Concerned about cancer...

[Raccoon1010]

I was super concerned about getting cancer since I chew tobacco. For a time it was obsessive with me. Then I read a study done that indicated no increased risk from chew tobacco. Smoking is of course dangerous as is eating smoked meat. So I'm a little less worried now. I would discourage people from starting a chew tobacco habit as it limits your freedoms and is addictive, expensive and may cause cancer:

Oral cancer in a tobacco-chewing US population--no apparent increased incidence or mortality - PubMed

Results: The average annual incidence rates (per 100,000 population) for oral/pharyngeal cancer in West Virginia males and females were 13.4 and 5.1, respectively; these compared with rates of 15.4 and 5.7 for the US. The average annual mortality rates (per 100,000 population) for the disease in West Virginia males and females were 4.2 and 1.6, respectively; these compared with 4.4 and 1.5 for the US. West Virginia oral/pharyngeal mortality rates for both genders were statistically significantly lower than US rates throughout the years 1950 through 1980. Among other potential oral cancer etiologic factors, the very low prevalence of alcohol abuse in West Virginia seemed to be relevant.

Conclusions: The hypothesis was not confirmed by data analysis. West Virginia is the state with the highest per capita consumption of smokeless tobacco, yet it has less oral/pharyngeal cancer than the US average. The authors strongly urge additional and improved epidemiologic evaluation of the oral cancer risk of smokeless tobacco use in US males.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Smoked meats, perhaps God just doesn't like smoke: Smoked food and cancer - PubMed

Smoking is a well-known source of food contaminated caused by carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Epidemiological studies indicates a statistical correlation between the increased occurrence of cancer of the intestinal tract and the frequent intake of smoked foods. As observed during the last 10 years in a certain district of Hungary with a Slovenian population, the percentage of stomach cancer among all types of cancer is nearly twice as high (47-50%) as in Hungary altogether (29.9%). In this special district, predominantly home-smoked meat products are consumed.

 

[Raccoon1010]

What Are the Risk Factors for Lung Cancer? | CDC

People who smoke cigarettes are 15 to 30 times more likely to get lung cancer or die from lung cancer than people who do not smoke. Even smoking a few cigarettes a day or smoking occasionally increases the risk of lung cancer.

 

[Mantis]

Smoked meat causes cancer? That is not news I wanted to hear. I love it. Chewing tobacco is like crack. Best to just avoid it. I have friends that chew and it is a temptation when they are around.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Smoked meat causes cancer? That is not news I wanted to hear. I love it. Chewing tobacco is like crack. Best to just avoid it. I have friends that chew and it is a temptation when they are around.

Yes it is like crack. Super hard to quit. But yes 50% increase risk of cancer when people eat predominately smoked meats. Stomach cancers. I was shocked too. I love smoked salmon, pepperoni sticks and beef jerky. All great with cheeses.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Smoke causes cancer it's clear. In fact there are links to burning incense and cancer: Is burning incense linked to respiratory cancers?

Some studies have found that burning incense indoors increases the levels of chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), which have been linked to cancer. This makes sense – burning any sort of organic material, whether tobacco leaves, coal or an incense stick – produces PAHs. But the mere presence of PAHs does not mean that people have a higher risk of cancer. It comes down to the dose. Does burning incense produce enough of these chemicals to actually affect a person’s cancer risk? The largest study so far, looking at incense use and cancer, tracked the health of 61,000 people in Singapore. Although the study claimed to show that people who used incense most heavily were almost twice as likely to develop cancer in their airways than those who did not, the results were weak.

 

[quietthinker]

looks like you've got all the answers devin!
chewing tobacco is the filthiest habit I've ever seen...the sputum cup.....its contents as unpalatable as a decomposing corpse
kissing a chewer? man, its off my radar!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I was a smoker for many years. Quit 5 years ago. Grandkids seem to help you with that..lol

These habits are hard to break. No one thought I could do it. In fact I did not think I could. I still get cravings. it probably will never go away

 

[Raccoon1010]

looks like you've got all the answers devin!
chewing tobacco is the filthiest habit I've ever seen...the sputum cup.....its contents as unpalatable as a decomposing corpse
kissing a chewer? man, its off my radar!

Well here's to wishing you never thought of me and kissing at the same time

 

[Lambano]

Well here's to wishing you never thought of me and kissing at the same time

Thank you, Devin. That got me out of a rather melancholy mood.

