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Who is the Pope and why should anyone pay attention to what he has to say?
Christ the king!
The king of kings!
Christ is King of Glory!
Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1
One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!
Christ is the king!
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 2:10-11 all people!
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Jesus Christ is king!
We must submit and obey the king of kings!
And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Jn 20:21-23
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Biblical Example Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brothers obeyed and submitted to him.
Christ is king and a king must rule the hearts and minds of his subjects!
All are subject to christ! Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power (authority) is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
The pope is an IMPOSTER (just like "Catholic" imposter Joseph Biden) and we should pay attention to what he says since he is a Communist-Globalist bent on destroying the Catholic Church as well as the free world.
Biden does not have a very nice first name! these days anyway
how is women’s liberation part of communism?
how is women’s liberation part of communism?
That is not an answer to my simple question in terms any casual reader could understand.
Well at least your answer was easier to understand than the one @theefaith provided. I was speaking more about the present office of the Papacy than the specific man, Francis, who supposedly is in that office.
The papacy is an invention of the church of Rome and the bishops of Rome. It was more about political and secular power and less about anything spiritual. When you talk to the Orthodox churches, they will make it plain that it has no biblical support.
The popes loved their papacy since they practically ruled over the kings and emperors of Europe. But Christ did not authorize the papacy, since every church in the Bible was autonomous and under the authority of their own elders.
Why would a prime minister be needed, when we have Jesus and direct access to Him? Joseph, the son of Jacob was given power under Pharaoh, but he was a type of Jesus. Was Jesus a Prime Minister of God or His Son?
Is not Jesus the Head of the Body and does not the Body consist of you and me and other believers? Where would a Prime Minister fit in...?
JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
The pope is just a mere mortal man like the rest of us, he is not the successor or the representation of Christ as all Popes claim.
Peter is already administering the kingdom
Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as mediator
It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!
Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!
Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter
It’s Christ who does this
Why is the name of peter even mentioned?
Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom?
How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?
How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)
How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?
also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22 jurisdictional authority of the keys and called father
Matt 28:19 go teach baptize
Jn 20:21-23 same mission power and authority as christ
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 successors of Moses have the jurisdictional authority and the power to bind and loose which Christ says must be obeyed, then taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles and their successors
Applies only to Peter as “prince of the apostles”!
Peter and his successors are the Leader of the apostles and the head of the church until Christ returns!
Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,
Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!
Peter is head of the church!
Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)
Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.
Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father
Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)
Jn 21:17 feed my sheep
Peter exercises his authority over the apostles and the church!
Acts 1:15
Acts 3:4
Acts 5:5 5:10
Acts 15:7
ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18
Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22
Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
Matt 28:19-20
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
4 important questions:
1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?
2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)
3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?
4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?
Explain Jn 20:21 Peter and the apostles and their successors have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! “As the father sent me, so I send you”!
Matt 28:19 christ communicates his authority to peter and the apostles to teach all nations, baptize all disciples!
Jn 20:21-23 apostles even have authority to forgive sins
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 the authority and power of the successors of Moses required to be obeyed are taken from them and given to Peter and the apostles
Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:
2 Tim 3: 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
Matt 16:17-19
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
So what does Pope Francis have to do with Peter the Apostle or all the other Popes before him, they named themselves successors of Christ, there is no such thing in the Bible of naming Popes as successors of Christ, that is man made.
Philip James
Well-Known Member
Hello my friend,
For most, The Pope is the Bishop of Rome, although I do believe the Copts call the Bishop of Alexandria Pope (or its equivilent)
The term is akin to 'papa' or 'father' ..
If you're satisfied with that answer I'll try to answer the second part
Pax et Bonum!
why does it need to be in scripture?
Christians do not accept the false doctrine of the Bible alone, especially since the church wrote the whole New Testament
Isa 22:21-23 matt 16:18
also matt 23 the successors of Moses
Having kingdom authority (keys) and power to bind and loose must be obeyed according to Christ and this is taken from them and given to Peter and the apostles Matt 21:43 Matt 16:18
Brakelite
Well-Known Member
Governments are to be obeyed only in as much as they themselves obey Christ. If their legislation/teachings/laws contradict God's laws, they may be safely ignored.
The Papacy, since the early centuries, had consistently taught that she is above the laws of God, that she has the authority to change his laws as she wills, and indeed has attempted to do just that by enforcing Sunday sacredness, and persecuting those who choose to follow scripture. The papal attempts through the current Popes promotions of a climate Sunday, his appeals to churches and governments alike, are but a surreptitious deception to bring Sunday laws into the public once again. Obey him in this, and you place yourself in a position which could tend in the future to be your fall.
No need but thank you for the offer.Hello my friend,
For most, The Pope is the Bishop of Rome, although I do believe the Copts call the Bishop of Alexandria Pope (or its equivilent)
The term is akin to 'papa' or 'father' ..
If you're satisfied with that answer I'll try to answer the second part
Pax et Bonum!
I recognize your place with God even though it is different than mine. I recognize you as a follower of Christ more easily than I do some of the Protestants of today and on Internet forums like this one.
I was looking for some light from our friend @theefaith He is an apparently strong "Catholic" but not willing to submit to the Pope's authority from John XXIII to present.
My question really is to him on how that is different than what the Protestants did a few hundred years ago. Why is it that the Protestants are way off but his group branching off after Pius XII is not similarly way off.
He cannot explain precisely how he is different or better than Protestants in general and will not even admit that he might be standing on faith in God alone on such things.
I suspect that he does not really know the answers to some of my questions. That is OK. I don't know the answers to a lot of questions. Some of them I only believe... but I do not know.
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the Protestants opposed valid popes with the authority of Christ so they were in effect opposing Christ
On my part I only doubt the validity of these modern popes based on what they teach
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