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So now you are saying that Job sinned, but it was just not yet imputed? :rolleyes: Just admit that mankind (regardless of which dispensation they lived in) are not sinless, 100% of the time.
Actually, that's what this passage would mean. If Job lived before the Law was given, he was one of those who sinned, and died, but their sin was not imputed, because God doesn't hold us responsible for what He hasn't told us.

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Actually, that's what this passage would mean. If Job lived before the Law was given, he was one of those who sinned, and died, but their sin was not imputed, because God doesn't hold us responsible for what He hasn't told us.

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What is a dead man responsible for? Until and if he receives the Life which Jesus brought when is he even alive? Was not Life lost when Adam and Eve sinned? Without Jesus when and where has anyone been born again? Do the dead have any reward other than death?
 

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What is a dead man responsible for? Until and if he receives the Life which Jesus brought when is he even alive? Was not Life lost when Adam and Eve sinned? Without Jesus when and where has anyone been born again? Do the dead have any reward other than death?
I'm referring to Romans 5,

Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

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I'm referring to Romans 5,

Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

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I understand.

My point was simply that death reigned. Jesus brought Life. For any man whose existence was confined to the time when death reigned did he have any hope of obtaining Life? Is/Was God really no respecter of persons? Did David, the King of Israel have hope with God as we may have hope with God? Was he not "a man after God's own heart"?
Was he not the "apple of God eye"?
Where was Hope before men knew Jesus?
Was the Messiah not their Hope? Was not Jesus the Messiah?

Did anyone follow God before the before the birth and Resurrection of Jesus? Did anyone fail to follow God during that period of time?

Much is given... much is required! So then should it not be more difficult for us today to please God than for those who lived before time of Jesus or before the time of the written Law given to Moses?
 
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Can sinning can be overcome in this life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Some Preachers and even theologian do not believe that all sinning can be overcome in this life either with or without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Only certain sins can be overcome, thus they leave a 'gap' where sin can continue in our lives.

But people take this to mean that they can keep sinning as there is nothing they can do, or that these 'sins' are not really "hard sins" or "iniquity", but just part of being in a sinful world. Is that correct according to scripture?

Here are some texts on how we choose to heed the desires of our flesh, and for whatever reason, set aside the conviction of the Holy Spirit. "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" Mark 14:38.

James 1:14-15 - But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Galatians 5:17 - For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
I believe sin can be overcome in this life, with God's help, though I can't claim to have accomplished that yet.
 

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I believe sin can be overcome in this life, with God's help, though I can't claim to have accomplished that yet.
You are right, you can overcome sin by God's help alone. In this life, not in the life to come. Being dead to sin is not knowledge, it is an experience. Israel was given the commandments in the wilderness so they can put it into practice before entering the promised land, likewise to us, we cannot enter the promised land and then there live a righteous life.

Deuteronomy 6:18 KJV
And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the Lord : that it may be well with thee, and THAT THOU MAYEST GO IN AND POSSESS the good land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers,

If you have put to death your flesh, you have ceased from sinning. 1 Pet. 4:1 (again it is an experience, not just knowledge of the scripture)

When you die to yourself and put on Christ, it is no more you, the sinful man, that lives, but it's the life of Christ that you live. Did Jesus live a sinful life? No. When your old self is crucified, it is dead and cannot go down to the cross and commit sin again. It is dead. But the spirit is made alive by the Spirit of God.

It is the new covenant of God, “I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and your idols and you shall be clean. I will cause you to obey my commandments.” It is the work of God. He said “I will” without our help. We experience this if we believe in our hearts that he can save us from committing sins.

Whosoever commits sin is a slave of sin. But if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed (not partially or sometimes free and sometimes failing). Jesus himself put the emphasis, indeed.

With men, it is impossible because when he fights his sin, he always fails and stumbles because he is in the flesh and is sold under sin, a slave. A slave cannot do anything but obey its master. Why do you keep failing and stumbling? You are chained by your master, sin.

But with God, all things are possible. When Jesus sets you free from your bondage with sin, you shall be free indeed, and you have now become a slave of righteousness.

