Christ Life vs Religion

[soul man]

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, - Matthew 24:38.

Religion has nothing to do with Christ life - the life of Christ in you the hope of glory! The plan of God..the cross..and a birth. Religion is; man's attempt to find God..and please God.

Christ life - Christ in you the hope of glory! is God's way of finding man! These two extremes have nothing to do with each other. In my opinion - I dont even think God knows religion exsists in recognition. You can see what happens in Noah's day in man's attempt. We know God is omniscient - knowing all things ..but to say God recognizes religion (as a way), is to stretch the scriptures out of there original intention. And that is exactly what men in themselves do. Men have many ways to find God. All have failed and they come up with new ways.

• Tower of Babel all over again; God was building Him an Ark - and religion was steady at the attemp to reach and find God. God had one preacher man building a boat - while men did what they could to reach God.
• As in the days of Noe' scripture says. Eating drinking marrying and given in marriage. Men will always try to find God. The fall of humanity was a hard one, and Adam nature will not settle down-no rest. Man in himself has always sought to find God! Religion.

Not that I'm so against religion..but it has in it; not one iota of steam to do what God has done in Christ. And now by Christ in you! The two shouldn't not be mentioned together because of there two extremes.

They could not be any further apart than they already are. Anything we do to please God - is a separation of man from God's provision for man. He created man incomplete - the cross is; the completion of man. God goes back and saves Old Testament Saints. Jesus 'ministered to them.' They had no chance of spirit salvation in the Old Testament. They had soul salvation, but there was no born again in the Old Testament. Salvation was in soul, or they had peace with God by doing what they were asked to do by God. That was the salvation of they're day - today that is called; man's attempt to please God..to find God and reach him.. religion!

Footnote: Notice Israel could not give in to the new message! Why was that? It was the only way they had a relationship with God. They were not giving that up - and still to this day ..they will not give that up.

Just as Ishmael is worse today than ever (fulfilling scripture to be a 'man of war' all the days of his life). So it is with Israel not giving in to the new gospel. Some do on a individual level - but not as a nation! God will take back up with Israel again, but not right now - Israel has nothing in God until he picks back up with them in the millennial Reign.

 

[Robert Gwin]

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, - Matthew 24:38.

Religion has nothing to do with Christ life - the life of Christ in you the hope of glory! The plan of God..the cross..and a birth. Religion is; man's attempt to find God..and please God.

Christ life - Christ in you the hope of glory! is God's way of finding man! These two extremes have nothing to do with each other. In my opinion - I dont even think God knows religion exsists in recognition. You can see what happens in Noah's day in man's attempt. We know God is omniscient - knowing all things ..but to say God recognizes religion (as a way), is to stretch the scriptures out of there original intention. And that is exactly what men in themselves do. Men have many ways to find God. All have failed and they come up with new ways.

• Tower of Babel all over again; God was building Him an Ark - and religion was steady at the attemp to reach and find God. God had one preacher man building a boat - while men did what they could to reach God.
• As in the days of Noe' scripture says. Eating drinking marrying and given in marriage. Men will always try to find God. The fall of humanity was a hard one, and Adam nature will not settle down-no rest. Man in himself has always sought to find God! Religion.

Not that I'm so against religion..but it has in it; not one iota of steam to do what God has done in Christ. And now by Christ in you! The two shouldn't not be mentioned together because of there two extremes.

They could not be any further apart than they already are. Anything we do to please God - is a separation of man from God's provision for man. He created man incomplete - the cross is; the completion of man. God goes back and saves Old Testament Saints. Jesus 'ministered to them.' They had no chance of spirit salvation in the Old Testament. They had soul salvation, but there was no born again in the Old Testament. Salvation was in soul, or they had peace with God by doing what they were asked to do by God. That was the salvation of they're day - today that is called; man's attempt to please God..to find God and reach him.. religion!

Footnote: Notice Israel could not give in to the new message! Why was that? It was the only way they had a relationship with God. They were not giving that up - and still to this day ..they will not give that up.

Just as Ishmael is worse today than ever (fulfilling scripture to be a 'man of war' all the days of his life). So it is with Israel not giving in to the new gospel. Some do on a individual level - but not as a nation! God will take back up with Israel again, but not right now - Israel has nothing in God until he picks back up with them in the millennial Reign.

Christ is a religious figure Soul, you know it is interesting how almost everything has religion involved. For instance one may not think of it, but all holidays are religious, days to be held holy. Holidays actually means holy days. satan has his hand in deception especially strongly now since he has been cast to earth sir.

 

[soul man]

Christ is a religious figure Soul, you know it is interesting how almost everything has religion involved. For instance one may not think of it, but all holidays are religious, days to be held holy. Holidays actually means holy days. satan has his hand in deception especially strongly now since he has been cast to earth sir.

Yes the holidays are something we put in place. But we see through everything to him now. We don't see commercialism, we see Jesus. In the world we see through it to him. Or you will have to fight with all traditional settings. Which is what happens for some.
Example; it doesn't matter what day Jesus was born..we know he born - we see through it because we know he was born. We don't see pagan - we see Jesus on the tree, and all his beauty. We worship God!

