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By Rejecting the Forgiveness and Love of JESUS, One Chooses to Die In His Sins and Go To Hell = Mark

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    Miz KJV Only Member

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    By Rejecting the Forgiveness and Love of JESUS, One Chooses to Die In His Sins and Go To Hell = Mark 7;9, Romans 6;22-23
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    Mark 7;9
    And He said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

    Luke 7;30
    But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

    Luke 9;22
    Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

    John 3;16-20
    For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    John 12;48
    He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Acts 5;30-31
    The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Acts 26;18
    To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.

    Romans 6;22-23
    But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Hebrews 9;27-28
    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

    Revelations 20;10-15
    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


    AMEN
     
  2. Robert Gwin

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    Obedience is and has always been the key to life. Sin is actually disobedience of God's laws, and results in death. It was true in the beginning when death was not a factor, and it will be a requirement when the Kingdom comes. Salvation is dependent upon doing God's will Mat 7:21. A prime example to consider is the salvation of Noah, why was he saved? He did all that God commanded him to do, just so. Gen 6:22
     
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    And Jesus made it clear what teh will of god is to be saved forever- believe on teh Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Every good works proceeds from that salvation being secured forever.
     
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    Yes sir Ron, that is His will and desire 2 Pet 3:9, as well as the desire of His witnesses. Your statement would indicate that most people in the world will be saved, and I certainly hope you are correct, but Jesus brother James doesn't agree, Jesus actually stated quite the opposite, that is why it is imperitive to take the Bible as a whole, because the Bible does say what you stated, bot other verses expound and further clarify the meaning of that verse.

    As a possible eye opener, do you believe that those Jesus was speaking to at Mat 7:21-23 believed in and on Jesus Ron? I do! But they were far from saved, did you pick up on why?
     
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    Well my statement does not indicate what you say. It is a simple statement of what God HImself required to be saved foreever! But the word faith (pistis) is not what modern man uses believe to mean in todays world.

    In Matt. they may have believed of Him, but did not have the faith that causes one to believe in HIm. those two little words, on and in, make all the eternal diffewrence.

    for if they knew Him Jesus would never had said, I NEVER KNEW YOU> They were never saved.
     
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    Belief is faith Ron, in fact their faith was so great they were able to do great things in Jesus' name, obviously more than most of us here combined. Jesus clearly stated what was missing, they were not doing Jehovah's will, true they were working hard, and applying those things to their faith, but in reality were serving God in the way they chose to, rather that the way He required. Does that make any sense?
     
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    No, by the simple fact that Jesus said that He NEVER knew them. The power is not in the faith of a person, but in the name of jesus! They may have been religious, but were never saved.
     
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    I agree they were not saved, and I state that there is none saved among the living now. That may sound strange to you, but the term saved is basically the same as salvation, and none of us get that until we receive the gift that God gives, eternal life. We do believe the first resurrection has taken place so all of those resurrected anointed ones are actually saved now, but no live being on earth is saved at this point. True, they can be in line for salvation right now, but must endure till death in order to actually receive salvation Mat 24:13. A prime example would of course be Judas, heck he was one of Jesus' apostles, would everyone including himself believe he was saved? Yes! But that good standing with God was gone soon, we must remain faithful until death.

    The reason they were rejected, and that Jesus did not know them was because for all their work they did in his name, they did it their way, and chose not to do it Jehovah's way as Jesus told them in the verse. He clearly stated those who "enter into the Kingdom of the heavens" will be "the one doing the will of my Father". Obviously since they did many powerful works in Jesus name yet not chosen, they refused to do the will of Jehovah.
     
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    But the difference is you believe you have to wait to get that life, when the bible teaches that as soon as one places their trust in Jesus they have eternal life from that nanosecond till forever!
     
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    You forgot to list the will of God that God requires for Salvation.

    Its this..

    "The will/work of God is that you BELIEVE on the ONE whom God sent'.

    See that "will" and "work"?

    Its this. = "'BELIEVE"., as "faith is counted as righteousness". "without works".
     
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    The truth is Ron, there have been Christians since the first century, some even resurrected from death, yet none are still here. Everlasting life began for the anointed Christians when the first resurrection happened, we did not observe that as they were resurrected to heaven, the Bible points to the rest of the dead coming to life at the end of the thousand years Rev 20:5, that is referring to the Millennial reign of Christ. Satan will be released and those who remain faithful will gain life.

    Not one human at this time has everlasting life, at this time. When the anointed that remains dies, they will instantly be rewarded everlasting life and join Jesus in heaven, and the rest of us will have to wait until sometime after Jesus' return for our resurrection, but we will still be subject to the lake of fire until the last enemy is cast into it Rev 20:14
     
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    I have everlasting, or eternal life, right now.
    Ive had it for years and years.
    In fact, all the born again, those born again today and those born again on the day Jesus walked out of the Tomb, have eternal life.
    Why?
    Because Eternal life is not a period of time.
    Eternal Life is Jesus who is "the resurrection and THE LIFE".
    Or as He said.... I am The Truth, The Way, and THE Life.".

    So, all the born again have eternal life, because all the Born again have JESUS IN THEM, who is eternal life and "the resurrection".

    "Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory".

    Think of it like this....
    All the the born again are "ONE with God"........so, it would be impossible to be "ONE with God" and "seated in heavenly places IN CHRIST"....right now, and not have eternal life..

    If you dont have it, then its because you are not born again.
    Jesus said "you must be born again"...
    And water can't do that for you.
     
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    1 John 5:13
    These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    1 John 5:11
    And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    John 3:15
    That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    John 6:54
    Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day

    John 10:28
    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    all these are in teh present not future tense. The bible says you are lying!
     
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    Long list sir, yes what you stated is a requirement. All who will gain salvation will believe Jesus is the one whom God sent.

    Your statement "without works" is quite in error, in fact, faith without works is dead Behold.
     
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    No sir your interpretation. The fact is that all those people are dead, with the exception of the Anointed which have been resurrected. Everlasting life for most of us is still yet future.
     
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    Be careful with that, as the verse says that faith is dead, but it does not say that salvation is dead.
    See the difference?

    And because FAITH is not the savior, Faith, if dead, is just faith.
    This does not effect the new birth.

    Notice also that James says....>"i'll show you my WORKs'......
    Here is the key.......He is showing the believers his works, not God.
    "Il show YOU.......my works"..
    So, this is representing living faith that is bearing evidence, BEFORE PEOPLE.....

    "i'll show YOU, my works"..... not God.
     
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    And their spirits and souls are in heaven, while their bodies are in the ground! As Paul worte.

    And you are wrong sir.
    those are written in th epresent tense, which means they all have eternal life NOW! Just as I do!
     
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    Are you serious sir? I guess we have a different understanding of what faith is, may I ask you to define it?
     
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    Nope, Bible does not teach that sir.
     
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    Well may the new world mistranslation of the bible doesn't teach it, but Gods Word most certainly does! all you need do is get a greek parsing guide and find out for yourself!
     
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