Conservative Democrats

[Josho]

Hello all

I remember seeing a list the other week that had the score on how conservative some Democratic politicians were or were not.

I lost the link it, but I think it showed 2 or 3 Democrats that were in fact "conservative." And there may have been a few more. I remember one even having on his websites policies that he was pretty pro-family and against Abortion, don't remember what state he was in though.

I am just putting it out there though, because I know there are a lot of Americans on these forums. And if I was voting in America in one of those electorates where they still have a conservative Democrat sitting. I would probably be trying to keep thosr conservative Democrats in, to protect that minority in the Democratic Party, and not let it go completely left.

It's kind of funny though, you are supposed to vote for the person in Australia, you would preference who you would prefer when you vote, but still a lot of people vote on what the majority of the party is and their policies, when a candidate might hold different views to the majority of their political party's views.

A lot of Christians in Australia will tell you "Vote Liberal" and it's been that way for the 2 decades maybe. But now it's at the point where the Australian Liberal party is more of a centre party and even has large left wing parts of it, before Scott Morrison, the Liberal Party even had a far left leader Malcolm Turnbull.

There are still a few conservative Liberals in Aus, and the Labor party is all left wing. I could not name one conservative Labor politician, Pat Dodson is probably about as centre as it gets for the Labor Party, because at least he stood against Euthanasia.

 

[Enoch111]

I lost the link it, but I think it showed 2 or 3 Democrats that were in fact "conservative."

You can file that under "Fake News". And Fake News belongs in File 13.

As to Australia and New Zealand, they have simply tagged along with the rest of the Western world. They would rather be politically correct than honest.

 

[Josho]

This is of course is about how can we protect the remnant in political parties.

 

[Josho]

Democrats Block Abortion-Related Bills as Republicans Seek Election Advantage

3 Democrat Senators vote for banning abortions after 20 weeks including conservative democrat Joe Machin III who stands against abortion.

That guys sounds better than how an Australian Labor Party would vote.

 

[Josho]

Another article showing that there is still a very minor conservative branch of the Democrats.

The Six Wings Of The Democratic Party

 

[Stranger]

Here in the U.S it wouldn't matter to me how conservative some individual democrat claimed to be or was. The division in the country is too great and the political parties reflect that. If you help put a conservative democrat in office, you give power to the democratic party, which I am totally against.

Voting has become easy. Straight ticket.

Stranger

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

One of the worst systems we have now is the way we have to vote in Australia, we can not just vote 1 we have to vote 2 3 4 5 6 type of rubbish and they get preference down the line as such but it should be vote 1 and if you want you could put a preference, so they have tampered with such a system in a way to bastardise the game play. we see this with say One Nation it would of won but for the preference vote the people who voted for her had to give preference and she lost, but if they could of just voted 1 she could of had a much better chance.

We have to vote for Mayor in the same way but I do not know who all the candidates truly are at all, so why should I preference someone that I don't know, what if their was only 6 candidates and one was the Satanist Party or a Satanist ? well you will be forced to preference that Satanist and that is totally wrong and I may see all of the candidates as antichrist bar for only just one ? so why should I have to preference anyone that I despise.
we have to vote here in Australia that's the law or you get charged. but the way that this bastard system works is that it can elevate bastards into power that the voter never truly wanted. so what I am saying is if you want to vote 1 you should be able to do so and if you want to number 2 etc you can do so, but don't force people to preference candidates you don't want or don't know as I see such as totally wrong.

My dad and his dad were Labour Party voters back before the 1970's but they were conservative Labour, then the communist wormed it's way into the Labour Party in the 60's and the Party changed in the 70's to be a Socialist Party but they would not boast of such as this so much, until 1990's that that gained influence and approval to peddle that line openly, As of PM Paul Keating Sir Joh said that Keating was a Socialist and the media man tried to make out that Sir Joh was a fool for making such a claim and Sir Joh said that Keating was nothing but a Socialist, then the media man who was once a school teacher and a Communist said how can you tell that Joh, as Keating will deny that he is a Socialist totally.(well he had to politically) then Sir Joh pointed out why it was a fact and the media man just dismissed such.
So you see Australia's political position after WW2 was anti Socialist because that was what the war was about getting rid of Hitler the Socialist ! so Socialist were not popular at all until 2000 and then the socialist could boast that they were openly. because most of the people who truly really fought in WW2 were dead by then 70yo or more and they had no real influence anymore.
The Communist were always about but no one took such people seriously for they were a joke and only the pathetic dumb or deranged sprouted such rubbish and that rubbish came from Russians migrants who were all lazy good for nothings who came here to sponge off the Nation, they were like a cancer.

