Let's look at what God says in regard to divorce and remarriage:Genesis 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." 24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.Malachi 2:13 "This is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. 14 "Yet you say, 'For what reason?' Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. 15 "But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit And what did that one do while he was seeking a godly offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth. 16 "For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously." 17 You have wearied the LORD with your words Yet you say, "How have we wearied Him?" In that you say, "Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delights in them," or, "Where is the God of justice?" Ephesians 5:22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30 because we are members of His body. 31 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.Matthew 5:31-32 "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." Mark 10:6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery." Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.” Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.1 Corinthians 7:10-13 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 1 Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge. I Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such WERE some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.We see certain principles emerge here:1. God is involved in the marriage covenant, and He joins the two into one flesh.2. God hates divorce3. Only death may end the marriage covenant4. People who "divorce" are still companions by covenant and therefore subsequent "marriages" are adulterous affairs.5. Adulterers (those who divorce and remarry) will be judged by God, and cannot inherit His Kingdom.The scriptures paint a clear and consistent message on the subject, that differs greatly from the ungodly culture in which we live. Beware of those who try to claim that these verses don't mean what they say, because God has said that those who divorce and remarry will have no place in His Kingdom.SealedEternal
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And the point is? Can you supply a biblical solution? Have you been through a divorce? Do you have any idea what people go through in a divorce? What do you have to offer regarding the central issue of the hardness of heart that causes divorce? Would you counsel an abused woman to remain in an abusive household instead of being wise and believe from afar? What about impacted children? Are YOU hurting? You shouldn't just rip off a glut of scriptures and come to an unrealistic conclusion in an unrealistic world!
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I agree with all of these, but you forgot one.6. whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.So all you gawker guys are bound for hell already---- there's no forgiveness.
Seriously:The scripture is how its meant to be ideally. In the realistic sense, there's still room for forgiveness otherwise nobody would make it in. I'm not endorsing divorce and remarriage, and I hate it myself (and thankfully I am with the same woman for over 20 years), but like any other sin I think people and Satan for that matter tries to ruin things that God has in His plan.
It's not just an "ideal" it's a commandment from God Himself. He is saying that when one divorces and remarries they have literally entered into an adulterous relationship and cannot inherit his Kingdom unless they repent.Adultery by definition is an illicit sexual relationship committed with someone who is not the person's spouse while the person is married, or having an illicit sexual relationship with someone who is married to another. That means that God never recognizes second marriages despite what the civil law in our ungodly culture allows, and that those who are involved in them are committing adultery in His eyes and need to repent or they cannot inherit his Kingdom.Many people right now are attending so-called "Christian" institutions where half or more of their congregations are actively involved in adulterous affairs. This sin has crept in and infected our entire society including those who call Christ Lord, Lord with their lips, yet hardly anyone really lives their lives as though He is their Lord anymore.Yes it is also adultery to lust after a woman in your heart also, and anyone doing that must repent as well, or they will not inherit His Kingdom either.SealedEternal
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And the point is? Can you supply a biblical solution? Have you been through a divorce? Do you have any idea what people go through in a divorce? What do you have to offer regarding the central issue of the hardness of heart that causes divorce? Would you counsel an abused woman to remain in an abusive household instead of being wise and believe from afar? What about impacted children? Are YOU hurting? You shouldn't just rip off a glut of scriptures and come to an unrealistic conclusion in an unrealistic world!
