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Reader..

To understand why a born again person has been made free from sin, is to first understand that "God made Jesus to become Sin" for them.
So...You have to understand that this has happened regarding all the Born again. = Jesus BECAME all their Sin.
This is why Paul teaches you that "the old man of Sin, is CRUCIFIED with CHRIST", and the born again are to "reckon him DEAD".

John does. And that is why he wrote this..

1 John 3:9 says that the born again cannot sin.

Paul does.. and that is why he wrote this..

Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again.

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Listen...

1) .Here is a part of the "sin" understanding..

Unbelievers, are "under the Law", and the LAW's Dominion is what defines you as a SINNER, and your DEEDS as "SIN">

The Born again, are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE"...
This means that they exist in the Kingdom of God, "under GRACE".... and there is no LAW found there, or Commandments.
See, there is no Moses Law or 10 Commandments found in HEAVEN, as ... Does God need them?
Not quite.
So, because of this, there is no defining a deed as "Sin", regarding a born again person who literally exists here : "seated in HEAVENLY Places, IN Christ".
All the born again exist : "IN Christ".
Where is Christ?
= Saint, where He is, is where you are also, if you are born again.
And there is NO SIN FOUND THERE..

2.) Here is another part of the "sin" understanding..

Before Adam FELL, he was sinless, and RIGHTEOUS.
When Jesus came, as the 2nd ADAM.....>He provided righteousness that was His own, to all the born again, and BECAME their SIN...on The Cross.
See that?
That is the "divine Exchange"..
So, when you become "the righteousness of God in Christ"... having received "the GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS"... then you now EXIT as that for eternity.. = Born Again.
THis is why the Born again will meet God as FATHER, and never as eternal Judge.


3.) Here is another part of the "sin" understanding.

Paul, when speaking to the believers....refers to their carnal deeds as "works of the flesh". He does not call them SIN., and that is because they are not under the Law, and so their wrong deeds are not defined as sin...
HE then says.....>"misuse not the Grace of God... (the forgiveness for all your sin)... this LIBERTY...to >choose< to enjoy a work of the flesh".

See that "work of the flesh"? That is how "under GRACE" defines it.

But if you are not born again, then the LAW has dominion over you, and so that deed is defined by the Law as "SIN".
 

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"Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently." Galatians 6:1

Are you trying and failing to be a "Gotcha" Troll again, on another one of my Threads, Ferris?

See, you are the person who never talks about the Cross of Christ in a post, unless i point it out again.
So, here you are trying to offer your usual confusion, using one verse.
You are the "one verse" forum master, and you should not be so proud of that status.

So, Am i surprised that you are here, Ferris?

Notice ........"someone".

Notice He does not say..>"Brothers'.. If you see a "BROTHER or a BRETHREN".
Why is that Ferreis?
Why does the Apostle not say that??
Its because if they were, He'd say....>"work of the Flesh".

Listen... , if you do look more now, regarding that verse......sometimes the "someone" is refereed to as "man", etc, but any real bible, will not translate that "someone" into Saint, Son of God, Brethren, , etc.

You can also read about the boy who was committing incest with his Father's new wife.
Paul never refers to him as born again., and so, he dealt with him differently in that situation.

Now, try this.


3.) Here is another part of the "sin" understanding.

Paul, when speaking to the believers....refers to their carnal deeds as "works of the flesh". He does not call them SIN., and that is because they are not under the Law, and so their wrong deeds are not defined as sin...
HE then says.....>"misuse not the Grace of God... (the forgiveness for all your sin)... this LIBERTY...to >choose< to enjoy a work of the flesh".

See that "work of the flesh"? That is how "under GRACE" defines it.

But if you are not born again, then the LAW has dominion over you, and so that deed is defined by the Law as "SIN".
 
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Never listen to anyone starting out with Reader. It sounds a whole lot like, Behold. I am here.

Paul does not call the works of the flesh sin, but the works of the unrighteous, that shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But that's apples and oranges, since all unrighteousness is sin.

Only OSAS could come up with making difference between doing the works of the flesh and sinning, because they are no more called sinning because the law is dead, and yet quoting the law of Christ about what unrighteous sinning and works of the flesh are.

But what does anyone expect from someone who also makes up a difference between the soul sinning and the body sinning, as though they aren't related to one another.
 

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The only ones not sinning are not sinners. That includes sin of the spirit and of the flesh, which is why they are called unrighteous works of the flesh.

And to claim you're not a sinner while doing the works of the flesh, because you are not trying to keep the law of Christ is delusional.

No one transgressing the law of Christ cares about His law while sinning against Him.
 

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Have you ever considered writing a book?
Your teachings here and on any forum is fractured because you respond to differing threads.

Whereas a book could be compiled to cover Apologetics, Soteriology, Hermeneutics, Exegesis, etc...as you decide the book outline.




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Reader..

