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Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by HammerStone, Oct 7, 2007.

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    Well, there you go folks. That's shows president Bush who he is. He has no wisdom whatsoever about the Almighty God, YHWH and Yahshua, His Begotten Son of God.WE NEED TO WAKE UP!Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Sure they pray to the same God.Problem is they just pray to the one part therefor negating their prayers by not accepting His truth and in effect creating an entirely different false god.I know this sounds confusing so No Bush is wrong.
     
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    Sure they pray to the same God.Problem is they just pray to the one part therefor negating their prayers by not accepting His truth and in effect creating an entirely different false god.I know this sounds confusing so No Bush is wrong.
    There is no possisble way that a muslim worshipped the same God. Their religion is a religion of bloodbath. And they don't believe that Yahshua is the Son of God...they believe that God doesn't have a Son...they don't believe that He died on the cross whatsoever.Allah is not our God.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    I was being sarcastic,please read the rest of the post.
     
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    I actually like President Bush!I was pretty offended by him making this commit also when it happened!I really think that He made this statement too try to calm down political relations, which was definately the wrong stance for Him too take!
     
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    “Survival of World” At Stake --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Muslim Leaders Confess “Survival of World” At StakeOctober 12, 2007 | From theTrumpet.comChristianity and Islam must get along, Islamic scholars say. Is peace on the horizon for these two religions? “The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians,” an unprecedented document released yesterday states. An open letter from 138 leading scholars from a range of Islamic sects was sent to numerous Christian leaders, including Pope Benedict xvi, the patriarch of Constantinople and the archbishop of Canterbury. The letter called for greater harmony between the two religions. The letter says that the issue is so important, “the very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake.” The document emphasizes the common ground that exists between Islam and Christianity. It claims that both religions are based on a belief in one God, and that one must love Him and fellow man. It also states that the Koran requires Muslims to live peacefully with Christians: “Islam is not against them—so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes.” Its end is optimistic: “so let our differences not cause hatred and strife between us. Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works.” After 14 centuries of these two religions conflicting with one another in a repetitive cycle of jihads and crusades, this letter from Muslim scholars comes at a time of escalating hostility between Islam and the West. Many in Europe have voiced concerns over the growing number of Muslims in Europe. Only two weeks ago, outgoing Bavarian premier and friend of Pope Benedict xvi, Edmund Stoiber, said, “When the mosques in our cities are bigger than cathedrals and churches, then we must tell our Muslim fellow citizens, ‘No, that is going too far.’ Church towers, not minarets, should be what you see when you look out across the state.” A growing number of people both within the Catholic Church and within Islam believe that theirs is the only true religion, a tenent that has claimed scores of lives in the past and is set to take even more in the future. Many other nations and institutions across Europe also have a history of conflict with Muslims. Bible prophecy states that the unprecedented peace between Christians and Muslims that this letter proposes will not occur in the short term. In fact, it predicts that tensions will only get worse, culminating in all-out war. The Muslim scholars are correct in asserting that “the very survival of the world” is at stake; the Bible states that human life would be extinguished altogether in the coming conflagration if not for intervention from God.__________________More of the same One world religion
     
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    I really very much dislike President Bush. And that's putting it mildly. But before anyone thinks I'm a leftist president basher, I must confess I helped to vote him in and originally thought more of him. I'm normally Libertarian, but in the past presidential election the candidate we had I thought was a real jerk getting arrested for his protesting and all that, so I voted the next party closest to ours into office, which is the Republican party (the Republicans borrow a lot of Libertarian ideas---- candidate Ron Paul was originally Libertarian and his ideas sound a lot like what I think in politics.)But, I guess God had a plan and guided my hand to the one who would start the ruin of this nation IMO as Bush did a lot to undermine the constitution, and to bring more of a one-world order. Maybe this is the hand of God bringing judgment to this nation and puppeteered my hand to join the masses to bring it about. When God has His will, who can refuse it?---- thus I acted it out.However, that being said, I stand just as guilty and responsible for voting him in as all of us. There are times when people are obvious jerks and I don't hesitate to say so. But when I make the same foolish mistake, I am man enough to stand in front of the mirror (and to confess to all of you) that I am just as much to blame for this. Thank God no sin is unforgivable.
     
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    Well put Tim I am equally guilty of voting him into office .How wrong I was I have sensed changed my affilation to indepentant as I dislike the behavior of most all our elected officials who use their mouths to confess being for God and country and are in fact for self and party it has become a government of the party by the party for the party and God and country and people be damnedThank God he is in control of the nations my only comfort is knowing he is bringing about his plan not ours
     
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    When I voted in the election, I voted for John Kerry, and I am guilty of voting for anybody, since I know no knowledge about anybody...in short it is better for me to stay independent and be dependent on God.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Unfortunately Mr Bush has also been taken in by the Islamic taqqiya propagandists.Mr Bush the serpent is whispering in your ear.Most of our Western leaders have already fallen for this false one God, religion of peace nonsense. They make themselves blind to the reality and repeat, like parrots, this lying doctrine.The real goal of Islamists is worldwide Ummah ruled by Sharia with no exceptions.All will be conquered, all who refuse to convert will die. We will not be praying to the one and same God. We will all be forced to pray to the one Satan, Islam, religion of death!!!!Get real Bush, Brown stop appeasing the religion of murder. For the sake of the real God read the koran and then you will know the truth - staring you in the face!!!!
     
