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Hello,

The word 'Beware' is one which is intended to stop us in our tracks and take notice, and is used by our Lord Himself in His earthly ministry on several occasions. such as the following, which need to be looked at within their contexts:-

'Beware of false prophets' (Matthew 7:15)
'Beware of men' (Matthew 10:17)
'Beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and the Sadducees' (Matthew 16:6, 11,-12)

* It is this third one that I am concerned with in this thread. Though there are others which are worth looking up and considering.

* Luke 12:1 tells us that 'the leaven (ie., doctrine) of the Pharisees' is hypocrisy. The Pharisees 'transgressed the commandments of God by their tradition' (Matthew 15:3), making 'the commandment of God of none effect' by their tradition (Matthew 15:6). They by, 'laying aside the commandments of God' held the tradition of men (Mark 7:8). It is said more strongly again in Mark 7:9, 'Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.'

* I believe that Christians throughout the ages have failed to take warning from these words of our Lord. For I believe that in Luke 16:19-31, the Lord gave an illustration of the doctrine of the Pharisees in the words of the story of the rich man and Lazarus, to expose their hypocrisy: but man has taken it and used it as a proof text that man does not die, but lives on in an afterlife, where he can see and hear and communicate not only with other dead ones but also with the living. By so doing prolonging the oldest of all lies, that of Satan in the garden of Eden, when he said to Eve, 'Ye shall not surely die' (Genesis 3:4); in so doing denying the necessity of the resurrection. Not considering the fact that without the power of the resurrection there can be no quickening into life of the dead.

* It has also been used to give credence to the doctrine of the immortality of the soul, and of hell (ie., the grave) as a place of eternal conscious punishment, instead of the place of the dead, which can refer to the grave, or the final destruction of the second death (Gehenna).

* Forgive me, for I know that this can be a controversial subject, but I ask that you please consider it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris


* The church which is the Body of Christ is warned in Colossians 2:8,
'Beware lest any man spoil you
through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men,
after the rudiments of the world,
and not after Christ.'
 
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Unless iron sharpened iron, all would be dull.

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Thank you, for responding, Ziggy. Yes, iron sharpens iron.

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The Sadducees had asked Jesus about the woman who had seven husbands, who's wife would she be?
It states that Saducees neither believe in the resurrection.

Mat 22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
Mat 22:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
Mat 22:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
Mat 22:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
Mat 22:27 And last of all the woman died also.
Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Sadducees = "the righteous"
a religious party at the time of Christ among the Jews, who denied that the oral law was a revelation of God to the Israelites, and who deemed the written law alone to be obligatory on the nation, as the divine authority. They denied the following doctrines:
resurrection of the body
immortality of the soul
existence of spirits and angels
divine predestination, affirmed free will

I think the Sadducees and Pharisees are either too hot or too cold, and that's why Jesus spewed them out of his mouth..

Like I hear him say.. oh yeah?? Let me tell you something..
I think Jesus liked giving them back their own mockery.
I believe what he said is true, but the tone I hear is ..ok, you wanna play that way?

I guess it depends on how one hears it.. lol

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Hello again,

Job described the state of the dead as 'the land of darkness and the shadow of death; a land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness.' (Job10:21-22) For said he, 'I know that Thou wilt bring me to death, and to the house appointed for all living.' (Job 30:23)

* David said in Psalm 6:5 ' For in death there is no remembrance of Thee: in the grave who shall give Thee thanks?'

Wilt Thou shew wonders to the dead?
shall the dead arise and praise Thee? Selah.
Shall Thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave?
or Thy faithfulness in destruction?
Shall Thy wonders be known in the dark?
and Thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

( Psa 88:10 -12)

* Yes, David tells us that there is no remembrance, or ability to give thanks in death, the dead cannot see God's wonders, His lovingkindness, His faithfulness or His righteousness, for the place of the dead is one of forgetfulness. Of lack of consciousness.

* These Scriptures deny the possibility that the story directed by our Lord to the Pharisees, of 'the rich man and Lazarus,' was intended by Him to be teaching concerning the state of the dead, for if it were it would be denying the testimony of Scripture as a whole.