Romans 6:18 KJV
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

How come one say it is impossible to stop sinning here on earth? You cannot serve two masters. When you sin, you are a slave to sin and cannot call yourself a slave to rigteousness. No man can serve two masters. Christ cannot have fellowship with Belial.

So when you die to sin, sin will never revive and resurface and overcome you because you have been freed and you cannot obey sin because you are already a servant of righteousness. Your master won't allow you to disobey him.

Being dead to sin and born again is a painful process. It is an experience, not a thought or knowledge.

One can say, “I believe I'm saved because the bible tells me so,” and still be not saved because he only knows, but doesn't experience it.
 

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People cannot overcome sin by there own actions. Sin is only overcome through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Leopards can't change their spots. Once we have accepted Jesus God does not see our sin anymore because it is all washed clean by the blood of the Lamb.
Ephesians 2 says that God gas prepared good works for those who are saved.
 

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Can sinning can be overcome in this life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


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Galatians 5:17 - For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
I've thought about this thread a number of times, and the answer suddenly dawned on me: we can overcome sin more and more.

That is, there is a progression into the after-life, with less and less sin.

(presuming we are diligent, to resist the Devil and uproot his seed, at the time of harvest)
 

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There is a world of difference between hating sin and hating people. Do you agree?
I just found this . OH YES i agree . Thus ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart ,
you shall in any way rebuke, correct them and not allow sin upon them . YES i do agree indeed .
 
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Which commandments in the law do you observe being broken by “anyone” so often? :IDK:
Thou shall have no other gods before me . GOTTA SAY that ONE is probably the most .
Or simple this , TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART , SOUL < MIND
and your neighbor as yourself . Most love one god above all . SELF and anything that serves that god .
 
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So which commandments are you breaking every so often?

:IDK:
Rather odd indeed this concept of todays peoples have become .
Paul said NOT let inquity be once named among you as BECOMETH saints .
Today its oh i sin hundreds , thousands of times daily .
ANY GUESSES what paul would have said to that .
THEN YE SERVE THE FLESH . WHO YE SERVE IS WHOSE YE ARE . paul sure sounded way different
than many of today do concering sin and the power of CHRIST .
 

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So which commandments are you breaking every so often?

:IDK:
If any man has not the SPIRIT of CHRIST , HE is NONE OF HIS .
and if one has the SPIRIT then the body is dead because of sin . I wonder if folks even understand that these days .
My advice , let us open those bibles and feast upon the glorious words of TRUTH and watch how fast
folks would learn and grow . But so long as folks sit under men who do nothing but twist scrips to fit agendas or etc
THEY are in grave danger .
 

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I understand.

My point was simply that death reigned. Jesus brought Life. For any man whose existence was confined to the time when death reigned did he have any hope of obtaining Life? Is/Was God really no respecter of persons? Did David, the King of Israel have hope with God as we may have hope with God? Was he not "a man after God's own heart"?
Was he not the "apple of God eye"?
Where was Hope before men knew Jesus?
Was the Messiah not their Hope? Was not Jesus the Messiah?

Did anyone follow God before the before the birth and Resurrection of Jesus? Did anyone fail to follow God during that period of time?

Much is given... much is required! So then should it not be more difficult for us today to please God than for those who lived before time of Jesus or before the time of the written Law given to Moses?
Oh david had HOPE . HIS HOPE WAS IN THE GLORIOUS LORD and IN HIS CHRIST who would save .
David actually saw quite a few things concerning this COMING SAVOIR who sits at the RIGHT HAND OF GOD .
FOR you will not leave my soul in hell neither will thou suffer thine holy one to see corruption .
DAVID KNEW WHERE HIS SALVATION WAS and IS . David knew . And so did the faithful few
lambs who throughout generations too had waited for the COMING KING the very salvation of their souls .
Many kings and prophets have desired to SEE what you see and to hear what you hear .................OH Indeed
there the sheep of ISRAEL were , looking for the promise of HIS COMING . The apostels and others saw him .
COME , this is HE of WHOM MOSES SPOKE , IS not this the CHRIST .
And NOW IN HIM we have all HOPE . And we too await now HIS second coming . LET THE KING BE PRAISED
and every hand RAISED in honor unto the GLORIOUS GOD and FATHER OF OUR LORD and SAVOIR CHRIST JESUS .