I don't think God's commandments are unrealistic if you put Him first and yourself second. He has said that divorce and remarriage is adultery, so I can guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt that I will not be divorcing my wife and marrying another. I put my commitment to Him first and my wife and myself second, so there is no possibility I will let Him down no matter what my wife does. When I married her I not only promised her that I would be joined to her by God for life, but I was also making the same commitment to Him since He does the joining.God's commandments are never unrealistic if you trust in Him and make Him your Lord. Those who fail to do so are doing it because they put their own desires above His commands, and walk by their flesh because they have not been born of God. He has promised that those who make Him their Lord will have their hearts regenerated by Him and His Laws written on them so that you can keep his commandments, and you won't find them burdensome. Those who have, can overcome sins such as adultery because His Spirit abides in them and His commands through them. SealedEternal
And the point is? Can you supply a biblical solution? Have you been through a divorce? Do you have any idea what people go through in a divorce? What do you have to offer regarding the central issue of the hardness of heart that causes divorce? Would you counsel an abused woman to remain in an abusive household instead of being wise and believe from afar? What about impacted children? Are YOU hurting? You shouldn't just rip off a glut of scriptures and come to an unrealistic conclusion in an unrealistic world!
I don't think God's commandments are unrealistic if you put Him first and yourself second. He has said that divorce and remarriage is adultery, so I can guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt that I will not be divorcing my wife and marrying another. I put my commitment to Him first and my wife and myself second, so there is no possibility I will let Him down no matter what my wife does. When I married her I not only promised her that I would be joined to her by God for life, but I was also making the same commitment to Him since He does the joining.God's commandments are never unrealistic if you trust in Him and make Him your Lord. Those who fail to do so are doing it because they put their own desires above His commands, and walk by their flesh because they have not been born of God. He has promised that those who make Him their Lord will have their hearts regenerated by Him and His Laws written on them so that you can keep his commandments, and you won't find them burdensome. Those who have, can overcome sins such as adultery because His Spirit abides in them and His commands through them. SealedEternal
Wow! I like your zeal for the Lord, Sealed Eternal. Please don't forget to mix in the love of the Lord too. This is an important balance, as Jesus did take time to do this so well. I am deeply touched every time I read about the woman caught in adultery that the town was going to stone. There was one there that day who could have picked up the first stone, in fact, all of the stones, because he was without sin. He could have crushed her, but He didn't. He told her to go and sin no more. So, how could she do that if she couldn't start over? I agree completely with you about marriage being a covenant relationship. As a matter of fact, Tony Perkins, a former Louisiana Senator, is responsible for enacting that in our state. I have been married for almost 20 years. Some of the years have been difficult-even abusive- but the Lord has been so faithful to me. I know I have played a part in committing some of the wrongs too. Marriage takes work and so many people want to bail because it can be so hard. We don't have the endurance that we need sometimes. We have to lean on the Everlasting Arms! I think you are a good person with great goals, and we all need to be reminded at times that "...love covers all sins." (Proverbs 10:12). We are to love our brothers and sisters in Christ because this is our mark as a Christian (1John 3:14), which I know you know. This does not give us an excuse to sin because we are told to stay away from people who just have a "form of godliness" but deny its power." I think we can witness to them, but not hang out with them so as not to be pulled down. I do like the "lip service" verse too, because I strive to be who I say that I am. I really want to be a person of integrity. Let's pray for all of these marriages that are struggling-for Satan to get his hands off of these families in Jesus' mighty name!!!!!
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I like Sealed's zeal as well. This subject bothers me because I have so many friends that are remarried and even my own pastor is on his third, and it seems my wife and I are the only ones left that stayed together. I knew the Lord gave her to me long ago---- I knew it when we met, and in spite of the ups and downs, I never left my own desires override the Lord's. I would have no other woman.I don't judge my friends, or pastor for that matter. Human nature being what it is I understand we are dust (as God does). Can His commands be followed? yes. If we break them, we have sinned. But I can debate the same for the OT Law which, BTW, is not done away with. The standards are there yet---- its the penalty that has been removed by Christ. When Jesus talked about looking on the woman with lust, he was going above and beyond the physical (outward) mandates of the Law by getting to one's heart as well. Therefore, this was ONE of all the Laws that we are equally responsible for. When we slip up, and we DO slip up, we have an advocate!