Thank you
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I believe there are 2 states of death. The physical and the spiritual.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jde 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jde 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Now when you get to the witch in Endor, Saul wants her to call up Samuel.
What do you suppose happened there?
I'm not a big supporter of ghosts and things that go bump in the night.
But if Lazarus was sleeping like Jesus said, and after 4 days rose him from the dead.. where was Lazarus sleeping during that time?


Is Job and David talking about a physical or a spiritual death?

I read when we die our body goes to the earth and our spirit returns to God.
I'm good with that.
Will God use that same spirit and return it to another place and time?
Like John being the spirit of Elijah?

So many questions..
I'm more concerned with being spiritually dead than physically, when all is said and done.

Thank You Chris

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* The Testimony of Scripture concerning the state of the dead:-

'Before I go whence I shall not return,
even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;
A land of darkness, as darkness itself;
and of the shadow of death,
without any order,
and where the light is as darkness.'
(Job 10:21-22)

'For in death there is no remembrance of Thee:
in the grave who shall give Thee thanks?'
(Psalm 6:5)

'For the grave cannot praise Thee,
death can not celebrate Thee:
they that go down into the pit
cannot hope for Thy truth.'
(Isaiah 38:18)

'But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?
can I bring him back again?
I shall go to him,
but he shall not return to me.'
(2 Samuel 12:23)

'Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction:
LORD, I have called daily upon Thee, I have stretched out my hands unto Thee.
Wilt Thou shew wonders to the dead?
shall the dead arise and praise Thee? Selah.
Shall Thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave?Tor thy faithfulness in destruction?
Shall Thy wonders be known in the dark?
and Thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?'
(Psalm 88:9)

'The dead praise not the LORD,
neither any that go down into silence.'
(Psalm 115:17)

'For the enemy hath persecuted my soul;
he hath smitten my life down to the ground;
he hath made me to dwell in darkness,
as those that have been long dead.'
(Psalm 143:3)

'For the living know that they shall die:
but the dead know not any thing,
neither have they any more a reward;
for the memory of them is forgotten.'
(Ecclesiastes 9:5)

'And when they shall say unto you,
Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
should not a people seek unto their God?
for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.'
(Isaiah 8:19-20)

'Thy dead men shall live,
together with my dead body shall they arise.
Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust:
for thy dew is as the dew of herbs,
and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers,
and shut thy doors about thee:
hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of His place
to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:
the earth also shall disclose her blood,
and shall no more cover her slain.'
(Isaiah 26:19-21)

'They shall go down to the bars of the pit,
when our rest together is in the dust.'
(Job 17:16)

'Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock;
be not silent to me:
lest, if Thou be silent to me,
I become like them that go down into the pit.'
(Psalm 28:1)

'O LORD, Thou hast brought up my soul from the grave:
Thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.'
(Psalm 30:3)

'What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit?
Shall the dust praise Thee? shall it declare Thy truth?'
(Psalm 30:9)

'Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth:
hide not Thy face from me,
lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit. '
(Psalm 143:7)

* A comparison of these verses with that spoken by the Lord in the story of the rich man and Lazarus, will show that narrative to not be intended for teaching concerning the state of the dead, but as an exposure of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees to whom the story was directed, who believed it possible for the dead to communicate with the living, and whose teaching refers to Abraham's Bosom, as the work of Josephus (himself a Pharisee) reveals.

