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This rabbi doesn't understand Reformation theology, but that's okay as most professing Christians don't either.
When I was handed the westminster confession to read by the pastor who eventually baptized me, I found it in complete agreement with what the Holy Spirit had already taught me, but for one point (the statement that the Pope was the Antichrist. ) The Lord Himself teaches those who receive His Spirit, the Witness of Christ Jesus.
Thank you. I like your real picture. Stallone is just an actor, you're a saint serving the living God. I would choose the latter over the former every time.
...and thus far no Christian apologist have beaten him in a debate, Singer, the master rabbi in Outreach for Judaism.
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Here is why the Jews dont believe in Jesus as Their Messiah
1.) "for they stumbled at the Stumbling Stone".
2.) "having a form of godliness, but rejecting the POWER< thereof".
3.) "and going about to establish their OWN Righteousness" they have not submitted to the Righteousness of God".
A.) Jews are RELIGIOUS.
"religious" is a person trying by self effort to establish their own righteousness, before God.
This is LEGALISM, and the religious JEWs are possessed by the theology of Legalism.
Many Born again Christians, and some who are faking it, are doing the same thing on this Forum, and in Pulpits.
See, when you TRUST in Christ alone, to provide you with what God accepts to accept you......then you have to give up your own self righteousness.
The JEWS, the religious Jew, can't, wont, will not.
See Hebrews 10:26 and watch them NOT GIVE IT UP.
So, they stumble at the Stumbling Stone, and that is JESUS who is the CORNERSTONE. "and this ROCK is CHRIST".. 1 Corinthians 10:4.... and not Peter.
The religious Jews can't stand to give up their Law and Commandments to try to prove they are RIGHTEOUS if they keep them..
And that is because they are trying to establish their OWN Righteousness, and have not submitted to the "righteousness of God".
Who is that?
That's their "stumbling Stone".......that is JESUS.
Religious Jews reject Jesus, because they want to try to establish their own righteousness, and Jesus says...
NO !!!!! '"IM THE WAY....IM THE TRUTH....IM THE ETERNAL LIFE....IM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE, IM THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD, whose blood poured out on Calvary's CROSS, and by ME= is the only way God will accept YOU. !
So, the JEWS< "stumble" when confronted with their MESSIAH because they prefer to try to establish their own (self)righteousness, vs accept "The GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" who is Jesus THE Christ.
Currently they are still stumbling, while God has opened the door of heaven to the Gentiles, in the "time of the Gentiles"'.
This "time" will end and God will resume His dealing with the JEW, = The Great Tribulation.
1.) "for they stumbled at the Stumbling Stone".
2.) "having a form of godliness, but rejecting the POWER< thereof".
3.) "and going about to establish their OWN Righteousness" they have not submitted to the Righteousness of God".
A.) Jews are RELIGIOUS.
"religious" is a person trying by self effort to establish their own righteousness, before God.
This is LEGALISM, and the religious JEWs are possessed by the theology of Legalism.
Many Born again Christians, and some who are faking it, are doing the same thing on this Forum, and in Pulpits.
See, when you TRUST in Christ alone, to provide you with what God accepts to accept you......then you have to give up your own self righteousness.
The JEWS, the religious Jew, can't, wont, will not.
See Hebrews 10:26 and watch them NOT GIVE IT UP.
So, they stumble at the Stumbling Stone, and that is JESUS who is the CORNERSTONE. "and this ROCK is CHRIST".. 1 Corinthians 10:4.... and not Peter.
The religious Jews can't stand to give up their Law and Commandments to try to prove they are RIGHTEOUS if they keep them..
And that is because they are trying to establish their OWN Righteousness, and have not submitted to the "righteousness of God".
Who is that?
That's their "stumbling Stone".......that is JESUS.
Religious Jews reject Jesus, because they want to try to establish their own righteousness, and Jesus says...
NO !!!!! '"IM THE WAY....IM THE TRUTH....IM THE ETERNAL LIFE....IM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE, IM THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD, whose blood poured out on Calvary's CROSS, and by ME= is the only way God will accept YOU. !
