Back When Protestants Men Weren't The Gutless Wonders Of Today

[Phoneman777]

Those who support the modern ecumenical movement need to understand that the Roman catholic church does not consider itself a part of the movement - she is the prime handler of it. Claiming she was not the cause of the great 500 year old split in Christianity, she condemns those who broke away from her as guilty of the "heresy of separateness" - the Protestants - and exuberantly celebrates each arrival home of those who are falling all over themselves to worship at the feet of "St. Peter's successor".

Sadly, the reasons for why such a movement is today considered noble and essential are due to a complete ignorance of the historic reasons for why the separation was God-ordained and necessary in the first place.

If the prevailing attitudes of today existed back in the days of Luther, Tyndale, Calvin, Christians today would be as hopelessly ignorant of the wonderful character and truths of Christ and the saving relationship He freely offers to sinners as were the poor people that lived just before the Protestant Reformation began to open the way for the light of the Gospel to shine "more and more unto that perfect day".

If only Protestant men of today were so bold to stand for truth as this guy:

 

[Enoch111]

Those who support the modern ecumenical movement need to understand that the Roman catholic church does not consider itself a part of the movement - she is the destination of it.

The Ecumenical Movement reflects the great apostasy that has taken hold of Christendom. The RCC and the ecumenical and Orthodox churches have been attempting to unify for a long time, but eventually this will lead to the one world idolatrous religion of the Antichrist. The Catholic Church has already proclaimed that Muslims worship the same God as Christians, which is a TOTAL LIE.

The UN ,the EU, and the RCC are all committed to the migrant invasion of Europe by Africans and Muslims, and North America by Central Americans and Mexicans (many of whom are outright criminals), which further adds to both religious and political confusion, to say nothing of the murders, rapes, and human trafficking. So what we are seeing presently is more and more confusion, as well as blatant attacks on the truth. Which means that we are approaching the end of the age.

 

[Phoneman777]

And the Satanically blinded liberals and papists are all giddy with the prospect of "finally love, peace, and unity" - just like happy pigs busy with their heads all down in glorious unity eating up the corn thrown down on the ground as a trap...and not suspecting a thing until their throats are slit before there is any time to even squeal.

 

[Stranger]

Phoneman777

The problem today is not just the doctrine of the Roman Church, it is the doctrine of various Protestant Churches. You want to make it a Roman/Protestant thing and it isn't. When the Reformers came into conflict with the Roman Church, they were Romanists also. The point being, there are many within the Roman Church who are believers. Much of Protestant doctrine today is straight out of hell. Yet there are many in the Protestant Churches who are believers.

Both Protestant and Roman churches will contribute to the apostate church of the last days. But within both, at this time, you have the believers.

Stranger

 

[Philip James]

for why the separation was God-ordained and necessary in the first place

Ordained and neccesary? Maybe not.. But certainly foretold:

Why do the nations protest and the peoples grumble in vain?

Kings on earth rise up and princes plot together against the LORD and his anointed:

"Let us break their shackles and cast off their chains!"

The one enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord derides them,

 

[aspen]

You really are obsessed. So does your version of Christianity include any thing other than bashing Catholics?

 

[Helen]

Phoneman777

The problem today is not just the doctrine of the Roman Church, it is the doctrine of various Protestant Churches. You want to make it a Roman/Protestant thing and it isn't. When the Reformers came into conflict with the Roman Church, they were Romanists also. The point being, there are many within the Roman Church who are believers. Much of Protestant doctrine today is straight out of hell. Yet there are many in the Protestant Churches who are believers.

Both Protestant and Roman churches will contribute to the apostate church of the last days. But within both, at this time, you have the believers.

Stranger

Excellent BALANCE ....well said. Agree.

 

[Helen]

You really are obsessed. So does your version of Christianity include any thing other than bashing Catholics?

I must say I totally agree.
Anyone , who continually is only able to bash away about nothing but negative subject matter...shows a real problem of obsessive unbalanced behaviour .

 

[Phoneman777]

You really are obsessed. So does your version of Christianity include any thing other than bashing Catholics?

It's OK to be obsessed with things like the truth...what's not OK is catholic priests being obsessed with sexually abusing kids, or those like yourself who defend them.

 

[Phoneman777]

Phoneman777

The problem today is not just the doctrine of the Roman Church, it is the doctrine of various Protestant Churches. You want to make it a Roman/Protestant thing and it isn't. When the Reformers came into conflict with the Roman Church, they were Romanists also. The point being, there are many within the Roman Church who are believers. Much of Protestant doctrine today is straight out of hell. Yet there are many in the Protestant Churches who are believers.

Both Protestant and Roman churches will contribute to the apostate church of the last days. But within both, at this time, you have the believers.

Stranger

Stranger, it IS a Roman/Protestant thing: Because Rome only recognizes one true "consistent Protestant" denomination. All the rest she regards as bowing down in reverent obedience to her, regardless of their claim to "Sola Scriptura".