Divorce is not an unforgivable sin God says he hates divorce, true but he also is divorced himself he divorced Israel for her adulterous waysHe will also remarry take a bride so even though divorce is a not a good thing it is NOT the unforgivable sin but one must recognize their own guilt in the breakup so that they may repent from their part in the breakup. No one should ever feel they are not acceptable to God because they are divorced. All sin is forgivable upon belief and repentance.
God's commandments are never unrealistic. SealedEternal[/QUOTE] Never said commandents are unrealistic, but the conclusions drawn. It's quite possible that some shouldn't have married in the first place. I believe the Lord desires the kind of intimacy with His people that one would know if they should proceed or not based on His impressions on the listening heart. God is after a pure seed. And many in relationship with Him inquire of Him last or not at all. When the remnant returned from babylonian captivity God said to leave their wives and children behind! He also told them to take wives while in captivity! It's clear His best is not divorce. He hates it as well. And we should hate what He does. It does happen sad to say. And mostly done through wrong choices. After all, it's not beyond restoration of the individual by any standard, as you seemed to indicate.
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Divorce is not an unforgivable sin God says he hates divorce, true but he also is divorced himself he divorced Israel for her adulterous waysHe will also remarry take a bride so even though divorce is a not a good thing it is NOT the unforgivable sin but one must recognize their own guilt in the breakup so that they may repent from their part in the breakup. No one should ever feel they are not acceptable to God because they are divorced. All sin is forgivable upon belief and repentance.
I agree that all sin is forgivable if it is repented of including divorce. If one remarries and enters what God considers an adulterous affair however, then repentance must involve ending the adulterous affair. Many people I talk to assume that repentance is simply regretting that the sin was committed and then going right on in their adulterous affair. That is trying to turn God's grace into licentiousness and denying that He is your Lord. Repentance means to change your mind and turn from your wicked ways, which means that an adulterer turns from their adultery.As far as God divorcing, If you read Jeremiah 3 in total He was not "divorcing" Israel in the sense you're claiming because He say that she was a harlot treacherously departing from Him, and He was begging her to return. He never broke His covenant to Israel and it is blasphemy to falsely suggest that He was guilty of such when He was always faithful and always trying to reconcile, and Bible prophecy says that He is going to save the remanant of Israel, so He Has not forgotten her and is still awiting her repentance and return to Him.Besides that, He is God and if He wanted to do something it is not for us to judge Him, yet if He commands us not to do it we must still adhere to His commands. Since He said that "everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" and that "adulterers cannot inherit His Kingdom" then we better take His command seriously or risk spending eternity apart from Him.SealedEternal
Divorce is not an unforgivable sin God says he hates divorce, true but he also is divorced himself he divorced Israel for her adulterous waysHe will also remarry take a bride so even though divorce is a not a good thing it is NOT the unforgivable sin but one must recognize their own guilt in the breakup so that they may repent from their part in the breakup. No one should ever feel they are not acceptable to God because they are divorced. All sin is forgivable upon belief and repentance.
I agree that all sin is forgivable if it is repented of including divorce. If one remarries and enters what God considers an adulterous affair however, then repentance must involve ending the adulterous affair. Many people I talk to assume that repentance is simply regretting that the sin was committed and then going right on in their adulterous affair. That is trying to turn God's grace into licentiousness and denying that He is your Lord. Repentance means to change your mind and turn from your wicked ways, which means that an adulterer turns from their adultery.As far as God divorcing, If you read Jeremiah 3 in total He was not "divorcing" Israel in the sense you're claiming because He say that she was a harlot treacherously departing from Him, and He was begging her to return. He never broke His covenant to Israel and it is blasphemy to falsely suggest that He was guilty of such when He was always faithful and always trying to reconcile, and Bible prophecy says that He is going to save the remanant of Israel, so He Has not forgotten her and is still awiting her repentance and return to Him.Besides that, He is God and if He wanted to do something it is not for us to judge Him, yet if He commands us not to do it we must still adhere to His commands. Since He said that "everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" and that "adulterers cannot inherit His Kingdom" then we better take His command seriously or risk spending eternity apart from Him.SealedEternal
Sealedeternal wrote:5. Adulterers (those who divorce and remarry) will be judged by God, and cannot inherit His Kingdom.The scriptures paint a clear and consistent message on the subject, that differs greatly from the ungodly culture in which we live. Beware of those who try to claim that these verses don't mean what they say, because God has said that those who divorce and remarry will have no place in His Kingdom.
