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The “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history. It is a reference to a period of judgment called the 7 year Tribulation. The midway point is called the Great Tribulation. Are we close to the start of that day now?

That part in 'red' above, NOPE, NOT TRUE. The "day of the Lord" is LITERALLY the LAST DAY of this present world.


Here's a little test for your preacher who you obviously got that false idea from...

Be ready for an earful of baloney too if you decide to ask him about the following...

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV


Using common sense means knowing the tribulation cannot be going on if that "day of the Lord" event happens at ANY time other time than the 'last day' of this world.
 
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Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the arrogant and evildoers will be as stubble – that Day will burn them up, leaving them neither root nor branch.

Amos 5:18-20 Woe betide those who long for the Day of the Lord. What will that Day mean for you? It will be darkness, not light. It will be as when someone runs from a lion, only to be confronted by a bear, or as when he leans on a wall and is bitten by a snake. The Day of the Lord is indeed darkness, not light. In no way is this about the Return of Jesus.

Darkness caused by the approaching mass of a CME, obscuring the sun.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord is near and coming fast, no runner is so swift as that Day. That Day is a Day of wrath, of anguish and torment, a Day of destruction and devastation, a Day of darkness and cloud, a Day of trumpet blasts and battle cries against fortifications. I shall bring dire distress on people, they will walk like the blind because of their sins against Me. Their blood will be poured out, their dead bodies like dung. Neither their silver or gold will avail to save them on the Day of the Lord’s wrath. By the fire of His jealousy, the whole land will be consumed, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the land. This is also the “third swing of the sword” Ezekiel 21:8-16, the final judgement of Judah and cannot be at the Return.

Psalms 37:20 The enemies of the Lord will perish like fuel in a furnace, they will go up in smoke.

Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked men have been set ablaze, like a fire fed with thorn bushes. They are wrapped in a pall of smoke, the land is scorched by the fury of the Lord and the people are fuel for the fire.

Isaiah 24:19-20 The earth is shattered, it is convulsed and reels wildly. The earth lurches like a drunkard and sways like a watchman’s shelter, because the sins of its inhabitants weigh heavily upon it, and it falls to rise no more.

falls, to rise no more’, from the chapter context, this is not complete or permanent, therefore the world recovers from it.

Revelation 6:12-17 I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal. There was a violent earthquake, the sun turned black and the moon red. The starry host [satellites?] fell to the earth, like figs blown off the tree and the sky rolled up like a scroll. All peoples were terrified and hid themselves, calling out: Who can hide us from the One who sits on the Throne and the wrath of the Lamb? For their great Day of vengeance and wrath has come and who can stand? Isaiah 34:4

Isaiah 2:12-22 The Lord has a Day of doom prepared, for all the proud and ungodly peoples. He alone, will be exalted on that Day. Everyone will throw away their idols and their money, they will crawl into hiding places when He comes to strike the world with terror.
Ref: REB. Some verses abridged

All these verses listed above match with the Sixth Seal, an event that takes place before all the other Revelation happenings, such as the trumpet and Bowl judgements, the beasts, the fall of mystery Babylon and the rescue of the ‘Woman’. As it can be shown, the first five seal judgements have already been opened, therefore the next prophesied event that we can expect in our world will be the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath – a powerful and terrible judgement, by fire from the sun, that will destroy His enemies. This will make ‘a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land’, that is all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates, when enemies commence their attack on Israel. ‘all peoples will be terrified’, this will affect all the world and enable the formation of a One World government, also the gathering of the Christian Israelites into all of the holy Land.
 

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That part in 'red' above, NOPE, NOT TRUE. The "day of the Lord" is LITERALLY the LAST DAY of this present world.


Here's a little test for your preacher who you obviously got that false idea from...

Be ready for an earful of baloney too if you decide to ask him about the following...

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV


Using common sense means knowing the tribulation cannot be going on if that "day of the Lord" event happens at ANY time other time than the 'last day' of this world.


I have always reference that day of the Lord or the Lords day as the entirety of that time ... based on prophecy ....with the different prophesied events that happen under the title of the "Day of the Lord"....(because not everything happens at once)
Sometimes I will reference the start as .... the beginning of sorrows.

