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MatthewG

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There are people that assume which they get from the Bible that they are to assume authority over others an a persons faith, and they will try to make you submit to whatever it is they are doing to conform to their Will and ways.

This can happen even in Material Brick and Mortar Churches, which assume they have some type of Authority, even Roman Catholic will try to justify the says as they were founded by Peter.

There is no authority over a believer save Jesus Christ himself who himself is head of the Royal priesthood who governs over the body of believers who have faith in Him.

Never be persuaded by others and what they may say, but you have the ability to go to God directly without any hesitation in prayer, Jesus is the High Priest and you are able to directly commune with God because of Him, by the spirit in prayer.

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That is cool brother. Just sharing the light of Gods truth which is hard for people to bear.

God bless you and your family.
 

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God's design and establishment of Authority

"Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you" (Hebrews 13:17). Yes, the Bible clearly states that God gives some individuals spiritual authority over others. There are various levels of authority in any person’s life, and each of these levels may involve different people in different positions of authority. Of course, we must begin with the highest authority, which is God. Genesis 1:1 states, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Everything that exists was created by God, and by that fact, God has ultimate authority, or sovereignty, over all things. When Moses delivered the law to the Israelites, God’s sovereign authority was the basis on which they were to submit to it (Deuteronomy 4:39–40).

When Job was wrestling with the problem of pain and suffering in his life, he acknowledged that God made all things, and no one is able to challenge His authority (Job 9:1–12). In the Old Testament, one of the titles reflecting this authority is “the most high God” (Genesis 14:22), and in the New Testament, He is called “Lord of heaven and earth” (Acts 17:24). Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, holds all authority (Matthew 28:18) and has distributed some of that authority to various people on earth. Because of our sinful nature, and because of the abuses or failures of authority that we have experienced, most people struggle on occasion with submitting to authorities.

One level of authority that God has granted to men is civil or governmental. Romans 13:1–6 states that “the powers that be are ordained of God.” Whether rulers are believers or not, and whether they recognize it or not, their civil authority is actually a type of spiritual authority, for “they are God’s ministers,” exercising power on God’s behalf. When we resist their authority, we are actually resisting God. The Bible reminds us in Colossians 3:22–24 that our submission and service to human authorities should be done “heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men.”

Another level of authority established by God is within the home. Ephesians 5:22–24 commands wives to submit to their husbands as they would submit to God, because the husband is the head of the wife, just as Christ is the Head of the church. This ladder of authority is stated again in 1 Corinthians 11:3, showing the woman submitting to the man, who submits to Christ, who submits to the Father. Children are commanded to submit to their parents in Ephesians 6:1, and Colossians 3:20 adds that this is well pleasing to God.

Just as God established authority within civil government and the home, so He established specific authority within the church. As Christians, we are all joint-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17) and have full access to God by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2:18). Though God is no respecter of persons (Romans 2:11), He has chosen to place some in positions of authority for the sake of order and growth (Ephesians 4:11–13). The early church recognized the authority of the apostles and submitted to their teaching and direction (Acts 6:2; 15:2). Next to the apostles in authority were the elders, or pastors, of the churches. As Paul and Barnabas established churches in their missionary journeys (Acts 14:23), they ordained elders in every church. These elders (presbyters) were responsible for teaching (pastoring), supervising (being a bishop), and being examples to the church (1 Peter 5:1–3). As spiritual leaders, these elders have a greater responsibility to God (James 3:1) and must meet the qualifications God has established (Titus 1:5–9; 1 Timothy 3:1–7). Believers are told to acknowledge and respect those who are over them in spiritual matters (1 Thessalonians 5:12–13) and even to support them financially (1 Timothy 5:17–18).

In matters of authority, the underlying guiding principle is submission. First Peter 5:5–6 says, “Young men, in the same way be submissive to those who are older. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, ‘God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.’ Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time.” In God’s matchless wisdom, He has chosen some to hold authority and others to be under that authority. Perhaps the most surprising thing is that He has also taught that one of the highest qualifications for those in positions of authority is humility. “If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all” (Mark 9:35). This is the example that Jesus, the highest spiritual authority, gave when He became the humblest of all and submitted to die in our place (Philippians 2:7–11).got questions

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Thank you for sharing Chris..

The above in the first post is talking about how there is no authority over one spiritually.

Such as another person in faith does not have authority over someone else, due to Christ Victory over all things in heaven, on the earth, and under the earth. He is our high priest who we got to.

The spiritual principles founded in Romans 13 and the like to submit to governing authorities, I agree that those are tenants there for a Christian to learn from, from Paul in which he shared.

The main thing is… there is no authority over spiritual matters, which is where the Lord Jesus Christ is the head of the Royal priesthood, in which because of Him we are able to go freely to God and pray to him to help us by the spirit which always produces love for other people while we live in this life, praying for all people even those who are “in earthly authority” but it doesn’t effect Jesus authority over an single believer who is part of the body of Christ.
 

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I'm going to disagree with you here @MatthewG . The Bible clearly shows the importance of believers fellowshipping, getting correction, having leaders, and all around helping each other grow. To say that there should be no leader's after Christ Ascension would mean that Peter, Paul, and all were wrong and we should toss majority of the New Testament! Clearly ridiculous.