I believe marriage is for life and that only that of a christian and non-christian can be ended if the non believer wishes to leave the believer.1 corinthians 7Whilst agree also that calling yourself a christian does not mean you know Christ and born indwelling of the Spirit. That some christians divorce because of physical abuse or mental and verbal abuse and cruelty.The word says that only one sin is unforgiveable. Are you saying that someone who has repented of this sin will not be forgiven and allowed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?Loving Christ is about obeying his commandments. Two believers who really are loving Jesus do not divorce. They put God first so by walking in the fruit of the Spirit as in Galations their marriage never reaches a state where divorce necessary. Divorce is a thing of the flesh not the Spirit.I think if you are a christian in a marriage with problems then the marriage is not having problems but your relationship with God is definately where the problem lies for both partners in the marriage.Because the Spirits fruit and gifts bring the body together in union and love.And a marriage that is having problems have started thinking only of themselves and what they feel. In a marriage each partner must put God first, their partner second and themselves last. Because it is in loving God that you can love your partner and it is in the selfless love of not expecting something in return or a perfect partner that you can love them at all times.It is better to tell people the truth so they can love God and repair their marriage. Note that God says, the person who divorces their partner and the partner then remarries becomes responsible for the partners adultery.So if a believer is left by a non believer and they remarry they are not guilty if they remarry of adultery. The partner is responsible.Faithful.
I believe marriage is for life and that only that of a christian and non-christian can be ended if the non believer wishes to leave the believer.1 corinthians 7Whilst agree also that calling yourself a christian does not mean you know Christ and born indwelling of the Spirit. That some christians divorce because of physical abuse or mental and verbal abuse and cruelty.The word says that only one sin is unforgiveable. Are you saying that someone who has repented of this sin will not be forgiven and allowed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?Loving Christ is about obeying his commandments. Two believers who really are loving Jesus do not divorce. They put God first so by walking in the fruit of the Spirit as in Galations their marriage never reaches a state where divorce necessary. Divorce is a thing of the flesh not the Spirit.I think if you are a christian in a marriage with problems then the marriage is not having problems but your relationship with God is definately where the problem lies for both partners in the marriage.Because the Spirits fruit and gifts bring the body together in union and love.And a marriage that is having problems have started thinking only of themselves and what they feel. In a marriage each partner must put God first, their partner second and themselves last. Because it is in loving God that you can love your partner and it is in the selfless love of not expecting something in return or a perfect partner that you can love them at all times.It is better to tell people the truth so they can love God and repair their marriage. Note that God says, the person who divorces their partner and the partner then remarries becomes responsible for the partners adultery.So if a believer is left by a non believer and they remarry they are not guilty if they remarry of adultery. The partner is responsible.Faithful.
These are some really good posts. They make you think. It is true that the believer is free from the marriage commitment if married to an unbeliever who wants out. What's tough is when you have a spouse who claims to be a believer, but there are hardly any fruits. In this case, most people opt to get out if the going gets really tough. I know it can get tricky-reality against rumor as far as the adultery issue with your spouse. It's amazing to me how counselors and even pastors will counsel you to get out. I have seen through different eyes. If you can hang in there, being a Godly example (harder to do than say, I know) and have prayer warriors praying for them, that's the high road and the best road, though it's the road less taken. Also, since I am around children and have been for 21 years, I hear that they would rather have their original parents together more than any other wish in life. That's what I try to think of when Satan attacks. I do have many friends who have gone through divorce. My very best friend has! She has found it so hard to forgive herself. The Lord desires restoration and fellowship. If we could do all of this on our own, Christ wouldn't have needed to die on the cross. But praise Him because He did!!!!!
