- Jan 2, 2014
- United States
No need to write a Novel, keep it shortThis came from Paul, go read it. 1 Cor. 15, 2 Thess. 2:3 is the Departure of the Church also. So, do you really mean there is no Church Age or did that slip in there by mistake, because that is a non defensible POV. We are in the Church Age, the 7 Feasts tell of a coming Church Age, but when I explain it you guys refuse to answer the points, WHY? Isaiah says God will call a people he did not know. Paul says when the "Time of the Gentiles" comes full, only then will Israel's blindness be lifted. All one has to do is read Romans chapters 9-11 and it is evident Paul is speaking about God taking the Mantle away from Israel and giving it to the Gentiles, then he says when THIS TIME (Time of the Gentiles comes full), only then will Israel be grafted back in and repent.
The Time of the Gentiles has zero to do with the Anti-Christ conquering Jerusalem, that is wrong think, it is about God CHOOSING the YOUNGER over the ELEDER, that is why Paul mentions Jacob being chosen over Esau in chapter 9, why he references the Potter being the master of the vessels he creates etc. The Time of the Gentiles is about the Church Age Gospel being taken unto the whole world . Here is where you get off-tracked brother, you do not understand that if Israel had repented Jesus would have saved them from Rome in 70 AD and ushered in the Kingdom Age, but they did not, so God turned to the Gentiles to take the Gospel unto the whole world instead and put off the 70th week. Thus when the "Time of the Gentiles" is fulfilled, the 70th week then comes, or THE END as Jesus called it. This refers to the Church Age Gentiles. So, why would Jesus ever preach on a coming Rapture when the Gentiles were never supposed to take Israel's place as taking the Gospel unto the whole world? This is why Jesus said he came only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, just like the Two-witnesses come ONLY to get Israel to repent in Revelation 11:1-3 via the Measuring of the Temple, Altar and ONLY THOSE that worship therein. So, you are looking for something that is only hinted at until Paul was given the chore of taking the Gospel unto the Gentiles. It has to be dug out of the bible, one also has to understand how the TIMING TELLS mandate a Pre Trib Rapture. It is not my fault some people can not see it brother, it is their fault. These are brain locks via tunnel vision. Satan lied to Peter, he never stops lying brother. We see the Pre Trib Raptured Church in heaven Rev. 4, 5 and 7 BEFORE the Seals are ever opened and in Rev. 19 before the even get married unto the Lamb and with Jesus as he returns to Armageddon. And no, no one goes to Heaven before the Pre Trib Rapture, Paul says this in 1 Cor. 15:42-52 and Daniel is told this in Dan. 12:1-2. So, they can only be the Pre Trib Raptured Saints.
The John Darby stuff tbh is funny and annoying also. It reminds me of modern day libs trying to use red herrings to win arguments they are in error on. We can prove that is wrong via other early writings AND via Paul's writings. Its a non sequitur with me tbh. Now if I explain the 7 Feast's will you avoid it? Why not answer these things and learn, instead of dodging them, I have posted it on here multiple tines and all I get are dodges. These things have to be dug out, Jesus never came unto the Gentiles, so we can only get glimpses of the Church Age and Rapture via Prophecy TIMING TELLS in the Old Testament, and via Jesus, Paul explained these things in Letters to his flocks, sadly we only get half of these correspondence letters, not the flocks questions, and Paul had told his flock things thus at times he only gives hints like you remember what I told you, and does not go into details, that is why I say his letters are not like a Prophets "Thus Saith the Lord" writings. 2 Thess. 2 is the Rapture or DEPARTURE of the Church, not a falling away (DEPARTURE) from the Faith which is NEVER MENTIONED one time in the whole chapter, but a Gathering unto Jesus is mentioned, so the only DEPARTURE being spoken about in the chapter is the Church DEPARTING its standing on this earth. Its not even debatable if one simply reads the passage.
As I explained in my other post just above, this is just not the case. And there are 10-12 signs, not 7. Rev. 6 has nothing to do with Matt. 24:1-14, as a matter of fact Rev. 6 is just Jesus Prophesying anyway, the actual events start in Rev. 8. There are 7 Judgment Trumps, not 21. The Seals DO NOTHING, they are Jesus Prophesying as he opened a Sealed Scroll. The 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe which come from the 7th Trump, so ALL JUDGMENTS come forth from 7 Trumps. Jesus' return is not really a sign of his coming, he is just coming. Would you spot me on the corner of Times Square in NYC and says Ron is coming to New York, I saw him, that a sign? No, I would just be in New York. I understand some say there is a sign of him in the air, but I think its wrong think, the 10-12 signs are giving us a clue to when all of these things will happen, Jesus returning is him coming, nit a sign, IMHO. I understand the TIMING TELLS in Matt. 24.