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One member has been demanding that people identify the countries and nations that were a part of the 2003 Coalition of the Willing invasion of Iraq.

The Coalition of the willing is spoken about in Jeremiah. 50

In the first couple of verses, we are told the following: -

Jer 50:1-3: - Judgment on Babylon and Babylonia
50:
1 The word that the Lord spoke against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet.

2 "Declare among the nations,
Proclaim, and set up a standard;
Proclaim — do not conceal it —
Say, 'Babylon is taken, Bel is shamed.
Merodach is broken in pieces;
Her idols are humiliated,
Her images are broken in pieces.'​
3 For out of the north a nation comes up against her,
Which shall make her land desolate,
And no one shall dwell therein.
They shall move, they shall depart,
Both man and beast.​

In verse three we are told that a nation from the north shall come and make the land of Babylon desolate, but we are not told for how long this desolation will last in these verses. However, in verses 39-40 we are told that the land of Babylon/the Chaldeans will lay desolate and devastated for a period of two ages, which is a little longer than 2,000 years, if we set out to properly unpack the Hebrew text .

Jer. 50:39-40
39 "Therefore the wild desert beasts shall dwell there with the jackals,
And the ostriches shall dwell in it.
It shall be inhabited no more forever/for a fixed period of time,
Nor shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation/for an age plus an age.​
40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah
And their neighbors," says the Lord,
"So no one shall reside there,
Nor son of man dwell in it.​

Then in 1926, the nation of Iraq was established over the Land of Babylon/the Chaldeans, by Brittan and France after WW1 and Babylon was remembered once more before God. Rev. 16:17-21 tells us that this will occur.

And Jeremiah expresses his surprise that the Land of Babylon is again inhabited in the very next verse where we are introduced to the Coalition of the Willing lead predominately by the USA in the lead who in 2003 invaded Iraq and established their dominion over the land of Babylon/The Chaldeans and established a Parliamentary governance system in the land which was in submission to the Coalition of the Willing nations.


Jer. 50:41-42: -
41 "Behold, a people shall come from the north,
And a great nation and many kings
Shall be raised up from the ends of the earth.​
42 They shall hold the bow and the lance;
They are cruel and shall not show mercy.
Their voice shall roar like the sea;
They shall ride on horses,
Set in array, like a man for the battle,
Against you, O daughter of Babylon.​

And to establish who the kings are that joined the great nation from the north, one only has to inquire of Wikipedia as to which nations they came from.

It would seem that there were around 20 nations that had a contributing part to the Coalition of the Willing that invaded Iraq, and there were two characteristics associated with each toe which did not mix well together such that the nations did not adhere well with each other and the coalition members began to fall away within a few years of its formation. (Dan. 2:41-43).

As such the Coalition of the willing has associativity with the Statue prophecy and as Babylon was devastated and made desolate of people around the year 120 BC before the formal establishment of the Roman Empire out of the Roman Republic after the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, which was the final conflict within the Roman Republic before the Roman Empire became a reality in the year 27 BC.

With this understanding of the History of Roman Empire, it is difficult to substantiate that the Roman Empire was the fourth segment of the Statue Prophecy. Since the Statue prophecy is not connected in any way with the Beast prophecies of Daniel. 7 nor has the same topology, it is also difficult to make a connection between the roman Empire and the Fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12, since in verse 14 we are told that the four beasts are four individual king and not people groups, kingdoms or empires as such, although some "scholars" claim that these "kings" represent the manifested people groups, kingdoms and empires that have chosen to live within the respective dominions of the four beasts as such.

Biblical Prophecy and Historical records do confirm that they above is true.

Shalom
 
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In the OP I presented my understanding of world events based on the scriptures.

Do people hold to the same view or are not interested in adding to the conversation.
 

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Times are changing too fast or too slow. Depends on the direction of the topic. Hopefully more will add to the foundation in the OP.
 

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Times are changing too fast or too slow. Depends on the direction of the topic. Hopefully more will add to the foundation in the OP.

Firstly, thank you for reading the Op and your comment that more needs to be added to the foundation of the OP?

Do you have any ideas?
 

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One member has been demanding that people identify the countries and nations that were a part of the 2003 Coalition of the Willing invasion of Iraq
The Coalition of the willing is ...

... hidden behind a CURTAIN OF LIES. There is NO "Coalition Of The Willing" either in Scripture or in History, otherwise these LIARS would identify them. But the can't, because there is no such prophetic assignment. It's simply a theft of a "Desert Storm" term by a CULT, intended to "dazzle" their gullible followers.

And so this CULT performs as identified:

2 Timothy 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, 7 who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth.