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I believe marriage is for life and that only that of a christian and non-christian can be ended if the non believer wishes to leave the believer.1 corinthians 7
Yes, but that doesn't mean that the believer can then remarry:1 Corinthians 7: 10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. Here is Paul’s teaching to all married people. He says first of all, that we should never separate for any reason just as Jesus did. Then He adds that if any separations should occur, we have two options and two only: 1. remain unmarried 2. be reconciled Next he adds that this applies whether or not the spouse is a believer: 1 Corinthians 7: 12-14 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Whether or not the spouse is an unbeliever is irrelevant as to whether the believer is to keep their covenant. We are commanded to always honor it regardless of the actions of our spouse. Of course some try to create a loophole by taking the next verse out of context and try to claim that it eliminates everything else Paul just said, as well as the rest of scripture, and gives a provision to divorce an unbeliever and remarry without committing adultery. Of course they are completely adding this to the text, and Paul has never said anything of the sort: 1 Corinthians 7: 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. If we limit the text to what it actually says, it only permit’s a believer to allow an unbeliever to depart for the sake of peace, if they refuse to dwell with us. We need to remember the context of this statement: 1. "she consents to live with him" 2. "he consents to live with her" 3. "if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave" The text itself only permits allowing an unbeliever to depart for the sake of peace if they refuse to dwell with the believer. If however they do not refuse then the believer must honor the covenant they made, and if they refuse we still must honor our end of it and remain unmarried or else reconcile with them. The scriptures are consistent throughout when we don’t try to add what is not there. Beyond that, Paul himself refutes the idea that this bondage is anything but dwelling together, by stating that the marriage bond itself is only dissolvable by death: I Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. If the claim that marriage is dissolved by an unbeliever departing were correct, then Paul would have to be schizophrenic as well as being in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Obviously that would be taking his words out of context and creating a loophole that isn’t there. SealedEternal
I believe marriage is for life and that only that of a christian and non-christian can be ended if the non believer wishes to leave the believer.1 corinthians 7
Yes, but that doesn't mean that the believer can then remarry:1 Corinthians 7: 10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. Here is Paul’s teaching to all married people. He says first of all, that we should never separate for any reason just as Jesus did. Then He adds that if any separations should occur, we have two options and two only: 1. remain unmarried 2. be reconciled Next he adds that this applies whether or not the spouse is a believer: 1 Corinthians 7: 12-14 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Whether or not the spouse is an unbeliever is irrelevant as to whether the believer is to keep their covenant. We are commanded to always honor it regardless of the actions of our spouse. Of course some try to create a loophole by taking the next verse out of context and try to claim that it eliminates everything else Paul just said, as well as the rest of scripture, and gives a provision to divorce an unbeliever and remarry without committing adultery. Of course they are completely adding this to the text, and Paul has never said anything of the sort: 1 Corinthians 7: 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. If we limit the text to what it actually says, it only permit’s a believer to allow an unbeliever to depart for the sake of peace, if they refuse to dwell with us. We need to remember the context of this statement: 1. "she consents to live with him" 2. "he consents to live with her" 3. "if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave" The text itself only permits allowing an unbeliever to depart for the sake of peace if they refuse to dwell with the believer. If however they do not refuse then the believer must honor the covenant they made, and if they refuse we still must honor our end of it and remain unmarried or else reconcile with them. The scriptures are consistent throughout when we don’t try to add what is not there. Beyond that, Paul himself refutes the idea that this bondage is anything but dwelling together, by stating that the marriage bond itself is only dissolvable by death: I Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. If the claim that marriage is dissolved by an unbeliever departing were correct, then Paul would have to be schizophrenic as well as being in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Obviously that would be taking his words out of context and creating a loophole that isn’t there. SealedEternal
Of course Paul wished that everyone would remain as he was, so as to be uninhibited to do the Lord's work. He was very intense. You'll get no argument out of me. My desire is, as I said, to make my marriage work. I will not condemn my brothers and sisters, though, if they have been through this. My heart hurts when I hear the struggles some have been through. My prayer is that you will not have to struggle in this area. The Lord sometimes teaches us how to care about others by putting us in their shoes. You and I both need to stay prayed up and be watchful against that roaring lion!