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    Congress should read the first Amendment or Bill of Right, as it orders: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. As the presiding one over Congress, a president should never bring religion into the converstion. The ones that founded religious freedom (our fore-fathers), knew those of Congress should never establish even the thought, or the freedoms of religion could be challenged.
     
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    I agree gradkiss.....Your country wisely gave freedom to all - including the freedom of religious belief.But I believe that a president, no matter how strong his/her religious belief is, should always keep his/her religious sentiments private.Presidents are elected on a political manifesto, not their religious convictions.Integrity is important - therefore secular politics should never give way to religious agendas once elected.
     
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    Just remember, the bible declares that God puts up governments and brings them down. All towards the goal of tthe end times and fulfilling prophecy. Yes we should vote, which is why it is important we pray about our decisions and our choices. It will be VERY interesting this coming election. Knowing we are at the end of times and we will be home soon is quite comforting. Hope to see you there.
     
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    One think I'd just like to clarify, is that the Muslim religion is NOT about killing, Don't care what the qoran says. Muslim is about peace, but you just have alot of people who practice it all wrong, and It warps our thinking about foregn contries and their religions.If Someone lives in Saudi Arabia, they can read a newspaper to find out "what's going on in America" today, and they would most likely see the kkk burning crosses and torturing people, and they'd say to themselves "Huh!? this is what Christians believe!"terrorism is to Muslim as kkk is to Christianity. The only difference is that the leaders of their kkk has to much influence on their society.The main X-factor though, is hate. The difference between all the muslims of the world Like Muhammad Ali that don't kill people, and terrorists, is hate. They'll just use their religion as the excuse. If I told you to go kill this person over here, that it's all for good, would you do it? Probably not, only If you hated the person with a passion. If I told you to go kill that spider over there, that it might bite and get you sick, would you do it? Probably, but that may be because you hate spiders. Acts like 9/11 are the results of hate, not religion.
     
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    One think I'd just like to clarify, is that the Muslim religion is NOT about killing, Don't care what the qoran says. Muslim is about peace, but you just have alot of people who practice it all wrong, and It warps our thinking about foregn contries and their religions.If Someone lives in Saudi Arabia, they can read a newspaper to find out "what's going on in America" today, and they would most likely see the kkk burning crosses and torturing people, and they'd say to themselves "Huh!? this is what Christians believe!"terrorism is to Muslim as kkk is to Christianity. The only difference is that the leaders of their kkk has to much influence on their society.The main X-factor though, is hate. The difference between all the muslims of the world Like Muhammad Ali that don't kill people, and terrorists, is hate. They'll just use their religion as the excuse. If I told you to go kill this person over here, that it's all for good, would you do it? Probably not, only If you hated the person with a passion. If I told you to go kill that spider over there, that it might bite and get you sick, would you do it? Probably, but that may be because you hate spiders. Acts like 9/11 are the results of hate, not religion.
    1. Islam is diffinately about demanding innocent blood and killing people. Muslims who wants peace don't stand up for what is right. They keep their mouth short so that the radicial get their sinful, lustful wish.2. As for the KKK (whatever that is) has no power over me.Luke 10:19 - Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.Jag
     
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    1. Islam is diffinately about demanding innocent blood and killing people. Muslims who wants peace don't stand up for what is right. They keep their mouth short so that the radicial get their sinful, lustful wish.2. As for the KKK (whatever that is) has no power over me.Luke 10:19 - Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.Jag
    KKK dosen't have any power over most of us, but I wasn't saying that. I was just saying that life over in a muslim contry is more complex and is different than what we over here actually see. We only see the bad, just one side of it. I know plenty of muslims, and I don't know anyone who wants to kill anyone. You have your small groups who want to use their beliefs for killing. Just like the kkk want's to use christianity for killing, not saying they have power.Here is a muslim who believes in peace speaking up.[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-A8xMhAG7M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-A8xMhAG7M[/url]Also, I just want to keep this conversation civilized and friendly, as I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic about not knowing who the kkk is.
     
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    Dragon, you must be aware that Allah, their pagan god demands innocent blood, and wants to kill us...Qu'ran 009:005 YASUFALI - But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005[/url]Qu'ran 005:051 YASUFALI - O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051[/url]A side note: The Islamic prophet (Muhammad) couldn't even read. How sad.P.S. No, Dragon, I'm not being sarcastic. I really don't know KKK, but I guess knowing won't hurt, but I can safely say it is not of God.
     
