Can anyone tell me about the concepts or sacrificing in Christianity?

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I was just wonder ping if Christian’s ever are aware of the concept of ritualistic sacrificing, and what their personal thoughts on it are. I know that in the bible Jesus was considered the “sacrificial lamb” and likewise it is customary and normal in Islam and Judaism and part of the significance of the Passover celebration in Judaism. I believe I read somewhere that Jesus was supposed to be the “last sacrificial lamb” that “took the sin of the world away” is that true? I swear I read that somewhere but I cannot find it again. I also thought that Christianity is against the general notion of ritualistic sacrifice, but yet even though it is practiced in Islam and Judaism isn’t that hypocritical because at the same sacrificing can also be a product of false idol worship like in Canaan with Moloch?
 

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I was just wonder ping if Christian’s ever are aware of the concept of ritualistic sacrificing, and what their personal thoughts on it are. I know that in the bible Jesus was considered the “sacrificial lamb” and likewise it is customary and normal in Islam and Judaism and part of the significance of the Passover celebration in Judaism. I believe I read somewhere that Jesus was supposed to be the “last sacrificial lamb” that “took the sin of the world away” is that true? I swear I read that somewhere but I cannot find it again. I also thought that Christianity is against the general notion of ritualistic sacrifice, but yet even though it is practiced in Islam and Judaism isn’t that hypocritical because at the same sacrificing can also be a product of false idol worship like in Canaan with Moloch?
The innocent for the guilty is the scriptural narrative on the matter of sacrifice. The sacrifice of animals was intended to be a type ie, a symbol of that principle.

Heathen beliefs are of a different nature altogether. Theirs is primarily the idea that the deity or deities love blood.....the more blood the better. Animal sacrifice is one thing but the ante is upped with human sacrifice in the pagan mindset. This, in some circles is projected onto God the Creator implying or stating specifically that God loves blood or the spilling of it. It is in effect an attempt to misrepresent God......it is Satan projecting his own inclinations onto God.

Regarding your question about the 'last sacrificial lamb'. Once the antitype (the reality...Jesus) met the type (the figure...the lamb slain) the type no longer applied. The intentions of God's promise in the Old Testament (the innocent for the guilty) were fulfilled (met)

Any continuation of this not only misunderstands God's intent but underpins the ignorance of paganism.
 

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I was just wonder ping if Christian’s ever are aware of the concept of ritualistic sacrificing, and what their personal thoughts on it are. I know that in the bible Jesus was considered the “sacrificial lamb” and likewise it is customary and normal in Islam and Judaism and part of the significance of the Passover celebration in Judaism. I believe I read somewhere that Jesus was supposed to be the “last sacrificial lamb” that “took the sin of the world away” is that true? I swear I read that somewhere but I cannot find it again. I also thought that Christianity is against the general notion of ritualistic sacrifice, but yet even though it is practiced in Islam and Judaism isn’t that hypocritical because at the same sacrificing can also be a product of false idol worship like in Canaan with Moloch?


Perhaps these verses are what you are looking for? Also, Jesus Christ was sinless, and thus He could pay the price for our sins, and give us His righteousness (imputed righteousness).

"he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him." Hebrews 9:26-28.

You might also find this article helpful.
How was Jesus’ sacrifice better than the Levitical sacrifices? | GotQuestions.org
 

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Animal sacrifice is but one sacrifice, but there are many. When you delve into the practices specified in scripture, there is spiritual meaning. Even some practices that were not scriptural had spiritual meaning. Such as the crimson wool tied to the scapegoat.

As for today Christians are to worship God by sacrificing ourselves. We are called to live by the Spirit and not the flesh. Romans 12:1.
 

