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Biblical Timeline leading up to the end

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Dave L, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. Dave L

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    There is no temporary physical kingdom planned for this world. The kingdom arrived with Jesus at his first coming Luke 11:20. It is spiritual Luke 17:21, and flesh and blood cannot inherit it 1 Corinthians 15:50. It is a kingdom only the born again can see John 3:3. It is a kingdom of faith and cannot be a kingdom of sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 as millennial theories claim Luke 17:20.

    The great Tribulation was Jewish only and happened as foretold by Jesus in 70 AD. By destroying the temple and Jerusalem Matthew 24:ff. Jesus told his disciples, “when you see” all of this, spoken in the second person plural, meaning those in his present audience, leave Jerusalem. This they did according to history.

    Tribulation is the normal lot of all Christians between the first and Second Advent Acts 14:22.

    Nothing remains unfulfilled before Christ returns*. It will be as in Noah’s day, much like today where people marry and are given in marriage Matthew 24:36–39.

    On the last day Christ returns followed by the resurrection of the Just John 6:39. Followed by the Rapture 1 Corinthians 15:51–53. Accompanied by the resurrection of the damned and their judgment John 5:29. Accompanied by the destruction of the universe by fire, followed by the creation of the New Heavens and Earth 2 Peter 3:10–13. Where believers of all-time meet and live in the house of the Lord forever Psalm 23:6.

    *Many look for the symbols of Revelation to literally appear in the future. But if we look for what the symbols represent, we can see Revelation’s predictions fulfilled time and again throughout history.
     
  2. ScottA

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    That is all pretty good.

    However, you left out one of the most misunderstood passages regarding the timeline: "Every man in his own order." Which means there is no mass, future-only event, as many believe. 1 Corinthians 15:23
     
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    Even amillennialism teaches a mass future event.
     
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    They must be noseless and suffer blindness to elephants in the room.
     
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    Some people love their delusions. Let the blind lead the blind.
     
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    If you are truly born again, you can see the kingdom here now if you know what to look for.
     
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    At least the "blind" in this occasion hold forth their doctrines with multiple scriptures in support of it. If you disagree with it you could always present scripture showing it to be wrong. Except, that's not really what you guys do, is it? You slam us, deride us, all the while quoting Dispensational mantras to support your views rather than scripture. And what little scripture you do give are again, straight out of Dispensational catchphrases; single verses plucked from context and delivered up like a cat dropping a dead rat at your feet in pride like it proves the universe. In point of fact, it proves you can read single verses and not much more.
    Here's the thing....if you want to appear the slightest bit credible, you need to show how the verses Dave used above, or that I've used previously; DON'T mean what we purport they do. That means taking the time and effort to do some serious exegesis. Because just saying "oh...the kingdom isn't now at all" doesn't stand up under Christ saying it "is among you". If you want us and others to believe Jesus is speaking of something entirely different, do the work. But stop with the "you're delusional". Because at least we can use scripture to support our 'delusions'. You guys are just lazy, and frankly, I just find it intellectually dishonest.
     
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    Scriptures have been presented and either rejected, or ignored, or misrepresented, hundreds of times. That is mere excuse for avoiding the real issue -- following the doctrines of men.
     
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    Hmmm, sure. The fact that you do exactly the same thing to us, repeatedly, doesn't seem to enter your mind at all.
    But I don't think I've come across anyone as bad as you and CoreIssue when it comes to systemically NOT refuting things with scripture, or presenting your thoughts with scripture. If I had the time, I could spent endless amounts of time going back over threads and just show how again and again you guys think it is sufficient to scoff and dismiss based on nothing more than just the repeated regurgitations of Dispensational teachings rather than actual scripture. How many times have I begged for you to present scripture and try to prove me wrong? Your normal response is: "well, were's YOUR scriptural proof?" Which is funny, because I usually take great time to present it. But, in response to such questions, I often reply with more scripture...you want to know why? I love the word of God. And I'm actually confident that my view fits what it says. Not that I have fit scripture around my view, making it fit to please me, but that I have arrived at my view because of what I've read in scripture. That is why i have no problem plotting out my case and my doctrine with scripture.
    Dispensationalists, while I disagree with them, don't bother me in general, but people who think they can repeatedly insult you based on their 'superior understanding of scripture'...and then NOT GIVE ANY...are a joke. People who insult you for poor exegsis and inept hermeneutics, but then can only seem to throw out single verses like famine scraps, can't truly be expected to be taken seriously.
     
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    Before you denounce and reject make sure you know what you're talking about.

    Here is pretrib from the 300s.
    Pre Tribulation Rapture
     
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    More claptrap from those who prefer to talk about personalities than actually examine Scripture.

    claptrap
    noun
    clap·trap | \ ˈklap-ˌtrap \
    Definition of claptrap
    (Entry 1 of 2)

    : pretentious nonsense : TRASH
     
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    Not going to argue with you, but if you're still alive for the coming "great tribulation" event Jesus foretold us, His Church about, you will then change your tune. We are to make a 'stand' against the coming Antichrist, and have our Gospel armour on (Eph.6).
     
  17. Dave L

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    It will be as in the days of Noah when Jesus returns. It could be today.
     
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    Jesus gave us the signs to be watching for, and the main sign for the end has not happened yet, and will be the event that starts the time of "great tribulation" He warned of. It's called the "abomination of desolation" in the Book of Daniel, and it will occur in Jerusalem. It is about idol worship being setup in Jerusalem by the coming false-Messiah.
     
  19. Dave L

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    The OoD happened in 70 AD. I can provide details if interested.
     
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    You and I will disagree on that until you see it happening in our near future, as I think we are that close to the end of this world when the pseudo-Christ shows up in Jerusalem to bring in a false world peace, and help the Jews build their new temple. I have a feeling you and I will still be alive when that happens.
     
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