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* The Testimony of Scripture concerning the state of the dead:-

'Before I go whence I shall not return,
even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;
A land of darkness, as darkness itself;
and of the shadow of death,
without any order,
and where the light is as darkness.'
(Job 10:21-22)

'For in death there is no remembrance of Thee:
in the grave who shall give Thee thanks?'
(Psalm 6:5)

'For the grave cannot praise Thee,
death can not celebrate Thee:
they that go down into the pit
cannot hope for Thy truth.'
(Isaiah 38:18)

'But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?
can I bring him back again?
I shall go to him,
but he shall not return to me.'
(2 Samuel 12:23)

'Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction:
LORD, I have called daily upon Thee, I have stretched out my hands unto Thee.
Wilt Thou shew wonders to the dead?
shall the dead arise and praise Thee? Selah.
Shall Thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave?Tor thy faithfulness in destruction?
Shall Thy wonders be known in the dark?
and Thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?'
(Psalm 88:9)

'The dead praise not the LORD,
neither any that go down into silence.'
(Psalm 115:17)

'For the enemy hath persecuted my soul;
he hath smitten my life down to the ground;
he hath made me to dwell in darkness,
as those that have been long dead.'
(Psalm 143:3)

'For the living know that they shall die:
but the dead know not any thing,
neither have they any more a reward;
for the memory of them is forgotten.'
(Ecclesiastes 9:5)

'And when they shall say unto you,
Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
should not a people seek unto their God?
for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.'
(Isaiah 8:19-20)

'Thy dead men shall live,
together with my dead body shall they arise.
Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust:
for thy dew is as the dew of herbs,
and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers,
and shut thy doors about thee:
hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of His place
to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:
the earth also shall disclose her blood,
and shall no more cover her slain.'
(Isaiah 26:19-21)

'They shall go down to the bars of the pit,
when our rest together is in the dust.'
(Job 17:16)

'Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock;
be not silent to me:
lest, if Thou be silent to me,
I become like them that go down into the pit.'
(Psalm 28:1)

'O LORD, Thou hast brought up my soul from the grave:
Thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.'
(Psalm 30:3)

'What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit?
Shall the dust praise Thee? shall it declare Thy truth?'
(Psalm 30:9)

'Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth:
hide not Thy face from me,
lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit. '
(Psalm 143:7)

* A comparison of these verses with that spoken by the Lord in the story of the rich man and Lazarus, will show that narrative to not be intended for teaching concerning the state of the dead, but as an exposure of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees to whom the story was directed, who believed it possible for the dead to communicate with the living, and whose teaching refers to Abraham's Bosom, as the work of Josephus (himself a Pharisee) reveals.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Jesus did the same thing with the Sadducees concerning who's wife of the seven husband's she would be in the resurection.
Because it states in the prior verse they didn't believe. They was mocking Jesus. And so Jesus mocked them back.

I think Jesus isn't this mealy mouse who just bent over backwards being nice to everybody.
He gave it right back to those that deserved it.
Now we may misunderstand and misinterpret what he said and to whom he said it.
But those whom he was talking to knew he was talking to them.

Context is everything.. I used to be a line puller because it sounded good and it fit right.
But now I go and read almost the whole chapter before I post a verse to make sure it's proper.
And then I get accused for pulling verses out of context anyways.. LOL

Aw well,
It's all good.
We could be sitting around drinking beer and gossiping about the neighbors.
I think trying to understand God's word is much more beneficial.
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I believe there are 2 states of death. The physical and the spiritual.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jde 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jde 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Now when you get to the witch in Endor, Saul wants her to call up Samuel.
What do you suppose happened there?
I'm not a big supporter of ghosts and things that go bump in the night.
But if Lazarus was sleeping like Jesus said, and after 4 days rose him from the dead.. where was Lazarus sleeping during that time?

Is Job and David talking about a physical or a spiritual death?

I read when we die our body goes to the earth and our spirit returns to God.
I'm good with that.
Will God use that same spirit and return it to another place and time?
Like John being the spirit of Elijah?

So many questions..
I'm more concerned with being spiritually dead than physically, when all is said and done.

Thank You Chris

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'And if Christ be in you,
the body is dead because of sin;
but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
He that raised up Christ from the dead
shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.'

(Rom 8:10-11)

Hi Ziggy,

I agree with John in (1 John 5:12) that, 'He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.' Though that is true of both eternal life, which is the gift of God to the believer, and spiritual life, which is the possession of those who are born from above.