 

[stredaleve]

Matthew 6:34
KJV: Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
ESV: Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
ASV: Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
NIV: Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

the word of God is right truly a hassle thinking about tomorrow

 

[TLHKAJ]

And yet, it is wise to consider living a cleaner, healthier lifestyle that is good for the body God gave us.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them.” (1 Corinthians 6:12-13)

 

[Raccoon1010]

@JohnDB have a look at the original post #1 if you want to know about the truth regarding smokeless tobacco.

 

[JohnDB]

@JohnDB have a look at the original post #1 if you want to know about the truth regarding smokeless tobacco.

Tobacco may or may not cause oral cancer but that doesn't mean that it's all that good for teeth and gums.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Tobacco may or may not cause oral cancer but that doesn't mean that it's all that good for teeth and gums.

It appears to eliminate bacteria in the mouth, is that more or less than normal gums? I do not promote tobacco use, but it was my impression that mouth bacteria can cause problems in the mouth:

"When the balance between these bacteria shift because of a poor diet, poor oral hygiene and other health issues, it can cause the harmful bacteria to take over. Left unchecked, this imbalance can lead to bad breath, cavities, gum disease and even tooth loss." 4 fascinating things scientists know about the billions of bacteria in your mouth

I didn't really check to debunk claims of "problems in the mouth". It does look suspicious already. I do not desire people to say of they get gum disease or cancer something to the effect of: "you brought that damage upon yourself", is that what they do to poor suffering cancer patients?

 

[JohnDB]

It appears to eliminate bacteria in the mouth, is that more or less than normal gums? I do not promote tobacco use, but it was my impression that mouth bacteria can cause problems in the mouth:

"When the balance between these bacteria shift because of a poor diet, poor oral hygiene and other health issues, it can cause the harmful bacteria to take over. Left unchecked, this imbalance can lead to bad breath, cavities, gum disease and even tooth loss." 4 fascinating things scientists know about the billions of bacteria in your mouth

I didn't really check to debunk claims of "problems in the mouth". It does look suspicious already. I do not desire people to say of they get gum disease or cancer something to the effect of: "you brought that damage upon yourself", is that what they do to poor suffering cancer patients?

Chewing tobacco use destroys your gums. No denying that. Ask any dentist or oral hygienist about their patients who use snuff or leaf tobacco. When I used snuff the dentist showed me exactly how it was eating away at my gum tissue.

Cancer? Never had it. Don't want it either. But Cancer is a huge variety of ailments with a single name. (Wife works in cancer research)

Just saying that regular tobacco use has side effects....some you can live with and some you can't. It's highly dependent upon your personal genetics/DNA-RNA as to exactly what tobacco use will do to a person. For some people it's disfiguring and/or deadly and others just an odor....all genetics.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Chewing tobacco use destroys your gums. No denying that. Ask any dentist or oral hygienist about their patients who use snuff or leaf tobacco. When I used snuff the dentist showed me exactly how it was eating away at my gum tissue.

Cancer? Never had it. Don't want it either. But Cancer is a huge variety of ailments with a single name. (Wife works in cancer research)

Just saying that regular tobacco use has side effects....some you can live with and some you can't. It's highly dependent upon your personal genetics/DNA-RNA as to exactly what tobacco use will do to a person. For some people it's disfiguring and/or deadly and others just an odor....all genetics.

I will address that in the original thread here: Tobacco has a lot of negatives as reported by the prohibitionist, it is highly addictive also, what are the positives to use?

 

[Skovand]

Not sure if anyone is still following this. Would be interesting to dive in deeper into some of it. For example the smoked meat correlation to cancer. Is it the smoke mostly related to cancer or is it the meat? Like do smoked vegetables increase chances of cancer or does the antioxidants overpower the free radicals but since meat misses a lot of antioxidants there is nothing to overpower them.

There is also liquid smoke. I use it quite a bit. A teaspoon of liquid smoke in a pan mixed with some red wine to cook onions, mushrooms and potatoes in can be quite good.

A good site for nutritional advice is nutritionfacts.org

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They take a holistic approach to nutrition rather than the commonly abused and misunderstood reductionist approach.

 

[Rockerduck]

I've often wonder why it effects some tobacco users and not others. But Jesus said this:

Mark 16:18 - and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them;

This applies to food also. Holy Spirit filled Christians have Jesus as an advantage.