So, the JEWS< "stumble" when confronted with their MESSIAH because they prefer to try to establish their own (self)righteousness, vs accept "The GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" who is Jesus THE Christ.
Currently they are still stumbling, while God has opened the door of heaven to the Gentiles, in the "time of the Gentiles"'.
This "time" will end and God will resume His dealing with the JEW, = The Great Tribulation.
That would be because Christian theology understands and believes the nature of the anointing as expounded by the rabbi, and applies it to Jesus Christ, recognizing that Jesus only fulfilled about half the messianic prophecies in the old testament and looking to His promised return.
The rabbinical tradition doesn't recognize Christ's fulfillment of any messianic prophesy, and went so far as changing their translations of scripture, such as the JPS Tanach, to alter the meaning or interpretation of every messianic passage that is fulfilled in the person of our Lord. As one example, the passage in which Abraham was instructed to sacrifice Isaac, is translated in the JPS tanach to identify Isaac as Abraham's favored son, rather than his only son, to conform their carnal understanding to the fact that Abraham had 2 sons and that the scripture can't contain error. We resolve the issue by understanding Isaac as the Son of promise, and Ishmael the result of sin and faithlessness. We reconcile scripture to itself spiritually in many instances, but the unbelieving Jews, devoid of His Spirit, have no capacity to do so. Such reconciliation of spiritual content to itself is mediated by the teacher, the Holy Spirit, and by faith.
At least the Jewish Publication Society was honest enough to provide extensive footnotes for each fulfilled messianic prophecy that they misrepresent, stating that the correct translation was "unsure", "unknown ", or "uncertain."
No rabbi, rejecting Jesus as The Messiah, will give credibility to a more accurate translation than their own scholars have arrived at (they claim a continuing scholarship of 5000 years, while ignoring their own pre-Christian translations of the "canon" into the Greek language created for the benefit of the Greek speaking Jewish Diaspora.)
Well said Michael, but I'm afraid I am on my way out.
I would love to hear more from you.
Many members here don't particularly "like" Johann and I am being reported to the Staff, so I reckon my stay here will be short, if not banned by tomorrow.
Shalom to you and family.
I am aware of that. Tovia would "recommend" Christians to read the Chumash, imagine that.
What is your review on the OJB?
Next to my KJV, ESV, RV, I simply love the OJB.
Thank you Michael.
Thanks for the thought, but I'm divorced and have no Children of my own, just 1 surviving brother and some nieces and nephews. I actually feel closer to members in the congregation than my own family. I don't know their personal histories, just some of their testimonies, but we're more like minded in our faith than anyone in my extended family and I'm comfortable with that.
I'm unfamiliar with the OJB version. The only other Jewish translation I've read Is the Complete Jewish Bible, translated by a born again Jewish believer and including the New Testament. I enjoyed reading that version, but the writing style is not as poetic as the JPS Tanach, the KJV, NKJV, or ESV. The church I attend uses the New American Standard because the pastor considers it most accurate. I've read that version cover to cover and see it as doctrinally accurate, but it falls short in writing style for my devotional reading.
I do appreciate the KJV style in English. Other languages also have their range of versions.
This the Bible by Mr. Stern?
OJB
Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13]
Joh 1:2 Bereshis (in the Beginning) this Dvar Hashem was with Hashem [Prov 8:30].
I really enjoy this Bible, but it has some bad reviews, not that I care, I know Hebrew and Greek, not a scholar, just enough to know this is a good translation.
I am looking for the Complete Jewish Bible, is this downloadable on e sword?
I'm teaching myself how to speak a "croaky" Hebrew and love Jewish cultures, customs & manners. My wife was Jewish, Messianic, of course.
I'm sure that they do by now. The only foreign language version I could struggle through is the Santa Biblia, Biblia Bilingue, RVR/KJV. It was laborious but improved my Spanish a little ( It's not really modern conversational Spanish.)
I never desired to learn the original (and dead) languages, but reading multiple translations and transliterations helps to understand the doctrinal differences of the translators in the points where they vary. When a difference seems significant, I compare it to a literal word for word translation like Young's literal Bible translation.
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