 

[farouk]

Yes the holidays are something we put in place. But we see through everything to him now. We don't see commercialism, we see Jesus. In the world we see through it to him. Or you will have to fight with all traditional settings. Which is what happens for some.
Example; it doesn't matter what day Jesus was born..we know he born - we see through it because we know he was born. We don't see pagan - we see Jesus on the tree, and all his beauty. We worship God!

@soul man 'Looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2) is indeed a daily goal and challenge...

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes the holidays are something we put in place. But we see through everything to him now. We don't see commercialism, we see Jesus. In the world we see through it to him. Or you will have to fight with all traditional settings. Which is what happens for some.
Example; it doesn't matter what day Jesus was born..we know he born - we see through it because we know he was born. We don't see pagan - we see Jesus on the tree, and all his beauty. We worship God!

That is certainly the requirement Mike, I like the way the angel stated that point blank in the closing words of the Bible, Worship God he said Rev 22:9 Cant get any plainer than that for sure.

 

[soul man]

That is certainly the requirement Mike, I like the way the angel stated that point blank in the closing words of the Bible, Worship God he said Rev 22:9 Cant get any plainer than that for sure.

Can you imagine leaving a book (the bible) to be analyzed and dissected by man. Quite intriguing, and the Rev. 22 warning to not change it. Making the bible easier to read is boarder line. Imo.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

God's way of life is a religion. It was a religion before man existed, it was a religion when humanity was given the knowledge of God's laws in the OT, it's still a religion, and it will be a religion in the Millennium, and it will be a religion beyond the Millennium. All of the attempts "Christians" make at trying to divorce Christianity from being a religion is just a satanic way of saying "i want all the benefits of claiming Christianity with none of the responsibilities". God gave laws on how He was to be worshiped and how human beings were to conduct themselves in a way that reflects His own character. That is religion.

 

[soul man]

God's way of life is a religion. It was a religion before man existed, it was a religion when humanity was given the knowledge of God's laws in the OT, it's still a religion, and it will be a religion in the Millennium, and it will be a religion beyond the Millennium. All of the attempts "Christians" make at trying to divorce Christianity from being a religion is just a satanic way of saying "i want all the benefits of claiming Christianity with none of the responsibilities". God gave laws on how He was to be worshiped and how human beings were to conduct themselves in a way that reflects His own character. That is religion.

And we look at what it means to be in Christ. In Christ is not a religion. Expressing Christianity is another story.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Can you imagine leaving a book (the bible) to be analyzed and dissected by man. Quite intriguing, and the Rev. 22 warning to not change it. Making the bible easier to read is boarder line. Imo.

I certainly can Michael. It is the only book on the planet that Jehovah authored sir. Many of us including yourself, spend much of our lives studying, analyzing, and doing our utmost to put it into practice, and continue to press forward. We fully realize that we can spend an eternity, and will never know it all, that is why we know that we will always continue to delve into the scripture growing in our relationship and knowledge of God Ecc 3:11. Pressing on to maturity.

Why is this important Soulman? I just had an individual quote a verse to me. He quoted "Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved". You and I know he was 100% correct, no one who does not believe on Jesus will be saved, however his understanding that all who believe in Jesus will be saved, is far from the truth, that is why I pointed out to him that the Bible must be taken as a whole, and sometimes other verses clarify the meaning of some scripture. Christians expect to gain knowledge of God each and every day for an eternity. I am sure you agree.

 

[soul man]

I certainly can Michael. It is the only book on the planet that Jehovah authored sir. Many of us including yourself, spend much of our lives studying, analyzing, and doing our utmost to put it into practice, and continue to press forward. We fully realize that we can spend an eternity, and will never know it all, that is why we know that we will always continue to delve into the scripture growing in our relationship and knowledge of God Ecc 3:11. Pressing on to maturity.

Why is this important Soulman? I just had an individual quote a verse to me. He quoted "Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved". You and I know he was 100% correct, no one who does not believe on Jesus will be saved, however his understanding that all who believe in Jesus will be saved, is far from the truth, that is why I pointed out to him that the Bible must be taken as a whole, and sometimes other verses clarify the meaning of some scripture. Christians expect to gain knowledge of God each and every day for an eternity. I am sure you agree.

Yes, and the notion went around for awhile that.. because of the cross everyone is saved. Seems they were seeing something, and trying to put it together on they're own. To me anyway is the way it seemed.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes, and the notion went around for awhile that.. because of the cross everyone is saved. Seems they were seeing something, and trying to put it together on they're own. To me anyway is the way it seemed.

I am sure you meant the sacrifice of Jesus Soul. It was his flesh and blood given in our behalf, that opens up our redemption. Many seem to forget that and actually idolize the cross, even making images of it and displaying it, and some individuals even wear them. We have to be very careful to keep our worship pure and undefiled Mike.

 

[soul man]

I am sure you meant the sacrifice of Jesus Soul. It was his flesh and blood given in our behalf, that opens up our redemption. Many seem to forget that and actually idolize the cross, even making images of it and displaying it, and some individuals even wear them. We have to be very careful to keep our worship pure and undefiled Mike.

Yes it was the thinking of; Christ died for the world and now the world is saved.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes it was the thinking of; Christ died for the world and now the world is saved.[/QUOTE

Yes sir, It certainly is a great thought, but so very far from the truth. I truly hope for those that believe that, are correct, but sadly it is not confirmed in the Bible.