You refer to Romans chapter one, and quote from verses 23-28. the section starts from verse 18, where the wrath of God is seen to be revealed from heaven against a specific sin, isn't it?:-

'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness
; ... '
(Rom 1:18)

This takes us back to Genesis 11, and Babel, where we see Satanic influence at work, for the people were not ignorant of God, for His power and Godhead was visible in the works of creation. Yet though they knew God they chose not to glorify Him as God (v.21), but became vain in their imagination and chose to worship the creature more than the Creator (v.25). So we see in verses 24, 26 & 28, that God because they did not wish to retain God in their knowledge, God 'gave them up ... ' (twice), and 'gave them over ...' (once) to do those things which 'were not convenient'.

* The Pharisees were not ignorant men, they knew God, and knew the Scriptures, but they gave preference to their Tradition over the word of God, and thereby making the word of God of none effect.

* In Answer to your question concerning Job and David's words quoted by me in my earlier post, it was physical death that they were referring to, because it is the body that goes back to the dust from whence it came. The breath of life (or spirit) goes back to God who have it. It is the entrance of the breath of life(spirit) that energises the body, making it a living soul. Without the breath of life the living soul, dies.

In answer to your two questions:-

* Lazarus was dead and in the grave.
* In relation to the witch of Endor (1 Samuel 28:6-25). Samuel was dead, and in the grave, the breath of life (or spirit) having returned to God Who gave it (1 Samuel 28:3). That is the testimony of Scripture concerning the state of the dead, so how are we to deal with this record concerning the witch of Endor? Well if you look at verse 12 we see that it was the woman who said she saw Samuel: and I believe that it was the materialisation of a deceiving spirit impersonating Samuel, who communicated to her the identity of the one who was enquiring of her to be Saul himself. ... I have to stop here, Ziggy, I will be back God willing to continue with this.


Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris



 
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Jesus did the same thing with the Sadducees concerning who's wife of the seven husband's she would be in the resurection.
Because it states in the prior verse they didn't believe. They was mocking Jesus. And so Jesus mocked them back.

I think Jesus isn't this mealy mouse who just bent over backwards being nice to everybody.
He gave it right back to those that deserved it.
Now we may misunderstand and misinterpret what he said and to whom he said it.
But those whom he was talking to knew he was talking to them.

Context is everything.. I used to be a line puller because it sounded good and it fit right.
But now I go and read almost the whole chapter before I post a verse to make sure it's proper.
And then I get accused for pulling verses out of context anyways.. LOL

Aw well,
It's all good.
We could be sitting around drinking beer and gossiping about the neighbors.
I think trying to understand God's word is much more beneficial.
:)
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Hi @Ziggy,

Yes, context is so important, I agree. Almost every misunderstanding can be rectified by observing the context of a passage, whether it be the immediate context of the surrounding verses of the chapter, or beyond that to the context of the book itself, or the rest of the Scriptures within which that book rests. Where the context of the rich man and Lazarus is concerned it is the whole of the Scriptures which need to be consulted to truly see the false teaching of the Pharisees that is being exposed.

Love in Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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The reason I quoted Romans is because there was a whole lot of Idolatry going on in all of Asia at the time.
I'm working on Ephesus and the Idol Diana that not only the Gentiles but a lot of Israel bowed down to also.
This idolatry was prevelant everywhere. In Crete, In Greece, Ephesus which is Turkey.
If you look in the OT scriptures hint this being Egypt, if you look at Revelation it is Babylon.
This was at the very heart of what was being worshipped.

So they was spiritually dead. And Jesus came to revive them. I guess you would call them the firstfruits.
Then the Apostles were sent to bring in the ingathering at the end of the season.

But God don't stop planting and watering.. He is still calling and saving, or sowing and reaping today.
If people stop to listen...
This world so noisy right now...
We could use a moment of silence.
Maybe that's that silence in heaven for the space of half an hour we need at this present time.
I don't know..
My heart is heavy today..
Praying for Peace and Mercy..
Thank You
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The Sadducees had asked Jesus about the woman who had seven husbands, who's wife would she be?
It states that Saducees neither believe in the resurrection.

