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Calvinism is a Cult

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by CoreIssue, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    With all the Calvinists and quasi-Calvinists posting I think this thread is necessary.

    I agree with the widely held belief Calvinism is a cult.

    The God of Calvinism does not resemble the God of the Bible.

    The salvation of Calvinism is not biblical. God does not create/appoint some salvation and some to damnation with a total rejection of free will.

    That is a short and sweet of it. But these two aspects of Christianity are enough to judge it by.
     
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  2. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    If surrendering all sovereignty, and all my will, and all glory to the lord Jesus Christ is Calvinism then I’m a member of that Cult
     
  3. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, one could certainly call it it that, since rarely will a Calvinist admit that he/she is in error. And it is purely through brainwashing that people (saved individuals) arrive at these unbiblical doctrines.

    GALATIANS 1
    6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    If that was all there is to it. But distorting the sovereignty of God and the Gospel is a very serious matter.
     
  6. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    I’m not the authority and neither are you
     
  7. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Active Member

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    "CoreIssue,
    [I agree with the widely held belief Calvinism is a cult.]

    Widely held belief? What are you talking about?

    [The God of Calvinism does not resemble the God of the Bible]

    You feel that way because of your lack of understanding of the Biblical God


    The salvation of Calvinism is not biblical.
    Millions of saints who will be in heaven believe those truths were the gospel.

    [God does not create/appoint some salvation and some to damnation with a total rejection of free will.]

    You cannot back up anything you are posting. FREE WILL is not in the bible. If you want that you must go to carnal philosophy to find it.
     
  8. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Active Member

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    And yet you two cannot prove anything at any time.
    Every time you take on a Calvinist you get dusted, why is that?
     
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  9. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Active Member

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    Let's get to it. You both claim it is a cult, so lets examine the teaching from a Historic confession. For two experts on the topic, you should have no trouble offering your enlightening thoughts on how to correct this Document. Go for it and dazzle us with your keen understandings.

    Chapter 3: Of God's Decree
    1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree.
    ( Isaiah 46:10; Ephesians 1:11; Hebrews 6:17; Romans 9:15, 18; James 1:13; 1 John 1:5; Acts 4:27, 28; John 19:11; Numbers 23:19; Ephesians 1:3-5 )
    2._____ Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions, yet hath he not decreed anything, because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.
    ( Acts 15:18; Romans 9:11, 13, 16, 18 )

    3._____ By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice.
    ( 1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34; Ephesians 1:5, 6; Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4 )

    4.______These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.
    ( 2 Timothy 2:19; John 13:18 )

    5._____ Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto.
    ( Ephesians 1:4, 9, 11; Romans 8:30; 2 Timothy 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Romans 9:13, 16; Ephesians 2:5, 12 )

    6._____ As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so he hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ, by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power through faith unto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.
    ( 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 10; Romans 8:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:5; John 10:26; John 17:9; John 6:64 )

    7._____ The doctrine of the high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care, that men attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election; so shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God, and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel.
    ( 1 Thessalonians 1:4, 5; 2 Peter 1:10; Ephesians 1:6; Romans 11:33; Romans 11:5, 6, 20; Luke 10:20 )
     
  10. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Active Member

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    This ignorant statement was made in this thread;
    The God of Calvinism does not resemble the God of the Bible.

    Here is the God of Calvinism..again show us how in your mind it is not describing the biblical God.

    Chapter 2: Of God and of the Holy Trinity
    1._____The Lord our God is but one only living and true God; whose subsistence is in and of himself, infinite in being and perfection; whose essence cannot be comprehended by any but himself; a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; who is immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, every way infinite, most holy, most wise, most free, most absolute; working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will for his own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him, and withal most just and terrible in his judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty.
    ( 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6; Deuteronomy 6:4; Jeremiah 10:10; Isaiah 48:12; Exodus 3:14; John 4:24; 1 Timothy 1:17; Deuteronomy 4:15, 16; Malachi 3:6; 1 Kings 8:27; Jeremiah 23:23; Psalms 90:2; Genesis 17:1; Isaiah 6:3; Psalms 115:3; Isaiah 46:10; Proverbs 16:4; Romans 11:36; Exodus 34:6, 7; Hebrews 11:6; Nehemiah 9:32, 33; Psalms 5:5, 6; Exodus 34:7; Nahum 1:2, 3 )
    2._____God, having all life, glory, goodness, blessedness, in and of himself, is alone in and unto himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creature which he hath made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting his own glory in, by, unto, and upon them; he is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things, and he hath most sovereign dominion over all creatures, to do by them, for them, or upon them, whatsoever himself pleaseth; in his sight all things are open and manifest, his knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature, so as nothing is to him contingent or uncertain; he is most holy in all his counsels, in all his works, and in all his commands; to him is due from angels and men, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience, as creatures they owe unto the Creator, and whatever he is further pleased to require of them.
    ( John 5:26; Psalms 148:13; Psalms 119:68; Job 22:2, 3; Romans 11:34-36; Daniel 4:25, 34, 35; Hebrews 4:13; Ezekiel 11:5; Acts 15:18; Psalms 145:17; Revelation 5:12-14 )

    3._____ In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit, of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided: the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son; all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on him.
    ( 1 John 5:7; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Exodus 3:14; John 14:11; 1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:14,18; John 15:26; Galatians 4:6 )
     
  11. Waiting on him

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    It’s because Gods word is sharper than a two edged sword, removing the flesh from the soul
     
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  12. Anthony D'Arienzo

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    Yes indeed...these two foam at the mouth like those who opposed Stephen in Acts 7. Stephen lays out teaching from redemptive History and they were filled with rage against God.

    54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

    57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

    58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him:
     
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    Almost verbatim how they treated my Lord!
     
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    That's hilarious.

    As a matter of fact if you check my posts, I have given Scripture after Scripture, which has either been ignored or turned on its head by the Calvinists. If you want, I can take one of your posts and show you why you are seriously in error, but that will not cause you to abandon your false Gospel. But let me know if you wish to have one of your posts dissected.
     
  15. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Active Member

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    Sure big guy, on this thread try post...9 and 10
    I cannot wait to see your insights:oops::(

    Now will Enoch111 go line by line and show how the posted teaching is wrong, or will he enter into the witness protection program?
     
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    Amen.

    The very title of the thread seems to say: I want to throw mud: join me, everyone, at throwing mud.
     
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    Still like to know what calvinism has to do with mens salvation, or God for that fact. Just more drivvle and pointless arguments. that go no where.
     
  19. Anthony D'Arienzo

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    Calvinism is a system of teaching that touches on all manner of bible teaching. Every aspect of mens salvation is addressed by the teaching that goes by that name.
     
  20. Anthony D'Arienzo

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    When you cannot present a biblically consistent position all that is remaining is to call names.
    Neither one of these two will attempt to correct the teaching of the confession of faith because it will reveal the depth of their ignorance.
     
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