Can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

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Gottservant

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Hi there!

Just a simple thought for you: can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

My reasoning is simple, God did not create Creation, just to destroy it (but to transition it, from unbelief to faith); therefore, there will be times when Creation experiences Tribulation and times when it does not.

If God is able to allow for Tribulation, then His Spirit must also work, to deliver us from it.

God does not need to do this early or as it happens or late, He can do all of that!

The stone of Tribulation (metaphorically speaking), must be thrown down, as any other stone of the Temple (as Jesus said "not one stone shall be left that shall not be thrown down" gospels from memory).
 

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Hi there!

Just a simple thought for you: can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

My reasoning is simple, God did not create Creation, just to destroy it (but to transition it, from unbelief to faith); therefore, there will be times when Creation experiences Tribulation and times when it does not.

If God is able to allow for Tribulation, then His Spirit must also work, to deliver us from it.

God does not need to do this early or as it happens or late, He can do all of that!

The stone of Tribulation (metaphorically speaking), must be thrown down, as any other stone of the Temple (as Jesus said "not one stone shall be left that shall not be thrown down" gospels from memory).
So you're saying that the ultimate good here is for Christians to be saved from Tribulation, and that it is a process, rather than an immediate act? If so, I would have to say that only God knows how much trouble He allows in our lives during the present age. In the present age we have varying degrees of tribulation, and although God is always good to His obedient people, He does not always deliver us from trouble in this life. Some of us die in tribulation!

So I would say that God's goodness is not determined by our going through tribulation. Nor does God stop being good in all situations, tribulation or not. The reason God allows tribulation is because for a time He allows sinners to make their choices, and see their consequences. Then they are judged.

In the present age people do get judged. But the whole world does not get judged and enter into a new phase until AntiChristianity is developed in the whole world, just as God let Israel develop into full apostasy at the rejection of Christ. It was at that time that Israel received her age-long judgment and tribulation as a punishment--something that will only end when Christ returns.

God lets people sin in order to judge them. Those who are righteous have to be righteous whether they are being materially blessed by God or suffering tribulation, as a result of living in a sinful world.

If we are suffering tribulation as a punishment, it is our duty to repent, if we are to return to God's blessings. God has no wish for us to suffer tribulation as a result of our sins. He would rather that we repent than suffer needlessly.
 
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Hi there!

Just a simple thought for you: can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

My reasoning is simple, God did not create Creation, just to destroy it (but to transition it, from unbelief to faith)


Like how he saved everyone during Noah's time? Was that a flood of salvation?
 

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The tribulation is the final harvest. All will be dead by the end.

Jesus is on earth the whole time, sending some to eternal life and the rest to eternal damnation.
 

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Like how he saved everyone during Noah's time? Was that a flood of salvation?
The Bible says "God will shorten the days, lest no flesh survive".

You are right, if we provoked God it would be over, but that is not what is going to happen.
 

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Hi there!

Just a simple thought for you: can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

My reasoning is simple, God did not create Creation, just to destroy it (but to transition it, from unbelief to faith); therefore, there will be times when Creation experiences Tribulation and times when it does not.

If God is able to allow for Tribulation, then His Spirit must also work, to deliver us from it.

God does not need to do this early or as it happens or late, He can do all of that!

The stone of Tribulation (metaphorically speaking), must be thrown down, as any other stone of the Temple (as Jesus said "not one stone shall be left that shall not be thrown down" gospels from memory).
I think God can save to the uttermost.
 
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Hi there!

Just a simple thought for you: can God not save souls, before, during and after the Tribulation?

My reasoning is simple, God did not create Creation, just to destroy it (but to transition it, from unbelief to faith); therefore, there will be times when Creation experiences Tribulation and times when it does not.

If God is able to allow for Tribulation, then His Spirit must also work, to deliver us from it.

God does not need to do this early or as it happens or late, He can do all of that!

The stone of Tribulation (metaphorically speaking), must be thrown down, as any other stone of the Temple (as Jesus said "not one stone shall be left that shall not be thrown down" gospels from memory).
I do not see it written anywhere that the unbelieving 'during' the "great tribulation" will convert to Lord Jesus.

Scripture reveals that by the time the "great tribulation" starts, which will involve when the coming false-Christ will arrive doing great signs and wonders, every soul will then either believe on that false one, or not.