 

[Phoneman777]

Ordained and neccesary? Maybe not.. But certainly foretold:

Why do the nations protest and the peoples grumble in vain?

Kings on earth rise up and princes plot together against the LORD and his anointed:

"Let us break their shackles and cast off their chains!"

The one enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord derides them,

Yes, Paul said "grievous wolves" would enter and destroy the flock (papal persecutions of God's faithful). James said veneration of stone idols would become Christian practice (common place in catholicism today). Peter said they would deny the Creation account and the Flood (catholicism says the first 11 chapters of Genesis are mythological).

Those verses you posted don't apply in the least to Protestantism.

 

[Nancy]

The Ecumenical Movement reflects the great apostasy that has taken hold of Christendom. The RCC and the ecumenical and Orthodox churches have been attempting to unify for a long time, but eventually this will lead to the one world idolatrous religion of the Antichrist. The Catholic Church has already proclaimed that Muslims worship the same God as Christians, which is a TOTAL LIE.

The UN ,the EU, and the RCC are all committed to the migrant invasion of Europe by Africans and Muslims, and North America by Central Americans and Mexicans (many of whom are outright criminals), which further adds to both religious and political confusion, to say nothing of the murders, rapes, and human trafficking. So what we are seeing presently is more and more confusion, as well as blatant attacks on the truth. Which means that we are approaching the end of the age.

Back in the early 1990's our Church held a long bible study on ecumenism...it has been very interesting seeing all of this come to culmination. But, very sad and scary to see some friends and loved ones seemingly happy to join in :/

 

[Phoneman777]

I must say I totally agree.
Anyone , who continually is only able to bash away about nothing but negative subject matter...shows a real problem of obsessive unbalanced behaviour .

ByGrace, I don't expect a Satanically blinded liberal like yourself to understand things like contending for the faith once delivered to the saints. Liberalism is a mental disorder which renders the sufferer incapable of separating facts from feelings - logic from emotions, which results in compounded delusion. If you were around in Jesus' day, you'd have called Him the "Bethlehem Basher" for His rebukes against the popular errors of His day.

 

[Willie T]

Why do some of you seem to consider "The Ecumenical Movement" to be a bad thing? Didn't Jesus tell us that as far as possible, we were to get along with all men?
I spent 12 years in a congregation of an organization (the CoC) that wouldn't even associate with other members of the same denomination. It only happened 2 times in that entire time, that two local churches assembled together, and the tension was so thick, you could have cut it with a knife.
Refusing to fellowship with other Christians is a very sad and disappointing thing to see.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why do some of you seem to consider "The Ecumenical Movement" to be a bad thing? Didn't Jesus tell us that as far as possible, we were to get along with all men?
I spent 12 years in a congregation of an organization (the CoC) that wouldn't even associate with other members of the same denomination. It only happened 2 times in that entire time, that two local churches assembled together, and the tension was so thick, you could have cut it with a knife.
Refusing to fellowship with other Christians is a very sad and disappointing thing to see.

Who's going to rule?
The Catholics or the protestants?
Which Protestants?
The Pope believes he's the leader of All Christian's since the cc is the one,true church.
I dont see how this could possibly function.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, Paul said "grievous wolves" would enter and destroy the flock (papal persecutions of God's faithful). James said veneration of stone idols would become Christian practice (common place in catholicism today). Peter said they would deny the Creation account and the Flood (catholicism says the first 11 chapters of Genesis are mythological).

Those verses you posted don't apply in the least to Protestantism.

I agree except for the veneration of stone idols.
When you add incorrect facts to true facts, it kind of waters down the true facts.

 

[Willie T]

Who's going to rule?
The Catholics or the protestants?
Which Protestants?
The Pope believes he's the leader of All Christian's since the cc is the one,true church.
I dont see how this could possibly function.

A man or group has to rule? I thought God did.
I have associated amiably with both Jews and Catholics for years without having to put on a yamaka or to genuflect. And I still believe they both worship God.

 

[GodsGrace]

A man or group has to rule? I thought God did.
I have associated amiably with both Jews and Catholics for years without having to put on a yamaka or to genuflect. And I still believe they both worship God.

Funny Willie.
Remember the communes back in the 60s?
Did they work out? Why not?
Because they were made up of humans!
No, there Must be a leader, or it won't work.

 

[Episkopos]

Ordained? To what?

 

[amadeus]

Why do some of you seem to consider "The Ecumenical Movement" to be a bad thing? Didn't Jesus tell us that as far as possible, we were to get along with all men?
I spent 12 years in a congregation of an organization (the CoC) that wouldn't even associate with other members of the same denomination. It only happened 2 times in that entire time, that two local churches assembled together, and the tension was so thick, you could have cut it with a knife.
Refusing to fellowship with other Christians is a very sad and disappointing thing to see.

Who's going to rule?
The Catholics or the protestants?
Which Protestants?
The Pope believes he's the leader of All Christian's since the cc is the one,true church.
I dont see how this could possibly function.

"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." Gen 11:1-9

"Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth." Dan 2:34-35

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:" Eph 2:12-16