Commandments vs Born Again ?

[twinc]

Jesus said keep my commandments but He did not say we must be born again - twinc

 

[Deborah_]

In my Bible He says both.

 

[twinc]

In my Bible He says both.



no He does not in any Bible - so go burn your's - twinc

 

[tabletalk]

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

 

[twinc]

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”


I have already stated the cause of this confusion is slipshod reading, study and false interpretation - Jesus did not say we[Christians]must be born again of water and spirit - twinc

 

[Jun2u]

Tell us, 'what does it mean to be born of water and of the spirit?'

 

[Jun2u]

I suggest you study the word "water" and "spirit" what these words really convey and perhaps you might get the true meaning of being born in water and of the spirit.

 

[twinc]

I suggest you study the word "water" and "spirit" what these words really convey and perhaps you might get the true meaning of being born in water and of the spirit.

I suggest you study the word "water" and "spirit" what these words really convey and perhaps you might get the true meaning of being born in water and of the spirit.

water = H20 and spirit = God - twinc

 

[Jun2u]

That's what I thought. Studying scriptures and the words contained therein are God's words We do not look for meanings "out there" (in the world) We compare scripture with scripture and how a word is used elsewhere in the Bible to get truth.

Water is related to baptism and baptism means to "wash." To become "born again" means we are to be washed of our sin-sicked souls. Water cannot wash our sins away only dirt on our skin as per 1 Peter 3:21. It's the blood of Jesus that washes sins away and not any form of water.

To God Be The Glory.

 

[twinc]

That's what I thought. Studying scriptures and the words contained therein are God's words We do not look for meanings "out there" (in the world) We compare scripture with scripture and how a word is used elsewhere in the Bible to get truth.

Water is related to baptism and baptism means to "wash." To become "born again" means we are to be washed of our sin-sicked souls. Water cannot wash our sins away only dirt on our skin as per 1 Peter 3:21. It's the blood of Jesus that washes sins away and not any form of water.

To God Be The Glory.

That's what I thought. Studying scriptures and the words contained therein are God's words We do not look for meanings "out there" (in the world) We compare scripture with scripture and how a word is used elsewhere in the Bible to get truth.

Water is related to baptism and baptism means to "wash." To become "born again" means we are to be washed of our sin-sicked souls. Water cannot wash our sins away only dirt on our skin as per 1 Peter 3:21. It's the blood of Jesus that washes sins away and not any form of water.

To God Be The Glory.


perhaps you would care/dare to tell us that Christ and the bible have it all wrong and we do not need to or have to be baptised by water and the H/S - all sorts of division, divergence, differences and disputes and confusion arises comparing scripture with scripture - twinc

 

[Jun2u]

perhaps you would care/dare to tell us that Christ and the bible have it all wrong and we do not need to or have to be baptised by water and the H/S - all sorts of division, divergence, differences and disputes and confusion arises comparing scripture with scripture - twinc

At the cross Jesus saves the thief an hour or two before he died. Did he receive water baptism?

You are correct, "all sorts of division, divergence,differences and disputes and confusion arises" because only a few will pay heed to the principles set forth in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 2: 13-14 reads:

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know; because they are spiritually discerned.

To God Be The Glory

 

[twinc]

At the cross Jesus saves the thief an hour or two before he died. Did he receive water baptism?

You are correct, "all sorts of division, divergence,differences and disputes and confusion arises" because only a few will pay heed to the principles set forth in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 2: 13-14 reads:

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know; because they are spiritually discerned.

To God Be The Glory


Jesus was a natural/supernatural man - are you not a natural man - Jesus only came to save natural men as sinners - twinc

 

[twinc]

At the cross Jesus saves the thief an hour or two before he died. Did he receive water baptism?

You are correct, "all sorts of division, divergence,differences and disputes and confusion arises" because only a few will pay heed to the principles set forth in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 2: 13-14 reads:

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know; because they are spiritually discerned.

To God Be The Glory



btw if Jesus said so or says so and redeems you - you would not need baptism - baptism applies in His absence - twinc

 

[Jun2u]

How many baptisms does the Bible speak of? If there are more than one, can you show where the scriptures might be?

To God Be The Glory

 

[twinc]

How many baptisms does the Bible speak of? If there are more than one, can you show where the scriptures might be?

To God Be The Glory

there is only one that matters - twinc

 

[bbyrd009]

11 I baptize you with water for repentance, but the One who is coming after me is more powerful than I. I am not worthy to remove His sandals. He Himself will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

you mean there is only one that you have a ritual for, i guess

 

[twinc]

11 I baptize you with water for repentance, but the One who is coming after me is more powerful than I. I am not worthy to remove His sandals. He Himself will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

you mean there is only one that you have a ritual for, i guess


tell us then when did this apply to you - guess you are imagining - twinc

 

[bbyrd009]

11 I baptize you with water for repentance, but the One who is coming after me is more powerful than I. I am not worthy to remove His sandals. He Himself will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

you mean there is only one that you have a ritual for, i guess

tell us then when did this apply to you - guess you are imagining - twinc

i kind of don't get this--it seems like the same statement as the op to me. Wouldn't it be better to assume that there is an application, if it is in the Book, rather than just dismissing it if we have no experience of it? So, you have perhaps some valid point to make in the op that i am not quite getting yet that i would like to, as i prolly agree that our def of "born again" is whacked now, but nonetheless it is in there, to be applied some kind of way, right? So i would say "just trust me," but you don't have to imo, for the same reason, that being that you can read it for yourself. I could give you some description but imo these are all ongoing processes, baptism of the Spirit might be likened to finding Word, and of Fire the experience of suffering loss or persecution for maintaining an unpopular position when you are in the right, perhaps, something like that.