I don't know maybe it's not right ...
 

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None of that is actually said in scripture, that is opinion only.
Correct. The false Pre-trib Rapture school has taken it upon themselves to ADD another false doctrine to their list. It is their vain attempt to MOVE the "day of the Lord" events backwards to the START of the "great tribulation". Why?

It is because they push a rapture of the Church PRIOR... to the start of the "great tribulation" (which of course is nowhere's written in God's Word). And the "day of the Lord" events, even by Christ's Apostles, is revealed to occur on the 'day' of Christ's future coming to gather His Church. Lord Jesus Himself warned us that He comes "as a thief", which is pointing to the metaphor that both Apostles Paul and Peter gave about the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night".

So possibly, there's been some brethren under the false pre-trib rapture deception that saw that "day of the Lord" timed with Jesus' coming, and they started asking their pre-trib preachers about it? Sounds like that is what happened. So to counter their questioning, the pre-trib rapture doctors simply 'moved'... that "day of the Lord" time to be at the START of the "great tribulation". What audacity those charlatans have! They will have their reward for deceiving so many brethren on their false doctrines.
 
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Correct. The false Pre-trib Rapture school has taken it upon themselves to ADD another false doctrine to their list. It is their vain attempt to MOVE the "day of the Lord" events backwards to the START of the "great tribulation". Why?

It is because they push a rapture of the Church PRIOR... to the start of the "great tribulation" (which of course is nowhere's written in God's Word). And the "day of the Lord" events, even by Christ's Apostles, is revealed to occur on the 'day' of Christ's future coming to gather His Church. Lord Jesus Himself warned us that He comes "as a thief", which is pointing to the metaphor that both Apostles Paul and Peter gave about the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night".

So possibly, there's been some brethren under the false pre-trib rapture deception that saw that "day of the Lord" timed with Jesus' coming, and they started asking their pre-trib preachers about it? Sounds like that is what happened. So to counter their questioning, the pre-trib rapture doctors simply 'moved'... that "day of the Lord" time to be at the START of the "great tribulation". What audacity those charlatans have! They will have their reward for deceiving so many brethren on their false doctrines.
Imo, the Dol starts w/ the opening of the 6th seal which is before the end of the week but nothing in scripture associates it w/ the GT.
 
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When the Lord comes to earth, the day of the Lord on earth is come.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
 

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Imo, the Dol starts w/ the opening of the 6th seal which is before the end of the week but nothing in scripture associates it w/ the GT.
In Revelation 16:15 Lord Jesus associates the "day of the Lord" with the final 7th Vial event, which is about the last day of this world. Jesus said there that He comes "as a thief", and that metaphor is the one which Paul and Peter used about the "day of the Lord".

(The 6th Seal contains 'last day' events with Christ's coming, so one needs to be careful with how to think about it, since the 7th Seal is like a Psalms 'selah'.)
 

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In Revelation 16:15 Lord Jesus associates the "day of the Lord" with the final 7th Vial event, which is about the last day of this world. Jesus said there that He comes "as a thief", and that metaphor is the one which Paul and Peter used about the "day of the Lord".

(The 6th Seal contains 'last day' events with Christ's coming, so one needs to be careful with how to think about it, since the 7th Seal is like a Psalms 'selah'.)
I tend to read Rev. as generally occurring chronologically and metaphors can be used to describe different things. Because of unbelief and the unsaved believing the lie "both" the rapture/resurrection and Armageddon will take the unbelieving and unrepentant world by surprise.
 

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I tend to read Rev. as generally occurring chronologically and metaphors can be used to describe different things. Because of unbelief and the unsaved believing the lie "both" the rapture/resurrection and Armageddon will take the unbelieving and unrepentant world by surprise.
I see the order of events in Christ's Book of Revelation as 'parallels'. The day of God's Wrath is shown on the 6th Seal, and that is even before the 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial mentions that day of Wrath. That means not all the events are 'chronological'. One would have to be a magician to try and manipulate the order of events in Revelation to make them read chronologically.