Now, while I do believe that people supporting each other and having leaders is important, there's something critical to remember: Christ is the Son of God. It is His Church. He alone is the Savior and nobody replaces Him. All authority He gives a servant is ultimately His authority- it does not belong nor originate in the servant. And the servant is still human- they make mistakes. A Christian should still strive to follow Christ themselves directly while also being supported by other believers.
 
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That is fine you can disagree if you would like to JaneDoe, way I look at it all those who were in Apostlic authority over the church in that day in age, are all dead.

Thank you for commenting and sharing.
 

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That is fine you can disagree if you would like to JaneDoe, way I look at it all those who were in Apostlic authority over the church in that day in age, are all dead.

Thank you for commenting and sharing.
Why would Christ and the Apostles give so much guidance and commentary on leadership and fellowship then? Why have instructions for leaders when there aren’t supposed to be any leaders?
 
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Jane,

Because it was for them at that time.

Many may disagree but I believe Jesus done came and had victory over all things. And came back and took his bride in 70Ad.

People are free to believe how they will as I have no authority over how one persues their relationship with God and others, we are still part of the body of Christ by our faith in Him.
 

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Jane,

Because it was for them at that time.

Many may disagree but I believe Jesus done came and had victory over all things. And came back and took his bride in 70Ad.

People are free to believe how they will as I have no authority over how one persues their relationship with God and others, we are still part of the body of Christ by our faith in Him.
I totally acknowledge your right to believe as you do and make zero enfridgment upon it. It just doesn’t make sense to me: the menso much of the New Testement would be devoted to how to lead and fellowship because we are supposed to do that. I don’t see scripture having an expiration date.
 

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I'm going to disagree with you here @MatthewG . The Bible clearly shows the importance of believers fellowshipping, getting correction, having leaders, and all around helping each other grow. To say that there should be no leader's after Christ Ascension would mean that Peter, Paul, and all were wrong and we should toss majority of the New Testament! Clearly ridiculous.

Now, while I do believe that people supporting each other and having leaders is important, there's something critical to remember: Christ is the Son of God. It is His Church. He alone is the Savior and nobody replaces Him. All authority He gives a servant is ultimately His authority- it does not belong nor originate in the servant. And the servant is still human- they make mistakes. A Christian should still strive to follow Christ themselves directly while also being supported by other believers.
Why the reformation then. Why didn’t Luther just submit, or are you saying Luther was wrong?
 

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Jane,

Because it was for them at that time.

Many may disagree but I believe Jesus done came and had victory over all things. And came back and took his bride in 70Ad.

People are free to believe how they will as I have no authority over how one persues their relationship with God and others, we are still part of the body of Christ by our faith in Him.
Jesus references his disciples as the children of the bridechamber.
 

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Jesus references his disciples as the children of the bridechamber.
Jane,

Because it was for them at that time.

Many may disagree but I believe Jesus done came and had victory over all things. And came back and took his bride in 70Ad.

People are free to believe how they will as I have no authority over how one persues their relationship with God and others, we are still part of the body of Christ by our faith in Him.
The Baptist said he saw the bride at the baptism of Jesus Christ.
 

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I totally acknowledge your right to believe as you do and make zero enfridgment upon it. It just doesn’t make sense to me: the menso much of the New Testement would be devoted to how to lead and fellowship because we are supposed to do that. I don’t see scripture having an expiration date.
It’s very clear what happens when men congregate and exercise their authority over one another

Warren Jeffs.
 

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Hello,

How one believes doesn’t make a difference to me, I won’t divide over doctrine if possible as love is what is we are meant to share with one another, @Waiting on him.

Jane, I would say that the Bible is a spiritual guide book to learning about God and there are spiritual tenants and principles people can learn from it, it washes and renews the soul.

Thank you for your comments and sharing.

I would like if possible for us to keep peace.
 
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Why the reformation then. Why didn’t Luther just submit, or are you saying Luther was wrong?
It’s very clear what happens when men congregate and exercise their authority over one another

Warren Jeffs.
Just because a man declares He is of God doesn’t mean you automatically believe him- do your homework and check with God yourself.

But the presence of some wolves also doesn’t mean that there are no men of God. And even men of God do make mistakes.

Again: do your homework !
 
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Just because a man declares He is of God doesn’t mean you automatically believe him- do your homework and check with God yourself.

But the presence of some wolves also doesn’t mean that there are no men of God. And even men of God do make mistakes.

Again: do your homework !
Can’t have it both ways.
 

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There are people that assume which they get from the Bible that they are to assume authority over others an a persons faith, and they will try to make you submit to whatever it is they are doing to conform to their Will and ways.

This can happen even in Material Brick and Mortar Churches, which assume they have some type of Authority, even Roman Catholic will try to justify the says as they were founded by Peter.

There is no authority over a believer save Jesus Christ himself who himself is head of the Royal priesthood who governs over the body of believers who have faith in Him.

Never be persuaded by others and what they may say, but you have the ability to go to God directly without any hesitation in prayer, Jesus is the High Priest and you are able to directly commune with God because of Him, by the spirit in prayer.

God bless you.
Many try to force one to believe what they say is 100% right, but it comes down to you ? and one may hold some of what is claimed is correct, but you are not totally sure yourself ?
So does the dude laying such down have any regard for you too grasp the concept or does the idiot just make demands on you to follow his line with no regard.
Now that comes across as a religious person ? but the Holy Spirit is not in them.
I think a person can only give guidance too another, but not tell them what they have to think to be one of them ?
 
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