Mat 22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
Mat 22:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
Mat 22:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
Mat 22:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
Mat 22:27 And last of all the woman died also.
Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Sadducees = "the righteous"
a religious party at the time of Christ among the Jews, who denied that the oral law was a revelation of God to the Israelites, and who deemed the written law alone to be obligatory on the nation, as the divine authority. They denied the following doctrines:
resurrection of the body
immortality of the soul
existence of spirits and angels
divine predestination, affirmed free will

I think the Sadducees and Pharisees are either too hot or too cold, and that's why Jesus spewed them out of his mouth..

Like I hear him say.. oh yeah?? Let me tell you something..
I think Jesus liked giving them back their own mockery.
I believe what he said is true, but the tone I hear is ..ok, you wanna play that way?

I guess it depends on how one hears it.. lol

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Hello @Ziggy,

Thank you for bringing in the Sadducees, for the word 'Beware' covered their doctrine too, didn't it? It was to them that the Lord said the words, 'Ye do err not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God' (Matthew 22:29).

I have to go now, for I have someone calling me to 'come and see' what they have been doing upstairs, so I will go now, but I know that I have also not responded to your reference to the witch of Endor either. God willing I will do so later.

Love in Christ Jesus
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@Ziggy,

I have responded to your questions in reply#9.

Have to close now.
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Hi @Ziggy,

In regard to reply#9, and the witch of Endor. If a verse or passage of Scripture appears to contradict the testimony of all Scripture, then it is that passage or verse that needs to be questioned, and not the testimony of the rest of Scripture itself. For Scripture is the yardstick by which we are to measure every interpretation or doctrine we hear and not the other way around, yes?

* The record of the witch of Endor (1 Samuel 28:6-25) appears to support the possibility of the dead being able to communicate with the living, yet we know from the rest of Scripture that the body goes back to the earth from whence it came, and the spirit (or breath of life) goes back to God who gave it. Also, David said, at the death of his child:-

'But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?
can I bring him back again?
I shall go to him,
but he shall not return to me.'

(2 Samuel 12:23)

* So it has to have been a deceiving spirit which impersonated Samuel, and not Samuel himself whom the witch of Endor says she saw and heard. In 2 Chronicles 18:19-22 God is said to have sent a lying spirit which gave a true message, and this could be so here, although nothing was said, according the the witch of Endor, that was not already widely known.

'And the LORD said,
"Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel,
.. that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? "
.... And one spake saying after this manner,
...... and another saying after that manner.
Then there came out a spirit,
.. and stood before the LORD,
.... and said, "I will entice him."
And the LORD said unto him, "Wherewith?"
And he said, "I will go out, and be a lying spirit
.. in the mouth of all his prophets."
And the LORD said, "Thou shalt entice him,
.. and thou shalt also prevail:
.... go out, and do even so.
...... Now therefore,
behold,
........ the LORD hath put a lying spirit
.......... in the mouth of these thy prophets,

............ and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee."'
(2 Chronicles 18:19-21)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hi @Ziggy,

In regard to reply#9, and the witch of Endor. If a verse or passage of Scripture appears to contradict the testimony of all Scripture, then it is that passage or verse that needs to be questioned, and not the testimony of the rest of Scripture itself. For Scripture is the yardstick by which we are to measure every interpretation or doctrine we hear and not the other way around, yes?

* The record of the witch of Endor (1 Samuel 28:6-25) appears to support the possibility of the dead being able to communicate with the living, yet we know from the rest of Scripture that the body goes back to the earth from whence it came, and the spirit (or breath of life) goes back to God who gave it. Also, David said, at the death of his child:-

'But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?
can I bring him back again?
I shall go to him,
but he shall not return to me.'

(2 Samuel 12:23)

* So it has to have been a deceiving spirit which impersonated Samuel, and not Samuel himself whom the witch of Endor says she saw and heard.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Exo 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

I agree it was a lying spirit.. or something unholy.
Hugs
And Thank You
 
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Thank you too, @Ziggy. Sorry your heart is heavy, unless of course the Lord has made it so for His purpose. May His will be done, for His Name and glory's sake.

:)
 
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