 

[Josho]

One of the worst systems we have now is the way we have to vote in Australia, we can not just vote 1 we have to vote 2 3 4 5 6 type of rubbish and they get preference down the line as such but it should be vote 1 and if you want you could put a preference, so they have tampered with such a system in a way to bastardise the game play. we see this with say One Nation it would of won but for the preference vote the people who voted for her had to give preference and she lost, but if they could of just voted 1 she could of had a much better chance.

We have to vote for Mayor in the same way but I do not know who all the candidates truly are at all, so why should I preference someone that I don't know, what if their was only 6 candidates and one was the Satanist Party or a Satanist ? well you will be forced to preference that Satanist and that is totally wrong and I may see all of the candidates as antichrist bar for only just one ? so why should I have to preference anyone that I despise.
we have to vote here in Australia that's the law or you get charged. but the way that this bastard system works is that it can elevate bastards into power that the voter never truly wanted. so what I am saying is if you want to vote 1 you should be able to do so and if you want to number 2 etc you can do so, but don't force people to preference candidates you don't want or don't know as I see such as totally wrong.

My dad and his dad were Labour Party voters back before the 1970's but they were conservative Labour, then the communist wormed it's way into the Labour Party in the 60's and the Party changed in the 70's to be a Socialist Party but they would not boast of such as this so much, until 1990's that that gained influence and approval to peddle that line openly, As of PM Paul Keating Sir Joh said that Keating was a Socialist and the media man tried to make out that Sir Joh was a fool for making such a claim and Sir Joh said that Keating was nothing but a Socialist, then the media man who was once a school teacher and a Communist said how can you tell that Joh, as Keating will deny that he is a Socialist totally.(well he had to politically) then Sir Joh pointed out why it was a fact and the media man just dismissed such.
So you see Australia's political position after WW2 was anti Socialist because that was what the war was about getting rid of Hitler the Socialist ! so Socialist were not popular at all until 2000 and then the socialist could boast that they were openly. because most of the people who truly really fought in WW2 were dead by then 70yo or more and they had no real influence anymore.
The Communist were always about but no one took such people seriously for they were a joke and only the pathetic dumb or deranged sprouted such rubbish and that rubbish came from Russians migrants who were all lazy good for nothings who came here to sponge off the Nation, they were like a cancer.

The laughable part is Julia Gillard was an atheist pm, and Malcolm Turnbull was meant to be a Christian PM.......

Yet Julia Gillard stood better when she was PM than Turnbull, Turnbull was further left than Gillard, and Gillard probably was better than the 2 left wing "Christian" Labor leaders there has been since then lol.

10 years ago you wouldn't have thought that was possible.

Thank God that Scott Morrison is PM now. Still though, the conservative part of the Liberal party seems to be shrinking.

And now the Aussie politician with the most common sense now is Bob Katter. I wish the Katter Australian Party would expand out of Queensland though.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

PM Malcolm Turnbull was working to try as hard as he could to undermine the Australian Liberal Party ( the Australian Liberal Party is not Liberal as in the sense of how the USA sees things as Liberal ) The Australian Liberal Party is a right wing Party, but Turnbull tried to change it's spots totally but keep the Name Liberal, many long time membership of the Liberal Party were jumping ship, totally disgusted with what it was becoming and came to Cory Bernardi's 'Conservative Party' but when Turnbull got kicked out, Cory closed his party up because the threat was seen as gone with the new PM that took over the Liberal Party.

 

[Josho]

Here in the U.S it wouldn't matter to me how conservative some individual democrat claimed to be or was. The division in the country is too great and the political parties reflect that. If you help put a conservative democrat in office, you give power to the democratic party, which I am totally against.