And so the blind lead the blind, -- but watch that first step.
Bobby Jo
 

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... hidden behind a CURTAIN OF LIES. There is NO "Coalition Of The Willing" either in Scripture or in History, otherwise these LIARS would identify them. But the can't, because there is no such prophetic assignment. It's simply a theft of a "Desert Storm" term by a CULT, intended to "dazzle" their gullible followers.

And so this CULT performs as identified:

2 Timothy 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, 7 who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth.


And so the blind lead the blind, -- but watch that first step.
Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo you have been making this claim for a while now without any evidence to support your assertion in any way that a particular religious cult is referencing the Coalition of the Willing in their literature with respect to the End Times.

Now my question would be, "Are there any members of this forum who belong to this mystery cult who can confirm or substantiate what is being claimed by Bobby Jo, that the "Coalition of the Willing," i.e. the nations that invaded Iraq in 2003, is now a part of their cult's eschatological understanding of the End Time?

Or, Bobby Jo, if you want to be constructive with your posts, please present your understanding of Jeremiah 50-51 and the nations being referenced in these verses.

I wait your post giving us your understanding.

Shalom
 

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Bobby Jo you have been making this claim for a while now without any evidence to support your assertion in any way that a particular religious cult is referencing the Coalition of the Willing in their literature with respect to the End Times.

Now my question would be, "Are there any members of this forum who belong to this mystery cult who can confirm or substantiate what is being claimed by Bobby Jo, that the "Coalition of the Willing," i.e. the nations that invaded Iraq in 2003, is now a part of their cult's eschatological understanding of the End Time?

Or, Bobby Jo, if you want to be constructive with your posts, please present your understanding of Jeremiah 50-51 and the nations being referenced in these verses.

I wait your post giving us your understanding.

Shalom

I believe history repeats itself, thus I believe these two chapters are speaking of America and are in line w/ Rev. 17 & 18. There are too many things that don't align w/ actual history and can only be prophetic for a time in the future.
 

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Bobby Jo you have been making this claim for a while now without any evidence to support your assertion ...

NAME THE PARTICIPANTS of your purported "Coalition Of The Willing", and stop hiding behind your blather.

:)
Bobby Jo


To All,

A liar insists on something they WILL NOT SUBSTANTIATE. And I've repeatedly substantiated what both Scripture DEMANDS, and History SUBSTANTIATES. AND Scripture and History PROVES the TRUTH through the Dan. 2 Interpretation with: Dan. 7; Dan. 11; Rev. 13; & Rev. 17. But the LIAR can't provide anything except his ASSERTION.

And it's not to demean or disrespect this "presenter", because he's only repeating the lies of a particular CULT. -- But he HAS been warned, and still persists, so he's certainly earned a heaping helping of "Gullible" if not "Foolish".

:shrug:
Bobby Jo
 

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NAME THE PARTICIPANTS of your purported "Coalition Of The Willing", and stop hiding behind your blather.

:)
Bobby Jo

I believe I explicitly did identify the nations by association with the Coalition of Willing who invaded Iraq with the USA in 2003. A Google search would identify who the nations are and how they contributed to the invasion.

Now as usual, Bobby Jo, you openly slander the write by insinuating that he is a lair and a member of a Cult which you will not name without any evidence to support your accusation.
 
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I believe I explicitly did identify the nations ...
Cite the nations which you allude BY NAME.

Yeah that'll happen ... :confused:
Bobby Jo


To All,

I reiterate, -- people who LIE offer their ASSERTIONS, but deflect when it comes to the SUBSTANTIATIONS. As a Case-In-Point, ask any individual whose CULT cites the "Coalition Of The Willing" to NAME each of the participant nations, and they WILL NOT because they CAN NOT. Their CULT Leadership leaves these gullible people with the Assertion, and not the Substantiation because the Leadership is of satan. And where satan is the chief iiar, so we see the lies, -- with only Assertions, and no Substantiations.

And I actually feel sorry for these individuals who have been deceived and brain-washed into believing their CULT Organization. But at the same time, even addicts can separate themselves from their addictions. And so if a person submits themself to any adherence, they can equally separate themself -- if they have any MAN left in them.

With Very Best Regards,
Bobby Jo
 
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Cite the nations which you allude BY NAME.

Yeah that'll happen ... :confused:
Bobby Jo


To All,

I reiterate, -- people who LIE offer their ASSERTIONS, but deflect when it comes to the SUBSTANTIATIONS. As a Case-In-Point, ask any individual whose CULT cites the "Coalition Of The Willing" to NAME each of the participant nations, and they WILL NOT because they CAN NOT. Their CULT Leadership leaves these gullible people with the Assertion, and not the Substantiation because the Leadership is of satan. And where satan is the chief iiar, so we see the lies, -- with only Assertions, and no Substantiations.