To understand why a born again person has been made free from sin, is to first understand that "God made Jesus to become Sin" for them.
So...You have to understand that this has happened regarding all the Born again. = Jesus BECAME all their Sin.
This is why Paul teaches you that "the old man of Sin, is CRUCIFIED with CHRIST", and the born again are to "reckon him DEAD".

John does. And that is why he wrote this..

1 John 3:9 says that the born again cannot sin.

Paul does.. and that is why he wrote this..

Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again.

================================================

Listen...

1) .Here is a part of the "sin" understanding..

Unbelievers, are "under the Law", and the LAW's Dominion is what defines you as a SINNER, and your DEEDS as "SIN">

The Born again, are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE"...
This means that they exist in the Kingdom of God, "under GRACE".... and there is no LAW found there, or Commandments.
See, there is no Moses Law or 10 Commandments found in HEAVEN, as ... Does God need them?
Not quite.
So, because of this, there is no defining a deed as "Sin", regarding a born again person who literally exists here : "seated in HEAVENLY Places, IN Christ".
All the born again exist : "IN Christ".
Where is Christ?
= Saint, where He is, is where you are also, if you are born again.
And there is NO SIN FOUND THERE..

2.) Here is another part of the "sin" understanding..

Before Adam FELL, he was sinless, and RIGHTEOUS.
When Jesus came, as the 2nd ADAM.....>He provided righteousness that was His own, to all the born again, and BECAME their SIN...on The Cross.
See that?
That is the "divine Exchange"..
So, when you become "the righteousness of God in Christ"... having received "the GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS"... then you now EXIT as that for eternity.. = Born Again.
THis is why the Born again will meet God as FATHER, and never as eternal Judge.


3.) Here is another part of the "sin" understanding.

Paul, when speaking to the believers....refers to their carnal deeds as "works of the flesh". He does not call them SIN., and that is because they are not under the Law, and so their wrong deeds are not defined as sin...
HE then says.....>"misuse not the Grace of God... (the forgiveness for all your sin)... this LIBERTY...to >choose< to enjoy a work of the flesh".

See that "work of the flesh"? That is how "under GRACE" defines it.

But if you are not born again, then the LAW has dominion over you, and so that deed is defined by the Law as "SIN".
 

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Never listen to anyone starting out with Reader. It sounds a whole lot like, Behold. I am here....
Or, it sounds like a proper salutation being this is a message board, a forum, where people communicate by writing and reading one another as opposed to a live chat.
In which case the salutation would rightly be, dear listener.
 

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But what does anyone expect from someone who also makes up a difference between the soul sinning and the body sinning, as though they aren't related to one another.

If you are not born again, then what you said makes perfect sense.
However, if you are born again, then what you said, has no relationship regarding any understanding of what it means to be "born again".
 

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Born Again = Not a Sinner
OP ^

First and Last and Forever, Truth, Power, Savior, Deliverer...
Holy, Holy, Holy our Great Lord God Almighty;
Amen!

2 Cor 5:
[
17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 Cor 5:
[
18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2 Tim 1:
[
9] Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began...

Titus 3:
[
5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Rom 8:
[
1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Col 1:
[
13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

1 Thes 1:
[
10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

OP -> Born Again = Not a Sinner

Amen and Amen!

Glory to our Great Lord God Almighty,
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The evil one deceives people into thinking they are free of sin and even free from its temptation.
Meanwhile this pumps ups the victims pride, Lucifers favourite sin

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:8

Careful Cristo, quotes applying to men who say they HAVE NO SIN, does not apply to men WHO acknowledged their SIN, called on the Lord, Confessed their SIN, and was Forgiven their SIN, and Gave their Body unto Death Crucified with the Lord, their Christ Jesus, and was MADE a new creature, BY the Power of God.

They ARE Forgiven Sinners, They ARE New creatures, They ARE Born of Gods Seed, They ARE with Gods Spirit IN them...
They ARE THEY...that can SIN...no more.

THEY ARE NOT a man who claimed to HAVE NO SIN.
THEY ARE a man WHO CONFESSED his SIN.

Glory to God,
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Paul, when speaking to the believers....refers to their carnal deeds as "works of the flesh"

He does not call them SIN., and that is because they are not under the Law, and so their wrong deeds are not defined as sin...

Believers are warned:

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)

So what is this foolishness you’re speaking of now?
 

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"Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently." Galatians 6:1


Yes there are men who one day follow and Believe, and the next day say they Deny their Belief...

Biblical example; Peter.

Revealing...men can follow, believe, doubt, follow, believe, deny, follow believe, believe, believe, Become crucified with Christ Jesus and by the Act of the the Lords Conversion, and the Power of God IN them, Never again ... doubt, deny, ie SIN.

Gal 6:1
Brothers, IF someone is caught in a sin....(doubting, denying)...you WHO are spiritual (Converted), should restore (speak to him about his DOUBTING, DENYING SIN) gently.

Following, Believing......IS NOT Conversion.
Followers, Believers CAN doubt, deny, FALL AWAY.