"because God has said that those who divorce and remarry will have no place in His Kingdom."
Well I guess that leaves me out huh....I personally do not think that God, not speaking for him of course I can't.That God would turn away all who have divorced or re-married. Isn't that the purpose of being born agian to repent of your sins and acknowledge that you are a sinner. Theres an old saying that Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." This sounds more like or along the lines of Catholic than any thing else because I know its agianst their doctrine to divorce. It says thou shall not commit adultery that is unforgiveable sin but to divorce and re-marry a sin? Something wrong with this picture or is it me?Oh and for the record before anyone accuses me of denying scripture I am not. Not questioning Gods word either just debating it. Thanks.
Well I guess that leaves me out huh....I personally do not think that God, not speaking for him of course I can't.That God would turn away all who have divorced or re-married. Isn't that the purpose of being born agian to repent of your sins and acknowledge that you are a sinner. Theres an old saying that Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." This sounds more like or along the lines of Catholic than any thing else because I know its agianst their doctrine to divorce. It says thou shall not commit adultery that is unforgiveable sin but to divorce and re-marry a sin? Something wrong with this picture or is it me?Oh and for the record before anyone accuses me of denying scripture I am not. Not questioning Gods word either just debating it. Thanks.
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My prayer is that you will not have to struggle in this area. The Lord sometimes teaches us how to care about others by putting us in their shoes. You and I both need to stay prayed up and be watchful against that roaring lion!
That's the beauty of understanding God's position. My wife and I were not Christians when we married and were susceptible as anyone to falling into Satan's trap of divorcing and potentially entering into an adulterous second marriage.Fortunately for us we became children of God and began molding our lives around His Word. When we discovered that He had joined us as one and we had no option but to stick it out together through thick and thin as we promised, it made our marriage infinitely better. We both had the security of knowing that the other person couldn't change their mind on a whim, plus we both began loving and treating each other as ourselves because we knew we were in it for the long haul.There is no possibility of our marriage "failing" because we are committed to God first and formost and we know that He is always faithful no matter what, and we are committed to do the same fror Him. No matter what sin my wife could potentially commit (theoretically) it makes no difference in how I commit to my marriage covenant, because I am committed to keep my end of the covenant to God. Therefore I cannot use the sin of another (my wife) to justify breaking a covenant I made with Him, since He is the one who joined me to her. When you look at it from that perspective then there is no possibility of failure, and both parties will ultimately benefit by the security and commitment gained by being faithful to God.SealedEternal
My prayer is that you will not have to struggle in this area. The Lord sometimes teaches us how to care about others by putting us in their shoes. You and I both need to stay prayed up and be watchful against that roaring lion!
