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  1. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Jesus told the disciples; “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19) (NET)

    “Peter said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” (Acts 2:38) (NET)

    Every account of baptism in Acts shows the disciples baptizing believers in the name of Jesus Christ, and not in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    How do you resolve this with Matthew 28:19?

    I received baptism as a believer by immersion in the name of Jesus Christ as a trinitarian. And I believe this method shows that Jesus Christ (YHWH) is the personal name of the triune God (Godhead).

    “Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)

    Any thoughts?
     
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    Armadillo Well-Known Member

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    The Holy Spirit moves in after belief in Jesus. After Peter preached the forgiveness of sins, the Holy Spirit fell on those that heard the word, Acts 10:44.

    We are to baptize one another in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit to believe the Trinitarian view because to believe anything else about Jesus is contrary to scripture, the Trinity is based on scripture.

    James 2:19, You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

    It's God's Unity that makes the demons shudder. The Unity of 3 persons in 1 Godhead. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
     
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  3. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    I'm obviously trinitarian as defined in the ecumenical creeds. But they always baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in Acts, where details emerge.

    Jesus Christ is the NT equivalent to YHWH. So Peter baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit every time he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    kurios greek for Jehovah

    “And God spoke to Moses and said to him, “I am the Lord (kurios).” Exodus 6:2 (LES = Septuagint)

    “God spoke to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD [YHWH].” Exodus 6:2 (ESV)

    “but Paul chose Silas and departed, having been commended by the brothers to the grace of the Lord.” Acts 15:40 (ESV)

    “And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.” Acts 15:40 (KJV 1900)

    So again we see God and Lord used interchangably. Also in 2 Peter 2:1 and 2 Peter 2:11.

    The Greek word kurios is equivalent to the Hebrew word Yahweh or Jehovah when speaking of Jesus. This is the divine name for God. Jesus Christ is designated as the Lord in many New Testament references. This is the consistent truth of Scripture - Jesus is Yahweh or Jehovah.


    kurios = Jehovah in Exodus 6:2 in the LXX. Translated Lord 3,151 times in the NT as upper case Lord = Jehovah.

    Nestle-Aland translates Kurios as Jesus.

    “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)

    This also means the early church reading the LXX as their main scriptures understood Jesus was YHWH every time the Apostles referred to him as Lord (kurios) in Greek.
     
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    Boaz, the Sanhedrin, Abraham, many others are also referred to as kurios, i guess you better worship them too
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    It's the context that determines the meaning.
     
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    well, at least you hope Dave, but honest there are easier ways to make Jesus into Nehushtan than that one imo
     
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    I responded to something similar to this a couple of months ago so I used the text of that response for this one, but with some changes.

    To me "dwelling in His presence" is what Jesus called being "in my name" or what we might call being "in His name".

    "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt 18:20

    The verse quoted above is just one of a multitude of verses found not only in the NT but also in the OT which allude to or use this thing of "in His name". How can we express exactly what it means? God can and does express it at times to us, but we are likely to have difficulty expressing to others who have never been there.

    Many people meet regularly to worship God and when they do they should really all be "in His name" to get what God wants them to get when they gather together. Without the "in His name" it is likely no more than a social gathering of people and while it may be good as men understand good, it certainly falls short of the "very good" that God made in the beginning.

    We can be alone with God and "in His name" with no other person present and perhaps that is not the same as it is when other people are present who are also "in His name", but they are certainly related. The difference I see is on the one hand preparing as an individual to become a part of the Body of the Christ, while the other is working together with other parts to get to that "fitly joined together" place of which Paul wrote. It is all necessary in God's plan and for anyone who hopes to be part of the end of God's plan.

    Where does the "in His name" come in as I spend my own special morning time with the Lord? Anywhere and everywhere. Prior to reading my Bible, at the end of each verse or chapter or as the Lord directs I talk to Him. This must be "in His name" to be that "effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man". For me it often and even usually comes in an unknown tongue. My tongue is directed by His Spirit. This is my morning session which is every morning, 7 days a week. There are no other specially designated times, but while I am on a Christian forum I will always look to prayer sub forums and pray for needs expressed there. When I read through or scan the threads/posts on the other sub forums I will also try to pray as I go. When I don't pray in His name, I may speak when I should be silent or I may say something better left unsaid.

    During the course of my day I will sometimes pray as led to do so. When I am so led is this not "in His name"?


    "In His name"? What is it? Where is it? Heaven! Yes, but that is another although related subject, isn't it?

    When not "in His name" I guess that sometimes I am in hell, but I don't go there as often as I once did. When in heaven, it may simply be first, but quite often I believe it is the second. I cannot say that I've been to 3rd but God is not finished with me yet.

    Baptism in water? Here we find conflicts in the words the baptizer should be speaking when he is dunking a person in the H2O.

    Should he follow the example of Matt 28:19 or the example of Acts 2:38? What he needs to do no matter what words he speaks with his mouth is to be "in the Name" as we have been discussing here. If the person is not "in the Name", are not his words idle no matter what verses of scripture he may be quoting?


     
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    Being "in the Name" is how we avoid the Nehushtan thing.
     
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    well i agree, but unfortunately ppl will just start claiming to be that as we can even see
     
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    Yes, unfortunately there are also ministers [preachers, pastors, etc.] who will even encourage them in their lack of understanding saying that is understanding... if you know what I mean.
     
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    Only if removed from the context.
     
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    Whatever may be found in the Acts of the Apostles cannot contravene Matthew 28:19 -- the very words of Christ.

    Perhaps Luke was simply abbreviating this by saying "In the name of Jesus". The Didache is a very early Christian writing which confirms that baptism was in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Today there are some Christians groups who believe in "Trine Immersion" -- once for the Father, once for the Son, and once for the Holy Spirit. But that may be taking things too far.
     
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    With respect to whose context? Yours?
     
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    Nothing needs resolving Dave, the accounts are referring to the same thing. Making it an issue is a red herring. There are more important things to occupy our understanding.
     
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    imo you are using/defining kurios as kratos here, a la pantokrator, and it is pertinent to remember that "Lord" is even a poor choice for an address to God as Father, but we are just used to it.

    "The ubiquitous noun κυριος (kurios), meaning sir, mister, master, lord or Lord. It occurs 745 times in the New Testament; SEE FULL CONCORDANCE. See below for a discussion of this noun and its derivatives."

    there is a concordance though, if you can demo an instance of context making kurious into kratos then we'll go from there i guess, but really once kurios is better defined you won't even try imo
     
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    It's not difficult to reconcile these two. Remember that Acts was almost certainly written before Matthew's Gospel, and that Luke is reporting what was said by Christians right at the beginning. Christian baptism had to be distinguished from John's baptism (which was still fresh in everyone's mind, and apparently still practised - see Acts 19:3) This is why it's always described as "in the name of Jesus". Luke didn't have to write the whole liturgical formula out every time; it would have been a waste of space. But Matthew (fortunately!) gives us the whole thing.
     
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    But the Apostles baptized Just as Jesus told them in Matthew. Jesus Christ = YHWH = Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not modal as the Oneness Pentecostals teach, but as the Trinity which all of Christendom teaches.
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Again context determines the use of broad terms.
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Were you baptized? If so, how?
     
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