Inasmuch as SATAN (and power sitting wicked men) targets the WEAK, followers, believers to sway them AWAY from following and believing...
Gal 6:1 is Scriptural instruction FOR the Converted IN Christ (ie those WHO ARE spiritual), TO as well, convince them WITH Gods Word, to continue following and believing in a HOPE they also WILL BECOME converted.

Gal 6:1 has nothing to do with a converted man committing sin.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Believers are warned:

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)

So what is this foolishness you’re speaking of now?

Yes Believers are WARNED....Believers CAN FALL Away and doubt, deny, reject what they believed.

You can Believe for Years, so what?

Believing is SIMPLY A HOPE you WILL BE SAVED.

Conversion IS THE ACT of Gods Works....you ARE SAVED.

Do you not know WHY there IS a difference between...
Shall be Saved.....and IS Saved?

Do you not know WHAT that difference is?
 

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Never listen to anyone starting out with Reader. It sounds a whole lot like, Behold. I am here.

Paul does not call the works of the flesh sin, but the works of the unrighteous, that shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But that's apples and oranges, since all unrighteousness is sin.

Only OSAS could come up with making difference between doing the works of the flesh and sinning, because they are no more called sinning because the law is dead, and yet quoting the law of Christ about what unrighteous sinning and works of the flesh are.

But what does anyone expect from someone who also makes up a difference between the soul sinning and the body sinning, as though they aren't related to one another.

You are strangely impaired to have missed great Lessons in Scripture.

Christ the Lord Jesus WILL forgive over and over and over, Followers, Believers, who follow, leave, return...who believe, deny, believe...
Who believe, doubt, believe.......
It’s the...”I can’t decide for sure crowd”.
It’s the...”Believer who is intrigued with with witchcraft and then denies”
It’s the ..”Believer who follows men to save them and doubt God”
It’s the wishy washy man WHO CAN MAKE NO COMMITMENT...
......you know.....LIKE YOU PROMOTE!

Christ the Lord Jesus WILL forgive ONCE and FOREVER a Believer, WHO is freely willing to LAY DOWN HIS LIFE UNTO DEATH, FOR his Belief in the Lord God Almighty...
....Receive FORGIVENESS ONCE and forever!
....Receive THE TOTAL “MAKE over, by the Power of God.
....KEEP the TOTAL “MAKE” over, body, soul, spirit...by the Power of God.

You know...that total MAKING of a New Creature...that has been exhaustively revealed and discussed.......
AND YOU DENY and PREACH AGAINST thread and post after post.

That puts you squarely in the category of denying and preaching AGAINST the Word of God...

No matter, that shall be accounted to you and you alone.
Might want to consider face to face with Jesus, explaining WHY you preached His Works of Conversion and Making men a new creature, was not true...and wonder....what shall be your judgement for dissing Jesus...:(
 

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Never listen to anyone starting out with Reader.

BEWARE of anyone teaching / preaching THAT Christ the Lord Jesus’ Power to Forgive Forever, to Restore a mans soul Forever, to Quicken a mans spirit Forever, and BE WITH the Lord God Almighty Forever...
.......is FALSE.

Against Christ the Lord Jesus’ Power to Save once and forever....
Against Gods Power to Birth Again and Keep from sin forever...

BEWARE...^^^^ of FALSE preachers, teachers...

 

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If you are not born again, then what you said makes perfect sense.
However, if you are born again, then what you said, has no relationship regarding any understanding of what it means to be "born again".
You go from being the self-proclaimed unrighteous sinners of modern Christianity, to being the only Christians not sinning by not obeying the law of Christ written by His apostles for the NT.

The problem is you think this is spiritual enlightenment rather than strong delusion, because you don't know the simple difference between the deep things of God and the depths of Satan.

The simple difference is between reading and teaching what is written in Scripture, vs reading and interpreting what you want our of Scripture.

And since you believe letters on paper no longer matter to you, then it is no surprise you unashamedly choose to the latter. The only question is why bother, since the letters no longer matter? It can only be with the devil's delight in intellectual cleverness, that turns the truth of God into a lie.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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The only ones not sinning are not sinners. That includes sin of the spirit and of the flesh, which is why they are called unrighteous works of the flesh.

And to claim you're not a sinner while doing the works of the flesh, because you are not trying to keep the law of Christ is delusional.

No one transgressing the law of Christ cares about His law while sinning against Him.

The SAVED, The QUICKENED, ARE the BORN AGAIN.
Ding, ding, ding.......THEIR natural flesh DIED, crucified with Christ!

What DOING the works of the Flesh are YOU TALKING ABOUT?
 

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You go from being the self-proclaimed unrighteous sinners of modern Christianity, to being the only Christians not sinning by not obeying the law of Christ written by His apostles for the NT.

Laws OF THE Apostles?
What Laws did the Apostles write?
 

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Let me help you get started with listing the Laws the Apostles Wrote with a simple concise format for all to see.

1) Apostles Name;
** A) Law this Apostle wrote;
** B) Scriptural reference;