That's the beauty of understanding God's position. My wife and I were not Christians when we married and were susceptible as anyone to falling into Satan's trap of divorcing and potentially entering into an adulterous second marriage.Fortunately for us we became children of God and began molding our lives around His Word. When we discovered that He had joined us as one and we had no option but to stick it out together through thick and thin as we promised, it made our marriage infinitely better. We both had the security of knowing that the other person couldn't change their mind on a whim, plus we both began loving and treating each other as ourselves because we knew we were in it for the long haul.There is no possibility of our marriage "failing" because we are committed to God first and formost and we know that He is always faithful no matter what, and we are committed to do the same fror Him. No matter what sin my wife could potentially commit (theoretically) it makes no difference in how I commit to my marriage covenant, because I am committed to keep my end of the covenant to God. Therefore I cannot use the sin of another (my wife) to justify breaking a covenant I made with Him, since He is the one who joined me to her. When you look at it from that perspective then there is no possibility of failure, and both parties will ultimately benefit by the security and commitment gained by being faithful to God.SealedEternal
(Two;30763)
Well I guess that leaves me out huh....I personally do not think that God, not speaking for him of course I can't.That God would turn away all who have divorced or re-married. Isn't that the purpose of being born agian to repent of your sins and acknowledge that you are a sinner. Theres an old saying that Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." This sounds more like or along the lines of Catholic than any thing else because I know its agianst their doctrine to divorce. It says thou shall not commit adultery that is unforgiveable sin but to divorce and re-marry a sin? Something wrong with this picture or is it me?Oh and for the record before anyone accuses me of denying scripture I am not. Not questioning Gods word either just debating it. Thanks.
No sin is unforgivable except to deny God's Spirit and His work in our hearts and minds, but His Spirit cannot do so if you choose to walk by your flesh and willfully rebel against Him. Therefore, if we are not willing to submit to Him as our Lord, then He cannot do His Work in us, and we will ultimately die in our sins.Since Jesus has said that "everyone who divorces and remarried commits adultery" then that by definition means that everyone who has done so is now having sexual relations with someone who is not their spouse while being married to another. That means, in order to come to Christ and have His Spirit renew their heart and join them to Him, they must first be willing to end the adulterous affair. If they love their sin more than they love Him, then He says they are not worthy of Him.Repentance literally means to turn around and go the other way. If one is committing adultery, the only way to repent of it is to stop committing it and follow God's commandments.SealedEternal
Well I guess that leaves me out huh....I personally do not think that God, not speaking for him of course I can't.That God would turn away all who have divorced or re-married. Isn't that the purpose of being born agian to repent of your sins and acknowledge that you are a sinner. Theres an old saying that Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." This sounds more like or along the lines of Catholic than any thing else because I know its agianst their doctrine to divorce. It says thou shall not commit adultery that is unforgiveable sin but to divorce and re-marry a sin? Something wrong with this picture or is it me?Oh and for the record before anyone accuses me of denying scripture I am not. Not questioning Gods word either just debating it. Thanks.
No sin is unforgivable except to deny God's Spirit and His work in our hearts and minds, but His Spirit cannot do so if you choose to walk by your flesh and willfully rebel against Him. Therefore, if we are not willing to submit to Him as our Lord, then He cannot do His Work in us, and we will ultimately die in our sins.Since Jesus has said that "everyone who divorces and remarried commits adultery" then that by definition means that everyone who has done so is now having sexual relations with someone who is not their spouse while being married to another. That means, in order to come to Christ and have His Spirit renew their heart and join them to Him, they must first be willing to end the adulterous affair. If they love their sin more than they love Him, then He says they are not worthy of Him.Repentance literally means to turn around and go the other way. If one is committing adultery, the only way to repent of it is to stop committing it and follow God's commandments.SealedEternal
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As far as God divorcing, If you read Jeremiah 3 in total He was not "divorcing" Israel in the sense you're claiming because He say that she was a harlot treacherously departing from Him, and He was begging her to return.
Actually, God did divorce one of his wives Israel, but He did not divorce the other, Judah, the Jews.The point of the Law was that if one could divorce, the man could not take the woman back again. And only a death could break the union. This foreshadowed a breaking of the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses) to be recovenanted in Christ again. The husband, Christ died and was risen again (the new husband). Paul also expands on this as one dying to oneself also signifies a death. The point being, the was a death involved. And the point of not taking the wife back was to signify that Israel could not return to the Law again. They became Gentiles.This is why Israel brings the gospel today (or, at least originally did but are going by the wayside) but the Jews rejected it.The covenants to Israel I think you are referring to are the Abrahamic covenants. These were unconditional covenants promised to the physical seed of Abraham regardless of their state, although God oftentimes withheld their blessings for a season due to disobedience. The Law v.s. grace covenants have to do with our personal relationship (like a marriage) to God.See my thread about the birthright here:BirthrightAnd check my links below.