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I was just wonder ping if Christian’s ever are aware of the concept of ritualistic sacrificing, and what their personal thoughts on it are. I know that in the bible Jesus was considered the “sacrificial lamb” and likewise it is customary and normal in Islam and Judaism and part of the significance of the Passover celebration in Judaism. I believe I read somewhere that Jesus was supposed to be the “last sacrificial lamb” that “took the sin of the world away” is that true? I swear I read that somewhere but I cannot find it again. I also thought that Christianity is against the general notion of ritualistic sacrifice, but yet even though it is practiced in Islam and Judaism isn’t that hypocritical because at the same sacrificing can also be a product of false idol worship like in Canaan with Moloch?

"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:18

"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." John 10:17-18
 

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The innocent for the guilty is the scriptural narrative on the matter of sacrifice. The sacrifice of animals was intended to be a type ie, a symbol of that principle.

Heathen beliefs are of a different nature altogether. Theirs is primarily the idea that the deity or deities love blood.....the more blood the better. Animal sacrifice is one thing but the ante is upped with human sacrifice in the pagan mindset. This, in some circles is projected onto God the Creator implying or stating specifically that God loves blood or the spilling of it. It is in effect an attempt to misrepresent God......it is Satan projecting his own inclinations onto God.

Regarding your question about the 'last sacrificial lamb'. Once the antitype (the reality...Jesus) met the type (the figure...the lamb slain) the type no longer applied. The intentions of God's promise in the Old Testament (the innocent for the guilty) were fulfilled (met)

Any continuation of this not only misunderstands God's intent but underpins the ignorance of paganism.
Well yes that’s what I think it is somewhat “the innocent for the guilty,


I find the notion of ritualistic sacrifice quite interesting as it has existed in many ancient societies and I would wager still largely does. I believe often it must exist as some form of social and societal control that exists to fulfill some type of social mechanism. It is I think often an attempt to weed out certain characteristics, traits and tendencies. I found it quite explanatory in relation to some observations I have had socially, as I think often times it is something that is almost instinctive and a long standing tradition perhaps that has survived since antiquity to perform methods of sacrificial murder. I have noticed that a large majority of people do not really make logical sense in a conventional manner and I have tried to desperately understand what type of logical belief system that must of these people adhere to then and oftentimes and as a result I have concluded that it is often the explanation for disingenuous behaviour and also an explanation for greed and selfishness that also runs rampant in most societies. What is the nature of gossip, lying, disingenuous behaviour? It is like some strange game that people are often playing and it acts to almost weed out certain types of individuals, or it is just trying to somehow ostracize individuals as well, in hopes that they for example commit suicide for example, or are met with some type of dire fate from these behaviours. I guess it goes along with sinning quite as well, it is the result of abc main reasoning and objective for such behaviours.

I guess in a sense they want to weed out people not as prone to sinning, but also it is often due to jealousy, envy of others, fear that such activities will be halted, the desire to lower competition and things like that.

I remember as a child being with a group of kids and we were at this sand dune with many cliffs and rocks, we would take turns jumping over the rocks and I think back now and the whole point was that hopefully someone would fall, and hurt themselves and likewise this one kid just randomly jumped on me and attacked me, I think because I was not a sinner and I was put trying to take part in I do t know, greed, envy and murder secretly, I did not understand my intentions were always genuine.

Likewise it is comparable to the pagan traditions of jumping over lit fires, I think the whole point is almost that eventually someone might fall into the fire or it is what this tradition stands to symbolize, if you keep jumping someone will fall into the fire.
 
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Here in Northern New Mexico, some Catholics participate in the yearly "Good Friday Penitence" where MANY walk about 45 miles round trip from Santa Fe along the 285 Highway (65mph) to the Chimayo Church, some "lashing" themselves with something like a bundle of foot-long whips like we see in some of the video's of Muslims in Iran. -- And fortunately, over the years, we've hear fewer and fewer instances where these "pilgrims" have been struck and killed by inattentive motorists.

But as a dear co-worker explained on her way back to Santa Fe, (some 55 miles round trip to her house), she stopped in at one of the MANY casinos on the way back.