And I actually feel sorry for these individuals who have been deceived and brain-washed into believing their CULT Organization. But at the same time, even addicts can separate themselves from their addictions. And so if a person submits themself to any adherence, they can equally separate themself -- if they have any MAN left in them.

With Very Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

Please note that we are predominately discussing Jeremiah 50-51 and not the Book of Daniel and as such you are off topic with your demands that I provide you with a list of the nations that participated in the Invasion of Iraq under the banner of the Coalition of the Willing.

If you want to know what countries were a part of the Coalition of the Willing, then go to this link: - Multi-National Force – Iraq - Wikipedia and continue searching for the list of names that you want. The name of the participating countries in the 2003 invasion of Iraq is not as important as you want to make out.

You are wanting a human face to the wicked heavenly hosts (Ep 6:12) that exercise influence over the sea of humanity such that what rises up as a manifestation of these spiritual entities and exhibit the dominate characteristic of the respective wicked heavenly hosts, i.e. the beasts of Daniel 7: 1-12, during this present time.

Jeremiah 50-51 was written around 19 years after Daniel wrote and it provides another facet into Daniel's Statue prophecy of Chapter two and completes the story of what will befall the Land of Babylon and the Statue prophecy is independent from the Beast Prophecy of Chapter 7. However, you are the one who is insisting on this forum that there is a common link between the two prophecies where there is none.

You are demanding that people conform to your understanding and bully them into either withdrawing from any conversation with you your attempting to define the ever changing manifestations of the nations that have chosen to inhabit the respective dominions of the beasts over the history of mankind. Now, it is possible to identify the nations that have ebbed and flowed in and out of the influence of the four beast over time through the history of mankind since the time of Daniel with the Grecian Empires, the Roman Empire, the Spanish, French, Germany, Dutch, British and USA as exhibiting the dominate characteristic of the Third Beast from a western history perspective. There have been other nations and people groups that have manifested the other three heads such as the Huns, the Ottoman Empire, Egypt, China, Russia, Japan etc. in other parts of the world.

The Statue prophecy is predominately focused on what will happen in the Land of Babylon and as such the identification of the nations that have had dominion over the Land of Babylon through history must be limited to only those nations that have had dominion over that land.

On the other hand the Beast Prophecy is a global prophecy of what will happen from a world wide perspective and the beasts are described as the four winds of Heaven, i.e. spiritual entities, such as fallen/rebelling angels, whose lives will span the full breadth of mankind's present world.

Demanding that I provide you with a list of the nations that have manifested the characteristics of the respective four beasts means that we are humanising the five beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 as a means of getting our head around the prophecy and in doing so we begin to miss the significance of the Beast Prophecy all together.

There is a spiritual battle going on between God and His Angels and Satan and his fallen Angels for the minds of mankind.

Now you have made certain predictions that will occur this year, and if they occur as you predict they will, then your position and understanding may be vindicated. I am happy to wait until then to see if your understanding is justified. Do you have the patience to also wait until them without being abusive and vindictive in how you post.

Now if you provide a well reasoned argument, then I am happy to consider it, but your present argument style only put peoples backs up, and not only mine.

The ball is really in your court to play ball.
 

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... If you want to know what countries were a part of the Coalition of the Willing, then go to this link ...

You're the liar so YOU SHOULD TELL THE LIES, and not foist it upon someone/something/somewhere else.

NAME THE INDIVIDUAL NATIONS of you purported participants of your purported "Coalition Of The Willing".


Liars LIE! -- No Kidding!
Bobby Jo
 

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You're the liar so YOU SHOULD TELL THE LIES, and not foist it upon someone/something/somewhere else.

NAME THE INDIVIDUAL NATIONS of you purported participants of your purported "Coalition Of The Willing".


Liars LIE! -- No Kidding!
Bobby Jo

Bobby, if I have to tell you who participated with America in the invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was call the Coalition of the Willing then, as I am not an American, I can only assume that your understanding of history, both ancient and modern, is very limited and as such your demands seem pointless. What are you trying to prove, That America is not mentioned or alluded to in the Bible? Or do you understand that the Pre-tribulation rapture will whisk every American up into Heaven because of America's righteousness?

Recent history and Biblical Prophecy in the book of Jeremiah, also tells me that Australia will suffer the same fate as America, unless we acknowledge and repent of our sins which are in essences identical to America with respect to the invasion of Iraq. Repenting of our sins does not mean that Australia will not suffer the consequences of our part in the invasion of Iraq.