Actually, God did divorce one of his wives Israel, but He did not divorce the other, Judah, the Jews.The point of the Law was that if one could divorce, the man could not take the woman back again. And only a death could break the union. This foreshadowed a breaking of the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses) to be recovenanted in Christ again. The husband, Christ died and was risen again (the new husband). Paul also expands on this as one dying to oneself also signifies a death. The point being, the was a death involved. And the point of not taking the wife back was to signify that Israel could not return to the Law again. They became Gentiles.This is why Israel brings the gospel today (or, at least originally did but are going by the wayside) but the Jews rejected it.The covenants to Israel I think you are referring to are the Abrahamic covenants. These were unconditional covenants promised to the physical seed of Abraham regardless of their state, although God oftentimes withheld their blessings for a season due to disobedience. The Law v.s. grace covenants have to do with our personal relationship (like a marriage) to God.See my thread about the birthright here:BirthrightAnd check my links below.
quote]Yes, but that doesn't mean that the believer can then remarry(quote)There is no sin in remarriage if you have repented for your sin in a divorce then you best better believe God has forgiven you and wiped the slate clean it is as if you never committed the sin. You are inocent and are free to remarry. To say Otherwise isbelieve God has really not forgiven you and that would be to call God a liar.If one truly repents from ones heart. As far as God is concerned it is Done
(kriss;30776)
There is no sin in remarriage if you have repented for your sin in a divorce then you best better believe God has forgiven you and wiped the slate clean it is as if you never committed the sin. You are inocent and are free to remarry. To say Otherwise isbelieve God has really not forgiven you and that would be to call God a liar.If one truly repents from ones heart. As far as God is concerned it is Done
Jude 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.He forgives you for divorce if you repent but is not giving you a license to commit adultery. Christ did not die so that we could live in sin and rebellion against Him, He died rather to free us from our sin through renewing our hearts and minds so that we could keep His commandments and not find them burdensome.His word states that the covenant is never to be severed, but if you do sin and sever it anyway you must remain unmarried or else reconcile, and if you remarry you are having sexual relations with someone who is not your spouse while being married, and if you do not repent of your adultery you cannot inherit His Kingdom.1 Corinthians 7:10-13 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery." Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.” Romans 7:1-3 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. To advise people to go ahead and live in adultery despite His warning that doing so will ensure that they do not come to know Him and inherit His Kingdom is not good council, and will lead them to an eternity apart from Him.I Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such WERE some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.1 John 5:18 WE KNOW that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.1 John 3:7-10 Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. SealedEternal
There is no sin in remarriage if you have repented for your sin in a divorce then you best better believe God has forgiven you and wiped the slate clean it is as if you never committed the sin. You are inocent and are free to remarry. To say Otherwise isbelieve God has really not forgiven you and that would be to call God a liar.If one truly repents from ones heart. As far as God is concerned it is Done
Jude 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.He forgives you for divorce if you repent but is not giving you a license to commit adultery. Christ did not die so that we could live in sin and rebellion against Him, He died rather to free us from our sin through renewing our hearts and minds so that we could keep His commandments and not find them burdensome.His word states that the covenant is never to be severed, but if you do sin and sever it anyway you must remain unmarried or else reconcile, and if you remarry you are having sexual relations with someone who is not your spouse while being married, and if you do not repent of your adultery you cannot inherit His Kingdom.1 Corinthians 7:10-13 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery." Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.” Romans 7:1-3 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. To advise people to go ahead and live in adultery despite His warning that doing so will ensure that they do not come to know Him and inherit His Kingdom is not good council, and will lead them to an eternity apart from Him.I Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such WERE some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.1 John 5:18 WE KNOW that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.1 John 3:7-10 Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. SealedEternal
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