Those of us (Christ's faithful) who refuse that first supernatural one coming to work those great signs, wonders, and miracles, will be persecuted by the beast.

But God's Word reveals that after Jesus' future return, many of the deceived unbelieving Jews will likely convert to faith on Jesus Christ, but will stand in shame and in judgment throughout His "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

That Chapter also reveals there's to be a 2nd resurrection unto Eternal Life in Christ Jesus, which many instead make the mistake of thinking it's about the wicked. Per John 5:28-29, all... in the graves will be resurrected on the day of Christ's future return, and come forth, either to the "resurrection of life", or to the "resurrection of damnation". So the 2nd resurrection that some mistake to be for the wicked, is actually about those who convert to Jesus during... the "thousand years".
 

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You guys need to be getting this!

The power of the Holy Spirit is great! Don't put Him in a box!

You will know the future! Those ready with works (be it prayer, or other) will be blessed!
 

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You guys need to be getting this!

The power of the Holy Spirit is great! Don't put Him in a box!

You will know the future! Those ready with works (be it prayer, or other) will be blessed!

The Word of God was written via The Holy Spirit, so God's Holy Writ is never going to go against The Holy Spirit, and visa versa.

Apostle Paul showed in Romans 11 that the majority of his brethren the Jews will remain spiritually blinded by God until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. That fullness won't happen until Jesus' future coming at the end of the great tribulation.

That is why Jesus said the following about the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem regarding the day of His future return...

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.

28 But Jesus turning unto them said,
"Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

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For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'

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Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us'."
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That "Blessed are the barren..." was a quote from Isaiah 54 regarding the parable of remaining a "chaste virgin" waiting on Jesus to return and not falling away to worship another in His place. That is actually what the 'woe to those with child' metaphor is about (see also 2 Corinthians 11 by Apostle Paul).

So with the above, Jesus was revealing how the unbelieving Jews ("Daughters of Jerusalem") will act at Jesus' future return when they see Him. They will wish for the mountains to, "Fall on us", and for the hills, "Cover us", pointing to the idea of their shame for having rejected Jesus of Nazareth as The Messiah.

That reveals the unbelieving Jews are NOT... going to covert to Jesus DURING the coming time of "great tribulation". It instead shows they will remain blinded all the way to the time of Christ's future appearing.

The false idea of many Jews converting to Jesus Christ during the tribulation is an idea created by men's doctrines, especially with the false Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory. That is who they claim with 'their' phrase "tribulation saints" is about, because God's Word reveals saints going through the "great tribulation". The Pre-trib Rapture idea teaches that Christ's Church is raptured prior... to the time of "great tribulation". So they attempt to try and explain away the fact that 'saints' are shown going through the time of "great tribulation" (like Jesus' warnings to His Church in Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21), which if you pay attention to their false pre-trib rapture teaching, they still draw parts out of those Chapters when pushing a pre-trib fly away doctrine.
 

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I really feel like people need to grasp this: without acknowledging the power of God, you do Him a disservice.

We have an identity with Christ, that He will do everything to protect - we should be thanking Him that we are delivered and able to stand!
 

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I really feel like people need to grasp this: without acknowledging the power of God, you do Him a disservice.

We have an identity with Christ, that He will do everything to protect - we should be thanking Him that we are delivered and able to stand!
You're scared, and you should be. Because you know 'within your soul' that God is NEVER going to go against His Word of Truth. And if you deny the parts of His Word where He WARNS about the tribulation that is coming upon us, you no doubt are concerned that you might be in trouble, because 'you don't know how to prepare for it' PER His warnings in His Word of how to prepare.

Those of us in Christ that do... pay attention to what God through His Son and Apostles and prophets warned us about events for the end of this world, well know that as long as we 'follow' what Jesus said to do, then He will be with us, and we will be able to make a 'stand in the evil day' for Him, even if it means going through the coming "great tribulation", to the death even as Jesus taught.

Mark 8:34-37
34 And when He had called the people unto Him with His disciples also, He said unto them,
"Whosoever will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for My sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"
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Jesus said to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, because after that there is nothing more they can do, but to fear HIM Who can destroy both our spirit and soul at the future "lake of fire" (the "second death"). Matthew 10:28.