The reason why the day of God's Wrath and Christ's coming is shown on the 6th Seal is because the Seals of Rev.6 are aligned with the Signs of the end Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse. Jesus gave only 7 main Signs in His Olivet discourse, and the last Sign He gave was that of His coming and gathering of His saints. Likewise in Rev.6, we are given those same 7 Signs with the Seals, with the 7th Seal serving as a 'selah' (a Hebrew word for 'pause', and per the Psalms a musical rest sign). The 'selah' serves as a command to stop and ponder, and think about what was just said. This is why with the 7th Seal there is silence for half an hour.

Ps 48:8
8 As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever.
Selah.
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SELAH
Seventy-one times in the Psalms, three times in Habakkuk. From
shelah, "rest." A music mark denoting a pause, during which the singers ceased to sing and only the instruments were heard. Septuagint diapsalma, a break in the psalm introduced where the sense requires a rest. It is a call to calm reflection on the preceding words. Hence, in Ps 9:16 it follows
higgaion, "meditation." The selah reminds us that the psalm requires a peaceful and meditative soul which can apprehend what the Holy Spirit propounds. Thus it is most suggestive, and far from being, as Smith's Bible Dictionary alleges of this sense, "superfluous." Delitsseh takes it from
saalal ("to lift up," a musical forte, the piano singing then ceasing, and the instruments alone playing with execution an interlude after sentences of peculiar importance, so as to emphasize them.
(from Fausset's Bible Dictionary, Electronic Database Copyright © 1998, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
 
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I see the order of events in Christ's Book of Revelation as 'parallels'
This idea simply doesn't relate to the Revelation narrative.
Also, in no way does the Sixth Seal fit when Jesus Returns.

Isn't it evident that there has to be some kind of dramatic event to commence the end times? To enable the establishment of a One World Govt and all the things Prophesied before Jesus Returns?
It will be the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, Prophesied over 100 times in the Bible, which will set the scene and change the world.
We should be aware of what the Lord so plainly says He intends to do.
 

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I see the order of events in Christ's Book of Revelation as 'parallels'. The day of God's Wrath is shown on the 6th Seal, and that is even before the 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial mentions that day of Wrath. That means not all the events are 'chronological'. One would have to be a magician to try and manipulate the order of events in Revelation to make them read chronologically.

The reason why the day of God's Wrath and Christ's coming is shown on the 6th Seal is because the Seals of Rev.6 are aligned with the Signs of the end Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse. Jesus gave only 7 main Signs in His Olivet discourse, and the last Sign He gave was that of His coming and gathering of His saints. Likewise in Rev.6, we are given those same 7 Signs with the Seals, with the 7th Seal serving as a 'selah' (a Hebrew word for 'pause', and per the Psalms a musical rest sign). The 'selah' serves as a command to stop and ponder, and think about what was just said. This is why with the 7th Seal there is silence for half an hour.

Ps 48:8
8 As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever.
Selah.
KJV




SELAH
Seventy-one times in the Psalms, three times in Habakkuk. From
shelah, "rest." A music mark denoting a pause, during which the singers ceased to sing and only the instruments were heard. Septuagint diapsalma, a break in the psalm introduced where the sense requires a rest. It is a call to calm reflection on the preceding words. Hence, in Ps 9:16 it follows
higgaion, "meditation." The selah reminds us that the psalm requires a peaceful and meditative soul which can apprehend what the Holy Spirit propounds. Thus it is most suggestive, and far from being, as Smith's Bible Dictionary alleges of this sense, "superfluous." Delitsseh takes it from
saalal ("to lift up," a musical forte, the piano singing then ceasing, and the instruments alone playing with execution an interlude after sentences of peculiar importance, so as to emphasize them.
(from Fausset's Bible Dictionary, Electronic Database Copyright © 1998, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
The DOL is over a thousand yrs. long, it is "not" one day and ends "after" the millennium. Matt. 24:29-31 is the rapture/resurrection "not" the physical second coming, imo.
 

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The DOL is over a thousand yrs. long, it is "not" one day and ends "after" the millennium.
Many Prophesies make it clear that the Day of the Lord's Firey wrath, is for just one literal day. Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 29:5-8, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 18:8
You could say the Millennium, when Jesus reigns as King, will be as one day to God in heaven.
Matt. 24:29-31 is the rapture/resurrection "not" the physical second coming, imo.
Matthew 24:30 is perfectly clear: ....that Day the Son of man comes in power and great glory.
There will be no 'rapture/ resurrection' then; or until the end of the Millennium.
 