Well Bobby Jo, present your case as to why knowing who the nations that formed the Coalition of the Willing are, is important to you and why Jeremiah's Prophetic words concerning Babylon in Jeremiah 50-51 does not introduce more information concern the last two segments of the Statue in Daniel's Statue prophecy.

I'll await your post in response to these questions above.
 

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... I'll await your post in response to these questions above.

The question stands: WHO ARE THE PARTICIPANTS of your purported "Coalition Of The Willing"?

And I've stated numerous times that you WON'T and CAN'T answer because your CULT LEADERS LIARS haven't given you that "information".

So be as Timothy states: "ever learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth"; -- or to put it more succinctly: a fool.

So now it time to re-bury the poor little horse that been beaten to death and buried; dug up, beaten again, and re-buried; and dug up again. -- So enjoy your LYING CULT, and LYING MEMBERSHIP! :)
Bobby Jo
 

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Bobby Jo why are you so afraid of the truth. The only person who is afraid to face the reality of the scriptures and its prophetic words is yourself and many members see right through your limited understandings.

As for the unnamed Cult that you are referring to, why are you afraid to name it? Is it because your views are inline with their practices of naming the nations that corresponds to the respective beasts and the horns of the fourth beast.

Now you have stated that the return of Christ will be soon and that we will see this event by the end of this year if your understanding is right. If Christ's return is as you claim, then if it does not occur as you claim, who is the liar then?

Now, I do not see that Christ's second coming will occur in our immediate future, as you do, but the end of this present age will occur in our near future, within the next 20-25 years, to take account of the Biblical Story telling accuracies when establishing a timeline for the Biblically prophesised future events.

As I have previously said to you, can we wait to see if your prophesised end time event will occur within the next year, before we go calling each other liars and members of a cult without any proof to substantiate that claim.

That we stop using false arguments to put the other person down instead of using logical and reasoned understanding to present our views on the topic of who the Beasts of Daniel 7 are.

Bobby Jo can you be reasonable in this conversation?
 
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Dearest All,

These individuals cannot tell the TRUTH, because the TRUTH is not in them. If it were, then they'd SHOUT FROM THE ROOFTOPS the NAMES of the Nations which they assert are participants in their "Coalition Of The Willing". But instead of that PROCLAMATION, we get SILENCE.


So ONCE AGAIN, the TRUTH of Scripture is given in Dan. 2:45 where FIVE World Empires are depicted; in Dan. 2:41 where the FIFTH Empire is called a "Divided Kingdom"; where History documents this as the CURRENT Three World SUPERPOWERS and the UNITED NATIONS; and where Dan. 7 supports this by depicting:

Lion/Eagle -- U.K./U.S.
Bear -- Russia
Leopard (actually a TIGER) -- China
"Dreadful" -- United Nations, which "was and is not" because it has NO Geography, NO Populous, NO Army, etc. It's a PAPER Entity.​

Of course as already stated, you'll NEVER get a similar defense of Scripture and History from these CULT Members, because their "Leaders" don't have details for their lies.


And while it's important to note that although the LIES come from these individuals, the source is satan, and they're merely satan's minions. And when they submit themselves to be brain-washed, is it really any different than the person who submits himself to drug or alcohol addiction? It seems some perish under these burdens, but many are able to come out from under it. And so too where these individuals enter this CULT, it is possible to separate if they still have the where-with-all to be self-determining, rather than remain a subject under the CULT's control.

With Very Best Regards,
Bobby Jo
 
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... can we wait to see if your prophesied end time event will occur within the next year ...

Next YEAR?!? We'll KNOW within the next 24 hours; then the next two weeks; and most likely the next two months. Because what you GUESS, is out of IGNORANCE; but what we should know is out of Scripture. And Scripture suggests:

1. Trump & Pence will persist on January 6th.
2. Trump & Pence will persist on January 20th.
3. Trump & Pence will PREVAIL in spite of their own deaths by coming back to life and ascending through the clouds.​

So STOP believing your LIARS. Get away from them. Start FRESH and ask GOD to reveal HIMSELF to you personally. And you don't have to wait to until tomorrow (the 6th), or the 20th, or until Trump & Pence lie dead and are resurrected. TODAY is your salvation!


Bobby Jo
 

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Dearest all,

Bobby Jo has his selected historical facts that he believes supports his position, however, the question is does he have the right historical facts that support his position.

Firstly, in Daniel 7:2 we are told that "the four winds of heaven stirring up the Great Sea." Who or what are these four winds of heaven? "Wind" in scripture is often associated with spiritual entities, and because these entities are of "heaven," then they must be angels, and Paul warns us in Ephesians 6:12 “against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places,” who in my opinion are Satan's fallen Angels, who do his bidding.

