Every catholic sees the church in Rome and it's succession of Popes here = Matthew 16:18
"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Matthew 6
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
1 Timmothy 4
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Rev 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
And hopefully they read these things and the light goes on.
Every Baptist sees 'cessation of Gifts' here = 1 Corinthians 13:13
"And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love."
1 Cor 12
1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1 Cor 12
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
1 Cor 13
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
And then hopefully, we learn and seek and experience as we draw nigh unto God. We understand that these things do not cease until the perfect has come.
Every 'pre-trib rapture' member sees 'pre-trib' here = Revelation 4:1
After this I looked and saw a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had previously heard speak to me like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after these things.”
Almost always true. There are scriptures that tell us that Jesus will return before the final week. And yet if that person studies long and hard one day the light might go on. "Wait a minute. The rapture occurs at the 6th seal." "It's plain to see, the rapture occurs at the 6th seal." "The word specifically tells us that the rapture is at the 6th seal." And then if we continue to seek the truth one day, we might realize that the fig tree has two harvests. We might realize that God had planned for Israel to be the first harvest, but they served other Gods and would now be the second harvest.
Hos 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.
We might realize that the Jews have been blinded and that when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, part of them will see.
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
We might also realize that God is not done with Israel. We might realize that 70 weeks are determined upon the people of Daniel. The 70th week is the time of Jacobs trouble. The Church has to be gone before part of Israel can see.
Daniel 6
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
It also might seem strange that the Church is not mentioned after that door is opened in heaven (after being mentioned 19 times in the first 3 chapters) until we see them in heaven in Revelation 22. Once we put things exactly where God says they go in the word, we realize that there are 2 harvests, the grain harvest and the fruit harvest. And hence there will be two raptures as one will be like the days of Noah and one will be like the days of Lot.
Whatever shade glasses you put on your heart/mind = you will find it in the Bible = by your own choosing.
Interesting that you made this post like this. You are correct, as a Catholic, you stand on the verse of Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church. And I stood on that until a Baptist came along one day and said "For by grace are you saved, through faith and not of yourself, it is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. I thought, how does he know these things and I don't. That revelation caused a change. And as a Baptist, I am very grateful for being grounded and rooted in the Word and the truth of salvation. And then I met a man who walked in power. Real power, and faith. And then another. And I knew it was time to move on.
So in summary, I have worn those three sets of glasses, all three, and with the Word of God, I have gotten past all three shades of glasses. This is what I can tell you. Those that believe in a pretrib rapture are correct, and yet what they don't understand is that they have part of the Church going through the wrath of God which is incorrect. Those that believe in a pre-wrath rapture are correct. What they don't understand is that it is not the Church being raptured at the 6th seal. There is a reason that there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest. There will be two raptures, one for the Church and one for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman. Only those that flee in the nation of Israel and unbelievers go through the one-year wrath of God.
