god because of the supernatural "divine" qualities you and your church bestow on her. Your churches official statement says this teaching can not be supported by scripture. The Jesus that I know was born from a woman named Mary that shared in the same flesh as I do. Now you can call it what you want, I call it claiming Jesus did not come in the flesh as John taught in 1 John 4. In light of that i do wish you would refrain from calling me brother, I am not your brother, it infers that we share a common understanding of Jesus, we don't. You believe that only a small number of your churches leaders understand or are in touch with Jesus threw the Spirit, I completely disagree and so did the Apostles and Prophets.

[sup]18[/sup] Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[sup][c][/sup] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [sup]19[/sup] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
[sup]20[/sup] But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. [sup]21[/sup] I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
[sup]22[/sup] Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. [sup]23[/sup] Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
[sup]24[/sup] Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. [sup]25[/sup] And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.
[sup]26[/sup] These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. [sup]27[/sup] But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will[sup][e][/sup] abide in Him.

 

[aspen]

So, I guess looking out for Catholics includes hiding on a site that will not allow dialog?
True without context is like legos - it can be stacked in any manner you choose to stack it.

 

[bud02]

So, I guess looking out for Catholics includes hiding on a site that will not allow dialog?
True without context is like legos - it can be stacked in any manner you choose to stack it.

I assure you I speak the same in person as I do here.

I do believe you have found some excuse for not speaking the truth as you see it.
You do know that the Apostles and many many others lost their lives for speaking the truth.
Yet you are impeded by a pubic forum? I what way?
To summarize, you can't endure loss or persecution for the truth you profess? Then it is not worth speaking of is it.

 

[aspen]

I assure you I speak the same in person as I do here.

I do believe you have found some excuse for not speaking the truth as you see it.
You do know that the Apostles and many many others lost their lives for speaking the truth.
Yet you are impeded by a pubic forum? I what way?
To summarize, you can't endure loss or persecution for the truth you profess? Then it is not worth speaking of is it.

Are you asking me to break the rules? Why? If you are really interested in having a conversation about Catholicism, there are plenty of places to do so on the internet or over email. If on the other hand, you are only interested in presenting your ideas about Catholicism without fear of correction - it looks like you have found the right place.

Peace

 

[bud02]

Are you asking me to break the rules? Why? If you are really interested in having a conversation about Catholicism, there are plenty of places to do so on the internet or over email. If on the other hand, you are only interested in presenting your ideas about Catholicism without fear of correction - it looks like you have found the right place.

Peace

Selene is a far better example of your faith.
We are debating personal understanding in context of scripture vs catholic teachers, or teachings.
Im sorry you are not mature enough to enter into the conversation, or if it be the case afraid of violating Hammerstones judgment if our conversation goes beyond his definition of appropriate. There is a button labeled report. If you have not done so I suggest that you use it., if you feel this thread is out of context.

 

[Selene]

Most Catholics take the same statement with anyone that questions or points out the non scriptural support for its teachings. Its not hatred its comparing what is taught with the scriptures, any Catholic Bishop will not argue the point that traditions practiced by the catholic church are not found in scripture. Loving your neighbor is looking out for them. The new covenant that was preached does not say that Jesus appointed a teacher a man that would interpret Jesus message until His return. The verses I provided "above post" say that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. Also Jeremiah 31-31 threw 40 teaches differently.

My brother, the Bible says that not everything that Jesus said and did was written down (John 21:25). You follow only what you interpret in Sacred Scripture. We, on the other hand, follow Sacred Scripture and the Apostolic Traditions that was passed down by the Apostles.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

As you can see, St. Paul speaks of a tradition that does not come from man. It came from the Apostles through the Holy Spirit. Where is this Apostolic Tradition in your church? You only have the Bible. We have both the Bible AND the Apostolic Tradition that St. Paul speaks about. In other words, we have the FULL revelation of Christ, while you only have one-half of it since you only depend on the Bible and nothing more.

My brother, it is the Apostles who taught through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. God has always used people. So, what makes you think that God stopped using people? He used the prophets and the Apostles to teach and preach, and these prophets and Apostles taught and preached through the Holy Spirit in them. Our priests and bishops also teach and preach through this same Holy Spirit. Your belief that everything is taught only through the Holy Spirit WITHOUT involving men is NOT biblical. God had always used people to speak through them with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. What makes you think He changed His mind today?

Just where does the Catholic churches statement fit into this verse and the NT verses I quoted in my last post?
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
ARTICLE 2 100
100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.

But you don't have an opinion because you state that the Catholic Church has already interpreted everything in the Bible. And just where is this commentary located?

This Catechism that you quote fits in with 2 Peter 1:20 and Hebrews 13:17. St. Peter tells us that we are not supposed to make any private interpretation of Scripture on our own. Why? Because we would end up with so many different interpretations, which explains why there are so many different Protestant sects....so many different bodies. In the Catholic faith, there is only one body of Christ. We are not splintered into different parts like those of our Protestant brothers.

Also, the Letter to the Hebrews tells us to obey our priests and bishops who rule over us. Like the Apostles, they were chosen and sent by God and Christ commanded us to obey them. Why? To prepare us for Heaven. Do you not know that in Heaven, all the angels and saints must obey God. Did you honestly think that you can just do whatever you want in Heaven? If we obey our priests and bishops who were sent by God, then we can obey God. If you cannot obey the leaders of your church, then what makes you think you can obey God? God also tells us to obey our mother and father for the same reason. If you cannot obey your parents, what makes you think you can obey God?

So, yes, we entrust the interpretation of Scripture to the Church because we know that Christ established our Church and He is the Head of our Church with the Holy Spirit dwelling in her. If you believe that Christ is the Head of YOUR church, you would also obey the interpretation of your church leaders. But instead, you go against 2 Peter 1:20 and rely on your interpretation?

What you believe is your business, but you don't believe in the same Jesus as I do, your Jesus was born from some demi god you call Mary.
I use the term demi god because of the supernatural "divine" qualities you and your church bestow on her. Your churches official statement says this teaching can not be supported by scripture.

My brother, you should then address your complaint to Jesus rather than to us because we are only imitating what Jesus did. God's commandments says to honor your mother and father (Exodus 20:12). Jesus followed all the commandments including the one that says "honor your mother and father." Jesus honored His Father, who is God. He also honored His mother, Mary. Do you know what the word "honor" means in Hebrew? The word "honor" in Hebrew is "kavad." It means to "GLORIFY." So, yes, Christ glorified His Father and His mother, Mary. In fact, Jesus even made Himself subject to His mother. We, on the other hand, follow in Christ's footsteps by doing the same things He did.

Luke 2:51 And He went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And His mother kept all these words in her heart.

Now you can call it what you want, I call it claiming Jesus did not come in the flesh as John taught in 1 John 4. In light of that i do wish you would refrain from calling me brother, I am not your brother, it infers that we share a common understanding of Jesus, we don't. You believe that only a small number of your churches leaders understand or are in touch with Jesus threw the Spirit, I completely disagree and so did the Apostles and Prophets.

How sad. For someone who calls himself a Christian, you do not recognize that all of mankind was made in the image of God, and this is in the Bible. I call you "brother" because I recognize this and also because I follow the teachings of the Apostles. It was St. Paul who called the pagans in Athens "children of God" thereby making them our "brothers." (See Acts 17:28-29). God bless. :)

In Christ,
Selene

 

[Dr. Jonathan Österman]

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