We All make choices! o_O
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I have noticed that a large majority of people do not really make logical sense in a conventional manner and I have tried to desperately understand what type of logical belief system that must of these people adhere to then and oftentimes and as a result I have concluded that it is often the explanation for disingenuous behaviour and also an explanation for greed and selfishness that also runs rampant in most societies.
Hi Kaneda. May I recommend a book to you. It is called "The Battle For Truth" by David A. Noebel. It's subtitle is "Defending the Christian Worldview in the Market Place of Ideas".

Providing a chart with each chapter this book systematically compares the theology, philosophy, ethics, biology, psychology, sociology, law, politics, economics, and history of 4 worldviews, namely Secular Humanist, Marxist/Leninist, Cosmic Humanist, and Biblical Christianity.

The Biblical Worldview
is:
  1. Theology: Theism
  2. Philosophy: Supernaturalism
  3. Ethics: Absolutes
  4. Biology: Creation
  5. Psychology: Mind/Body
  6. Sociology: Traditional Home, Ekklesia, State.
  7. Law: Biblical & Natural Law
  8. Politics: Justice, Freedom, Order.
  9. Economics: Stewardship of property
  10. History: Historical Resurrection.
I hope you find this helpful. The good news of Christ's sacrifice is that it was acceptable to God the Father in Heaven who raised Him from the dead and has seated Him at His right hand.

Act 2:29-33 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. (30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; (31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. (32) This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. (33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.
 
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Hi Kaneda. May I recommend a book to you. It is called "The Battle For Truth" by David A. Noebel. It's subtitle is "Defending the Christian Worldview in the Market Place of Ideas".

Providing a chart with each chapter this book systematically compares the theology, philosophy, ethics, biology, psychology, sociology, law, politics, economics, and history of 4 worldviews, namely Secular Humanist, Marxist/Leninist, Cosmic Humanist, and Biblical Christianity.

The Biblical Worldview
is:
  1. Theology: Theism
  2. Philosophy: Supernaturalism
  3. Ethics: Absolutes
  4. Biology: Creation
  5. Psychology: Mind/Body
  6. Sociology: Traditional Home, Ekklesia, State.
  7. Law: Biblical & Natural Law
  8. Politics: Justice, Freedom, Order.
  9. Economics: Stewardship of property
  10. History: Historical Resurrection.
I hope you find this helpful. The good news of Christ's sacrifice is that it was acceptable to God the Father in Heaven who raised Him from the dead and has seated Him at His right hand.

Act 2:29-33 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. (30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; (31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. (32) This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. (33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.
Would this book be mostly around beating Christianity from different topic viewpoints though? I have read into various different topics and I think I have somewhat reached many conclusion so in my own by comparing all the different ideas together. I have struggled with atheism for various different reasons, but I understand the works quite well I think at this point in time. We could easily co-operate and share a larger assortment of our resources but instead we choose endless toil, disconnection, alienation, strife and suffering to be our most prevalent experiences, and I am the odd one out as I do not enjoy it at all. But of course this would be made out to somehow be my own fault or shortcoming in some way. I then conclude that perhaps most people are not too different from practically being automations then.

Obviously then it is incapable for most the majority to really possess their freedom, and as a result must be continually ruled over in some oppressive and tiresome manner. I see more socialist and left leaning countries and I think it must be the main contribution for what I have experienced as very awful and obnoxious behaviour, as they simply must cause pain and unpleasantness on some unsuspecting individual or group. In many societies there are usually “haves” and “have nots” there is almost no way beyond this, no solution. It seems like as a whole we cannot have life be too easy otherwise behaviour seems to only grow worse as a result of ease, comfort, and convenience. It seems we must toil and slave away at something, likewise it seems like most people cannot be held accountable it seems for their actions at all, and thus again, you must mitigate bad curtail freedoms. In this sense the vast majority of people remind me of cows, and cattle in general and I just resent them. There is little to nothing I can really connect or bond with others over except for money, and materialism. But it does not really fulfill me, interacting over superfluous labels status symbols, arbitrary labels, or petty materialism.