From the time that Daniel tells us about the beasts, i.e. the four winds of heaven, up and until they are Judged in heaven, a period of around 2,500 years will pass, during which time the four beasts will cause to rise up from the Great Sea, i.e. humanity, manifesting "beasts" of the four winds of heaven with characteristic that match the respective four "beasts," i.e. the four winds of heaven. How long have these manifested beasts out of the Great Sea, lasted for? History dictates that they only lasted for a period of some hundred of years before they vanished, which means that the manifested "beasts" that we see in humanity's history are not the "beasts" that are judged in Heaven by God, in our near future, at the same time that the judgement of the kings of the earth will take place at Armageddon, with the "beasts" being thrown out of heaven, Rev 12:7-9, Isaiah 24:21-22, and together with the kings of the earth they will be imprisoned for many days, i.e. 1,000 years (Rev 20:1-3). Daniel 7:17: - "'These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth." confirms that the beasts judged in verses 11-12 are each singular entities and not the manifested "beasts" from the Great sea.

So what Bobby Jo is listing are the manifested "beasts" from the Great Sea, which the Reformation fathers listed, from the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy for the first three beast, which is not supported by my understanding of what is written in scripture, and then they demonised the Roman Catholic Church, by claiming it was the four beast, particularly the German Princes, for their political purposes.

The third beast which has four heads, was not Alexandra's Empire, but it manifested itself in the four divided kingdoms of Alexandra's Empire which occurred after Alexandra's death. The description found in Daniel 8, would seem to support this understanding.

Now in the above post by Bobby Jo he has transposed the identity of the manifested four beasts to modern day kingdoms, empires and entities, which means that he has provided evidence that supports my understanding, that the "actual beasts" are the influences behind the "manifested beasts" that are visible during this present time.

What a number of prophecy commentators are now saying is that the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7:1-12 is the Islamic Religion and that the Little Horn is using the fanatical members of this religion to make pompous claims against God.

Now it has taken this long for Bobby Jo to present his argument against the "Coalition of the Will" which did invade Iraq, i.e. the land of Babylon, and as Jeremiah states in chapters 50-51, they went into the Iraq to heal the land instead of destroying it. The task of destroying the Land of Babylon, as Jeremiah prophesied in these chapters has presently been given over to the Persians, i.e. Iran, ISIS. Sadly most of the world is opposing this prophetic word in an attempt to preserve Babylon and are now crossing God a second time.

Bobby Jo's objection is that the fifth segment of the Statue is described as a "Divided Kingdom," and not "the Coalition of the Willing." However, if we consider the information that Daniel provides in the Statue Prophecy, we can see that what Daniel has written describes the Coalition of the Willing to a "T."

Dan. 2:41-43: - 41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Where in the usage of the translations below, the expression of a "Divided kingdom" is a description of what the "kingdom" will look like and is not the title of the fifth segment kingdom which will have dominion over the land of Babylon.

the kingdom shall be divided; - NKJV
it shall be a divided kingdom; - RSV
it shall be a divided kingdom; - ESV
so this will be a divided kingdom; - (The NET Bible®)
so this will be a divided kingdom; - NIV
it will be a divided kingdom; - NASU

The description in verses 41-43 above accurately describes the Coalition of the Willing, which is the title that was given to the invasion force of Iraq. It was also the description given to the arm forces that were part of the Kuwaiti war that happen between Aug 1990 and Feb 1991 where 35 nation took part in the conflict.

The Iraq invasion in 2003 only had 20 nations that I am aware of that took part in the initial conflict. This coalition can also be described as being divided which is in line with what Daniel wrote above.

Bobby Jo you have made some predictions as to what will happen shortly. If your prediction come true, then your position will be strengthened, but if this prediction of yours does not happen as you expect it will, then all that you have posted will be exposed as a lie.

I am happy to wait for your prophetic prediction to be proved right or wrong. Are you happy to wait as well, without your put downs and libellous statements, for your prediction to be proved or disproved within the next little while.

Shalom

Error and omission accepted.
 
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Bobby Jo it is good to see you posting your thesis to the Door so to speak.
 

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... it is good to see you posting your thesis ...
... as I've done some 50 to 100x (SCORES).

So how many times have you been ASKED to NAME the specific NATION Members of your purported "Coalition Of The Willing"??? -- DOZENS!
But how many times have you NAMED the specific NATION Members of your purported "Coalition Of The Willing"?!? -- ZERO.


Let everyone judge.
Bobby Jo
 
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