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While reading through my Christian Post app, I came to this article by Chuck Colson.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-imago-dei-and-liberalism-65106/

I really recommend reading the entire thing, but I will pick out a couple key points:

Remember, Christianity, while recognizing the real but limited authority of government, always recognized individual freedom in the context of community; and as community members, individuals had certain responsibilities and live within a defined moral framework.

When you remove that Christian moral framework as modern liberalism does, what do you have left? A situation, as theologian Michael Novak recently explained in a brilliant Weekly Standard Article, where “There is no universal moral law of reason or religion and the value choices of individuals trump everything.”

That’s exactly the thinking behind Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy’s absurd statement that “At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

As the article continues on to summarize, you end up with the state being the arbiter between competing personal desires. Al-la the numerous decisions we see in the legal arena and court of public opinion. This is probably most strongly illustrated on the "right" side by Ron Paul, who is on record as stating that we as citizens should be able to do what we want with our bodies in reference to legalizing many drugs.

It seems to me that Christianity is a social religion in the sense that we are commanded by Jesus to go forth and make disciples. We've lost that sense of community, and liberalism (little l) has evolved to this idea that personal rights trump all. Both Democrats AND Republicans subscribe to this tradition in varying forms.
 

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While reading through my Christian Post app, I came to this article by Chuck Colson.

http://www.christian...beralism-65106/

I really recommend reading the entire thing, but I will pick out a couple key points:



As the article continues on to summarize, you end up with the state being the arbiter between competing personal desires. Al-la the numerous decisions we see in the legal arena and court of public opinion. This is probably most strongly illustrated on the "right" side by Ron Paul, who is on record as stating that we as citizens should be able to do what we want with our bodies in reference to legalizing many drugs.

It seems to me that Christianity is a social religion in the sense that we are commanded by Jesus to go forth and make disciples. We've lost that sense of community, and liberalism (little l) has evolved to this idea that personal rights trump all. Both Democrats AND Republicans subscribe to this tradition in varying forms.

Agreed!
 

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Isa 32:5-8
5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

In the 1611 KJV era, the word "liberal" meant a noble and generous person. It was often associated with the aristocracy and royalty in doing for the people under their care and responsibility. Today, it's used in place of a political position that accepts Leftist ideas, often radical ideas associated with revolution, anarchy, and overthrow.

A "churl" is put for a scoundrel, a knave (wicked person). The time God speaks of here is of today, when the acts of a scoundrel or rascal are idolized, when they're actually wicked acts.

So there's a putting evil for good, and good for evil in today's society; happening just like God said it would.


6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.
(KJV)

The original meaning of the world 'liberal' was associated with righteous acts only, not with man's politics that has hijacked that word.
 

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Veteran - I think it is simplistic to decide that Liberals are bad and Conservatives are good. From my perspective, all the negative stereotypes belong to conservatives - greed, radical individualism, lack of empathy for the poor and downtrodden, valuing being 'right' or being 'merciful', using up the Earth's resources like a roll of toilet paper, nationalism, exceptionalism, exploitation of people considered to be 'less than' (third world nations, immigrants, working poor), and relying on slave labor yet resenting the slaves who do the work - illegal farm workers.

So who is right?
 

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Veteran - I think it is simplistic to decide that Liberals are bad and Conservatives are good. From my perspective, all the negative stereotypes belong to conservatives - greed, radical individualism, lack of empathy for the poor and downtrodden, valuing being 'right' or being 'merciful', using up the Earth's resources like a roll of toilet paper, nationalism, exceptionalism, exploitation of people considered to be 'less than' (third world nations, immigrants, working poor), and relying on slave labor yet resenting the slaves who do the work - illegal farm workers.

So who is right?

Per the original meaning, liberal is about freedom and good things. I know we disagree about Socialism-Communism, but that's exactly why they have hijacked the word liberal. Communism is actually the antithesis of the idea of liberalism in the original sense of the word.

Problem is, the money powers have also hijacked the real meaning of 'conservative'. Both conservative and liberal are words that belong in the same sentence, per their original meaning. When I was growing up, the word conservative applied to Christian principles from God's Word The Bible. But the word liberal applied to radical Leftist revolutionaries who sought to overthrow the Christian way of life.

The revolutionaries of the French Revolution, the Jacobin clubs of continental Masonry that were behind it, applied the word 'liberty' as a guise for their revolution against the monarchy of France. The Masonic watchwords were, "Equality, liberty, fraternity, brotherhood." Those watchwords are nothing but a guise for the principalities and powers towards forming their world Utopia. They represent political takeover of all governments, monarchs, and destruction of Christianity (per Weishaupt's Illuminati papers discovered by Bavarian officials in the late 1700's).
 

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Per the original meaning, liberal is about freedom and good things. I know we disagree about Socialism-Communism, but that's exactly why they have hijacked the word liberal. Communism is actually the antithesis of the idea of liberalism in the original sense of the word.

Problem is, the money powers have also hijacked the real meaning of 'conservative'. Both conservative and liberal are words that belong in the same sentence, per their original meaning. When I was growing up, the word conservative applied to Christian principles from God's Word The Bible. But the word liberal applied to radical Leftist revolutionaries who sought to overthrow the Christian way of life.

The revolutionaries of the French Revolution, the Jacobin clubs of continental Masonry that were behind it, applied the word 'liberty' as a guise for their revolution against the monarchy of France. The Masonic watchwords were, "Equality, liberty, fraternity, brotherhood." Those watchwords are nothing but a guise for the principalities and powers towards forming their world Utopia. They represent political takeover of all governments, monarchs, and destruction of Christianity (per Weishaupt's Illuminati papers discovered by Bavarian officials in the late 1700's).

I understand what you are saying - I think it is a fairly grim assessment. Although I am an optimist, I also have a solid streak of realism within me so I do acknowledge that there is powerful and evil forces in the world. All I can say is that I do not have any control over any of those powers and evil forces, nor do I have any real understanding of how they operate; all I can do is love and serve my neighbor. I believe strongly in a social gospel. If we are not applying what we have learned from prayer and the Bible and applying it - we will die on the vine.
 

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While reading through my Christian Post app, I came to this article by Chuck Colson.

http://www.christian...beralism-65106/

I really recommend reading the entire thing, but I will pick out a couple key points:



As the article continues on to summarize, you end up with the state being the arbiter between competing personal desires. Al-la the numerous decisions we see in the legal arena and court of public opinion. This is probably most strongly illustrated on the "right" side by Ron Paul, who is on record as stating that we as citizens should be able to do what we want with our bodies in reference to legalizing many drugs.

It seems to me that Christianity is a social religion in the sense that we are commanded by Jesus to go forth and make disciples. We've lost that sense of community, and liberalism (little l) has evolved to this idea that personal rights trump all. Both Democrats AND Republicans subscribe to this tradition in varying forms.
Same hear in Australia the gov will say what they want you to do as they are not interested in what the people think but are telling us what to think. and it's a load of bull. i thought they were to ones that worked for the benefit for us as a nation but they clearly are not. as they are all in lust with the UN. and the UN is their god. and these morons have passed laws that like 90% of people do not want.
Jesus was not PC.
the new community is PC and it is the new trendy god. it's just another version of Hitlers but this time just done the fabian way. and most people can not see it coming until it's to late. millions will die and they have been planing it all, letting drugs run rampant and destroying industries every where and borrowing money like theirs no tomorrow and the money is just wasted like a total fool would do. as all the dim wits running the gov have never ran a business themselves and it shows. and when they have been made look like the fools they are by even the village idiot they just put on a big stupid smile and walk away with some stupid remark.