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Many Prophesies make it clear that the Day of the Lord's Firey wrath, is for just one literal day. Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 29:5-8, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 18:8
You could say the Millennium, when Jesus reigns as King, will be as one day to God in heaven.

Matthew 24:30 is perfectly clear: ....that Day the Son of man comes in power and great glory.
There will be no 'rapture/ resurrection' then; or until the end of the Millennium.
What prophesies describe is simply day one w/ many more to follow. It seems like you took a bunch of scriptures about different things nd try to make them into one, it doesn't work. None of your scrips are about the DOL: Isaiah 9:14 (not the DoL), Isaiah 29:5-8 (fulfilled in 70ad), Zechariah 3:9 (not about the DoL), Revelation 18:8 (not about the DOL, simply the destruction of Mystery Babylon, America, imo, which could be by nukes.) Here's some info you could use, 98% of the time when the OT prophets are speaking of "the day" or "in that day", etc. it means the day (era) that Messiah reigns on earth. Jesus always has power and great glory and yes the rapture/resurrection of Matt. 24:31 is part of day 1 of the DoL. It can easily be seen that Rev. encompasses the "whole" of the DoL, from the rapture/resurrection which leads to the beginning of the trumpet judgements, then vials, then destruction of Babylon, Armageddon, the millennium until the GWTJ, ALL are parts of the DoL!
 

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falls, to rise no more’, from the chapter context, this is not complete or permanent, therefore the world recovers from it.
"False"

On "The Day Of The Lord" this earth will be "Dissolved" by fire, down to its very "Elements" (The End)

"Shall Be Dissolved"

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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What prophesies describe is simply day one w/ many more to follow. It seems like you took a bunch of scriptures about different things nd try to make them into one, it doesn't work. None of your scrips are about the DOL: Isaiah 9:14 (not the DoL), Isaiah 29:5-8 (fulfilled in 70ad), Zechariah 3:9 (not about the DoL), Revelation 18:8 (not about the DOL, simply the destruction of Mystery Babylon, America, imo, which could be by nukes.) Here's some info you could use, 98% of the time when the OT prophets are speaking of "the day" or "in that day", etc. it means the day (era) that Messiah reigns on earth. Jesus always has power and great glory and yes the rapture/resurrection of Matt. 24:31 is part of day 1 of the DoL. It can easily be seen that Rev. encompasses the "whole" of the DoL, from the rapture/resurrection which leads to the beginning of the trumpet judgements, then vials, then destruction of Babylon, Armageddon, the millennium until the GWTJ, ALL are parts of the DoL!
I'm glad to see you compare the cited scripture to the claims made, it's standard procedure that there is no relationship

The late "Jack Van Impe", was the master of this illusion, as he would make a claim and shout out 10 scriptures that had no relationship, smiles

Good job, you are catching on in exposing the false claims made, and it's not going to stop, I been watching it for "Years"

Jesus Is The Lord
 

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the time when the OT prophets are speaking of "the day" or "in that day", etc. it means the day (era) that Messiah reigns on earth. Jesus always has power and great glory and yes the rapture/resurrection of Matt. 24:31 is part of day 1 of the DoL. It can easily be seen that Rev. encompasses the "whole" of the DoL, from the rapture/resurrection which leads to the beginning of the trumpet judgements, then vials, then destruction of Babylon, Armageddon, the millennium until the GWTJ, ALL are parts of the DoL!
On the day of the Lord,this earth is "Dissolved" by fire, just as post #16 above clearly shows, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom,where Jesus reigns on this earth following as you claim

Jesus Is The Lord
 

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Messiah reigns on earth.
Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

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On the day of the Lord,this earth is "Dissolved" by fire, just as post #16 above clearly shows, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom,where Jesus reigns on this earth following as you claim

Jesus Is The Lord
Post 16 is speaking of the "last" day of the 1000 yr. long DoL found in Rev.20:9, imo.
 
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