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    Dragon, you must be aware that Allah, their pagan god demands innocent blood, and wants to kill us...Qu'ran 009:005 YASUFALI - But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005[/url]Qu'ran 005:051 YASUFALI - O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051[/url]A side note: The Islamic prophet (Muhammad) couldn't even read. How sad.P.S. No, Dragon, I'm not being sarcastic. I really don't know KKK, but I guess knowing won't hurt, but I can safely say it is not of God.
    Well, I cannot safley speak for anything that the qu'ran says, but I did say eairlier that I didn't care about what the qu'ran says. From most muslims I speak to, they spend a great deal of time convincing me that the immage we have of their religion is twisted from what it really is. In Islam nowadays, you don't have to live and die by the qu'ran in order to be a muslim, I could be wrong. there could be metaphor problems or interpretation problem (and i really hate to speculate) but all I know is that the muslims that I know, and the friends of the frieds that are muslims, tell me that the war and fightng type of talk is just cattering to the ancient type of time frame, that it dosen't apply to us today, just like the war talk in the old testament could easily be taken the wrong way. And that the terrorists use the qu'ran to kill just like some crazy people in the USA try to use the Bible to kill. I just think that if Islam was really all about killing, then either all muslims would kill, or the ones that didn't believe in killing wouldn't be a muslim anymore. I don't think that I would see all these muslims remain muslims and not believe in killing. The terrorists that kill on the name of islam are wrong, Just like Muhammad Ali said. I'm not really using all my own words, I'm just using his.The kkk are the ku klux klan. They are a famously well known white supremesist group (or cult). They dress in all white with white hoods to conceal their identity, because many of them are lawyers, teachers, doctors ect. They preach that white people are superior to all other races, and that God wants only white people on earth. They have been known to torture black people and they have meetings in open feilds where they burn crosses. They claim that they do this in the name of God. They're terrorists. So you're right, they are not about God at all, and someone who didn't even know who they were already knew that they weren't people of God. AMEN.Unfortunately, when someone in Iraq want's to read what the media covers on Christianity, they read alot about the kkk. Just like over here, If we read about islam, we're going to read alot about terrorists.The thing is, is that my brother's friend is a muslim, I'm catholic, and we respect each other for it. I'm not going to tell him something about his religion that I don't know myself. If he tells me that Islam is not about killing and laughs at me for thinking that, then I guess I'll believe him and that the problem relies in something else.
     
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    Well, I cannot safley speak for anything that the qu'ran says, but I did say eairlier that I didn't care about what the qu'ran says. From most muslims I speak to, they spend a great deal of time convincing me that the immage we have of their religion is twisted from what it really is. In Islam nowadays, you don't have to live and die by the qu'ran in order to be a muslim, I could be wrong. there could be metaphor problems or interpretation problem (and i really hate to speculate) but all I know is that the muslims that I know, and the friends of the frieds that are muslims, tell me that the war and fightng type of talk is just cattering to the ancient type of time frame, that it dosen't apply to us today, just like the war talk in the old testament could easily be taken the wrong way. And that the terrorists use the qu'ran to kill just like some crazy people in the USA try to use the Bible to kill. I just think that if Islam was really all about killing, then either all muslims would kill, or the ones that didn't believe in killing wouldn't be a muslim anymore. I don't think that I would see all these muslims remain muslims and not believe in killing. The terrorists that kill on the name of islam are wrong, Just like Muhammad Ali said. I'm not really using all my own words, I'm just using his.The kkk are the ku klux klan. They are a famously well known white supremesist group (or cult). They dress in all white with white hoods to conceal their identity, because many of them are lawyers, teachers, doctors ect. They preach that white people are superior to all other races, and that God wants only white people on earth. They have been known to torture black people and they have meetings in open feilds where they burn crosses. They claim that they do this in the name of God. They're terrorists. So you're right, they are not about God at all, and someone who didn't even know who they were already knew that they weren't people of God. AMEN.Unfortunately, when someone in Iraq want's to read what the media covers on Christianity, they read alot about the kkk. Just like over here, If we read about islam, we're going to read alot about terrorists.The thing is, is that my brother's friend is a muslim, I'm catholic, and we respect each other for it. I'm not going to tell him something about his religion that I don't know myself. If he tells me that Islam is not about killing and laughs at me for thinking that, then I guess I'll believe him and that the problem relies in something else.
    I was correct the whole time. the KKK cult is not of God, but of the Devil. And white people are equal as black people and other races. They suit their own wicked desire. (Revelation 22:18-19)Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;Now regarding to Islam and the KKK...the below scriptures will do.Matthew 7:16-20 - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Jag
     
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