But I just wonder if it is my brain, surely I have experienced extreme forms of collectivism wherein people seem to have almost “antennas” and are very group/hive minded. I am not wired in this way, but still I wonder what type of “connection” my brain might be wired for instead? I find this since that I cannot connect with most people, as I do not seem to enjoy or exist to constantly battle over different “levels” on a totem pole, love is withheld from you and nothing is ever good enough. Connection is not genuine, or the result of self actualization, happiness again is just bizarre abstract concept that seems to exist merely as a form of thought control more then anything. Anything that has to do with real personal freedom, choice and self actualization is moved away from and completely ignored. Almost everything in society simply exists to create disconnection from others, and as a result it seems nothing is real either.

The only alternative or comfort you are given is that basically “oh yeah life is horrible but if you believe in God you’ll go to a better place when you die!” How is this world not hell then? I have e thought about moving to japan as an example though, just because they do not practice mandatory smiling all the time, Western society is obsessed with smiling and “happiness” you might as well not talk and just smile all the time and as well just act extremely animated, loud and arrogant. It just moves more bad more in a direction that is completely and unnatural to me.
 
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Would this book be mostly around beating Christianity from different topic viewpoints though?
The book systematically defends the Christian worldview against the others. There is no neutral ground. Christianity is grounded in Divine Revelation which the others reject in favour of flawed and fallible human ideology.

One obvious example of flawed ideology is that of the Relativist who believes there is no such thing as right and wrong, and then claims they are right about that.

The Bible guides us in our relationships with each other, with our environment, and with God. The idea that man alone is the highest authority is a recipe for disaster as the Bible repeatedly warns.
 

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The book systematically defends the Christian worldview against the others. There is no neutral ground. Christianity is grounded in Divine Revelation which the others reject in favour of flawed and fallible human ideology.

One obvious example of flawed ideology is that of the Relativist who believes there is no such thing as right and wrong, and then claims they are right about that.

The Bible guides us in our relationships with each other, with our environment, and with God. The idea that man alone is the highest authority is a recipe for disaster as the Bible repeatedly warns.
But you would still have to rely on human interpretation of the bible which could easily be “flawed” as a result in it’s own right. I mean if you look at the history of Europe, the state was not separate from the church and you could say such a thing has already existed in the world and you could say it has generally been deemed as ineffectual by today’s standards. I mean if you did or said something the church thought was wrong they would burn you alive. Remember superstitiously believing some people were witches? But obviously not everyone is going to go back to farming. Obviously the real creative and intelligent people could come up with or create jobs but I dunno, I guess it all just seems insane to me I just don’t see the point really.
 
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I wonder though how a society would function if it wasn’t so capitalist, I mean would people practically go back to farming if they were not forced to be wage slavers? There’s this channel on home renovation and construction. What if like in the feudal period they stopped charging people rent as often? Then there would be no real estate market, and then would there even be as much construction work? It seems like a lot of construction these days is just for the sake of the real estate market, it see there has to be scarcity have and have nots for such things to exist.


That’s one reason I like Japan because you can tell then that they would like or could handle moving back to a society like that, I would not say the Japanese are indigenous people but it is what they remind me of at times. Imagine living in a society where the exploitation of one group does not exist? It is basically endemic to our society, people are basically just slowly killing or making other people sick, unwell and unhealthy all the time.

When they started charging us rent, we had to go work in factories to pay for ourselves.
 
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But you would still have to rely on human interpretation of the bible which could easily be “flawed” as a result in it’s own right.
Anything false eventually gets exposed. Biblical principles themselves are infallible so the fault is not with them. Only one man has ever been or ever will be absolutely free of imperfections, namely Jesus Christ, which is why putting faith in Him and trusting God in all things is a guarantee of beneficial outcomes in the future.

