Beware of Those Who Try Separate Faith in God vs. His Word

[Davy]

There is no difference in Faith in The Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ and Faith in His Word. Per John 1, Lord Jesus is equated as The Word from the beginning. If you believe on The Father and The Son, then it automatically means you believe His Word also.

Those who are against belief in either represent those who TRY to change God's written Word, and want to corrupt it, including those who want to defame it and REPLACE it with something else, which is a working of the devil.

The 19th century British scholar E.W. Bullinger through his research in ancient archaeology proved that The Word of God was first written in the star constellations before being written down in letters (see The Witness of The Stars). (To clarify this point, Bullinger found archaeological evidence that ancient pagans changed the original names of the star constellations of the Zodiac. Their original names were associated with God's Word.)

And in many Bible Scriptures, God testifies of the purity of His Word handed down to ALL generations.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Satan wants to plant seeds of doubt about the truth of God's Word but the cost of helping satan is very high=hell.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I agree.

It’s quite bizarre and disturbing.

 

[Alfredthefifth]

In another thread, a One verse Christian is trying to show that if we do not believe one verse as he reads it is, the all in all we are not Christians if we do not believe in that one verse. The word over God

One verse out of context becomes faith in the word over faith in God.

Al

 

[Bob Estey]

There is no difference in Faith in The Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ and Faith in His Word. Per John 1, Lord Jesus is equated as The Word from the beginning. If you believe on The Father and The Son, then it automatically means you believe His Word also.

Those who are against belief in either represent those who TRY to change God's written Word, and want to corrupt it, including those who want to defame it and REPLACE it with something else, which is a working of the devil.

The 19th century British scholar E.W. Bullinger through his research in ancient archaeology proved that The Word of God was first written in the star constellations before being written down in letters (see The Witness of The Stars).

And in many Bible Scriptures, God testifies of the purity of His Word handed down to ALL generations.

We can talk with God. Can't do that with his Word.

 

[Davy]

In another thread, a One verse Christian is trying to show that if we do not believe one verse as he reads it is, the all in all we are not Christians if we do not believe in that one verse. The word over God

One verse out of context becomes faith in the word over faith in God.

Al

Yet there are... Biblical examples that just in a few verses declare the Deity of Jesus Christ, so... if someone uses those verses in God's Word which declares that, then they are correct to say that if one does not believe it as written, then it does make them an unbeliever.

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 'Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel', which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

One cannot claim to be a Christian and deny the Deity of Jesus Christ as "Emmanuel" which means "God with us", showing that Jesus of Nazareth is God born in the flesh through flesh woman. Just because the orthodox unbelieving Jews refuse to believe that as written, their denial don't mean diddly.

 

[Davy]

We can talk with God. Can't do that with his Word.

God's Word is about God talking TO US.

 

[shortangel]

great perspectives & insights here

 

[Bob Estey]

God's Word is about God talking TO US.

The object, I believe, is to walk with him.

 

[Davy]

The object, I believe, is to walk with him.

Lord Jesus Christ showed the devil what the object is...

Luke 4:4
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, "It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
KJV

So understand, any idea denying that we are to live according to The Word of God, is of the devil.

 

[Bob Estey]

Lord Jesus Christ showed the devil what the object is...

Luke 4:4
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, "It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
KJV

So understand, any idea denying that we are to live according to The Word of God, is of the devil.

I guess we have to walk with him in order to do that - constant prayer.

 

[Behold]

The 19th century British scholar E.W. Bullinger

Run as far away from Bullinger as you can..

This person taught that there were "4 Crosses", and that the Spirit of God is not in a born again person.
He's a heretic, and you should avoid his "bible" and all his commentary, as he will ruin your faith.

 

[Davy]

I guess we have to walk with him in order to do that - constant prayer.

We are to walk by The Spirit, according to Apostle Paul (Galatians 5).

 

[Behold]

We are to walk by The Spirit, according to Apostle Paul (Galatians 5).

Paul says to walk IN the Spirit.

Not by the spirit.

Big distinction.

 

[Wrangler]

Beware of Those Who Try Separate Faith in God vs. His Word ...And in many Bible Scriptures, God testifies of the purity of His Word handed down to ALL generations.

No one is trying to separate God from his word.

There was another thread differentiating faith in God from faith in a book. Big difference. To some, no difference.

 

[Davy]

No one is trying to separate God from his word.

There was another thread differentiating faith in God from faith in a book. Big difference. To some, no difference.

Your own words just betrayed you.

It is impossible to separate God from His Word, and likewise that means one cannot separate Faith on Him through His Son from His Word either. It's silly to even think one could! Whoever came up with that stupid idea has lost their mind!

 

[Bob Estey]

We are to walk by The Spirit, according to Apostle Paul (Galatians 5).

We are to pray constantly, according to the Apostle Paul (1 Thessalonians 5:17).

 

[Wrangler]

Your own words just betrayed you.

No. You've created an idol called The Bible. Some even idolize a particular translation. While the container is noted, what is holy is not the parchment container but the Word of God.

It is fool hardy to attempt to divide God from his Will and Words, it is incorrect discernment to suppose this means a book, a translation, etc.

 

[Davy]

No. You've created an idol called The Bible. Some even idolize a particular translation. While the container is noted, what is holy is not the parchment container but the Word of God.

It is fool hardy to attempt to divide God from his Will and Words, it is incorrect discernment to suppose this means a book, a translation, etc.

That's stupid. You are accusing those who believe God's Word is infallible and worship The Creator as being idol worshipers! You hypocrite! Go back to your viper hole.

 

[APAK]

That's stupid. You are accusing those who believe God's Word is infallible and worship The Creator as being idol worshipers! You hypocrite! Go back to your viper hole.

Slow down a bit here Davy....don't be too hasty in drawing your conclusions.

We have to understand and assume that a professing Christ is actually a genuine Christian #1. 2. We also must assume that the majority of scripture has not been tampered with. There have be numerous deliberate modifications, deletions and additions to scripture.

3. And that we must not make an idol and religion out of the written word we call the Bible. I mean many people do not actually read and search scripture in prayer, that the Holy Spirit will guide their minds and hearts to truth. And as you said, our faith in the Father and Son should be in the Same Spirit as when we pray to both and use the written words as words floating off the page to our hearts and minds. They are woven together as a perfect match and compliment each other.

4. Unfortunately I believe less than 50 % recognize this holy harmony Davy because they lack the Spirit. They place their Bible on their coffee table as a showpiece for others who stop by, and it is an object that sometimes makes themselves feel good because they have the courage to expose a Bible in public view and they then are emotionally happy to be a 'Christian,' and that the truth lies in the Book usually collecting dust.

And when they are ready to go from their home and go to their weekend brick and mortar place of worship, they carry their lovely Burgundy leather covered Bible in hand and for all to see in the service or in a Sunday school session.

5. And many do make scripture and the Book an idol that we dare not investigate and really search to understand what it actually says. Many think we somehow cannot question it and besides our pastor or priest tells us what is truth inside its pages anyway.

And as @Wrangler just said, a person will idolize a particular translation of scripture, over knowing the truth, and by not first placing their faith in the Father and the Son.

There are many KJV diehards on this site, and if you really want to know what many translators say about this version, it might offend many. For accuracy and readability, the KJV ranks 20th out of the top 20 Bible translations.

6. And if we have a strong religion, and our faith is guided by more that the word of God, we can also make scripture to be our slave to this religion. Meaning, we make scripture sing to the tunes of our religion that might not be the truth at all. We then become deceived and many are still lost because of it.