Rom 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

As interesting as secular humanistic anthropology, sociology, psychology, and philosophy etc; can be, they remain incapable of redeeming mankind and delivering humanity from its natural wickedness.
 

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Anything false eventually gets exposed. Biblical principles themselves are infallible so the fault is not with them. Only one man has ever been or ever will be absolutely free of imperfections, namely Jesus Christ, which is why putting faith in Him and trusting God in all things is a guarantee of beneficial outcomes in the future.

Rom 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

As interesting as secular humanistic anthropology, sociology, psychology, and philosophy etc; can be, they remain incapable of redeeming mankind and delivering humanity from its natural wickedness.
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Anything false eventually gets exposed. Biblical principles themselves are infallible so the fault is not with them. Only one man has ever been or ever will be absolutely free of imperfections, namely Jesus Christ, which is why putting faith in Him and trusting God in all things is a guarantee of beneficial outcomes in the future.

Rom 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

As interesting as secular humanistic anthropology, sociology, psychology, and philosophy etc; can be, they remain incapable of redeeming mankind and delivering humanity from its natural wickedness.
It just seems largely like another potential system of oppression that already has a historical track record that exists. What about burning people at the stake for supposedly being witches? I wish there was some way to discern whether people’s intentions were more true, because it can be so disconnecting at times, but it is the reason why I do not really think it is the solution because not only has it been done in the past, does taking away everyone’s freedom necessarily solve anything? Not only do you have to take away all freedom but does it really hangs their innate true selves? Couldn’t it be said that some people are just innately not good?

I mean I guess I just shouldn’t care but I don’t know, why does it bother me to live in a society where not only is everything up for some level of manipulation or exploitation, what is there to live for? I don’t know if most people notice but literally everything is artificial. It is like slavery in Egypt, you are not allowed any individual preferences, they shave your head bad you are just a number.

Practically everything is taken away from us and then what were left with is basically is just sensual pleasure at least and then that is taken away and we cannot enjoy that either, what is there to live for that we can enjoy? Worshipping God? Maybe I guess, but I have doubts on that at times as well as to what that really means unfortunately I feel that is contrived at times as well or it is under oppressive religious weight, and then it just seems like this crazy fatalistic and disconnecting thing, like we are worshipping a vacuum or void, we are worshipping the absences of very meaning. People have to take drugs just to feel or function.

God proceeds everything, but literally everything including who we are, our sense of selves emotions and experiences. Like can you stick someone in a white padded cell and then just tell that person to believe in God?
 
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It just seems largely like another potential system of oppression that already has a historical track record that exists. What about burning people at the stake for supposedly being witches? I wish there was some way to discern whether people’s intentions were more true, because it can be so disconnecting at times, but it is the reason why I do not really think it is the solution because not only has it been done in the past, does taking away everyone’s freedom necessarily solve anything? Not only do you have to take away all freedom but does it really hangs their innate true selves? Couldn’t it be said that some people are just innately not good?

I mean I guess I just shouldn’t care but I don’t know, why does it bother me to live in a society where not only is everything up for some level of manipulation or exploitation, what is there to live for? I don’t know if most people notice but literally everything is artificial. It is like slavery in Egypt, you are not allowed any individual preferences, they shave your head bad you are just a number.

Practically everything is taken away from us and then what were left with is basically is just sensual pleasure at least and then that is taken away and we cannot enjoy that either, what is there to live for that we can enjoy? Worshipping God? Maybe I guess, but I have doubts on that at times as well as to what that really means unfortunately I feel that is contrived at times as well or it is under oppressive religious weight, and then it just seems like this crazy fatalistic and disconnecting thing, like we are worshipping a vacuum or void, we are worshipping the absences of very meaning. People have to take drugs just to feel or function.

God proceeds everything, but literally everything including who we are, our sense of selves emotions and experiences. Like can you stick someone in a white padded cell and then just tell that person to believe in God?
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Christ suffered and died at the hands of religious fanatics.