Voting has become easy. Straight ticket.

Stranger

The point though is to keep the pro-life politicians in regardless of political party, otherwise there would be no one left in the Democratic Party, the Australian Labor Party still had a very minor pro-life part of their party in 2010, now that's all gone, because not many voters would protect it, they decided on their votes depending on what political party someone was running under, and not the person.

You wouldn't want the Republicans to sell out to the left too would you?, because when the Labor party started going far left, the Liberal party was also moving left, one by one conservative Liberal party members have been dropping off.

 

[Josho]

PM Malcolm Turnbull was working to try as hard as he could to undermine the Australian Liberal Party ( the Australian Liberal Party is not Liberal as in the sense of how the USA sees things as Liberal ) The Australian Liberal Party is a right wing Party, but Turnbull tried to change it's spots totally but keep the Name Liberal, many long time membership of the Liberal Party were jumping ship, totally disgusted with what it was becoming and came to Cory Bernardi's 'Conservative Party' but when Turnbull got kicked out, Cory closed his party up because the threat was seen as gone with the new PM that took over the Liberal Party.

Behind the scenes Bernardi was kinda in it for himself, he dropped the party, because of the poor performance from last election, he saw no way he could stay in for the next election. He took down quite a few minor Christian partys on the way to merge with his, and Aussies lost Family First as a result, he even didn't want to run Victorian politicians in the last state election, therefore pro-life politician Rachel Carling-Jenkins got dropped, had to run as an independent and lost her position in the Victorian senate.

 

[Josho]

Behind the scenes Bernardi was kinda in it for himself, he dropped the party, because of the poor performance from last election, he saw no way he could stay in for the next election. He took down quite a few minor Christian partys on the way to merge with his, and Aussies lost Family First as a result, he even didn't want to run Victorian politicians in the last state election, therefore pro-life politician Rachel Carling-Jenkins got dropped, had to run as an independent and lost her position in the Victorian senate.

Only one Pro-life party ran in the last Victorian State election as a result, and that was the Democratic Labour Party, I ran against James Merlino, unfortunately the Green preference vote was too strong and got Merlino back into parliament. It was in a pretty tough green electorate though, the Liberal running against him though was a CFA captain, and he still lost.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The laughable part is Julia Gillard was an atheist pm, and Malcolm Turnbull was meant to be a Christian PM.......

Yet Julia Gillard stood better when she was PM than Turnbull, Turnbull was further left than Gillard, and Gillard probably was better than the 2 left wing "Christian" Labor leaders there has been since then lol.

10 years ago you wouldn't have thought that was possible.

Thank God that Scott Morrison is PM now. Still though, the conservative part of the Liberal party seems to be shrinking.

And now the Aussie politician with the most common sense now is Bob Katter. I wish the Katter Australian Party would expand out of Queensland though.

I seen Turnbull as a typical Jesuit order creep, a NWO Satanist man.
I see Abbott as a typical Jesuit order Satanist creep as well but he played his cards well in making out that he was a conservative, it all sounded well but their was never any substance in anything that he did truly, he failed to deliver for Conservatives in fact. the stupid little smiles you seen him do proves that he was playing the people.
PM Scott Morrison is on the loony Christian end that idolises the so called Jews and is into end of times far to much for me, but he is doing really well as the PM and I totally hate that twerp leader of the Labour Party he is a total sniping good for nothing moron, what a tosser he is really he is just a gutter snipe.

Cory Bernardi is the best Political person that I know to lead Australia I would say. if Labour won federal, Cory would be our only hope then in the LP.
I was a member of the Conservative Party and I wanted Cory's Conservative Party to become a State Political Party as well but he never took that on, I like State Government I don't like Federal Government, I like State Government to have more power and Federal should have it's place but not be so big. Socialist love big Government powers over all and I don't like one with total power over all as such can become a dictatorship to easy.

 

[Josho]

I seen Turnbull as a typical Jesuit order creep, a NWO Satanist man.
I see Abbott as a typical Jesuit order Satanist creep as well but he played his cards well in making out that he was a conservative, it all sounded well but their was never any substance in anything that he did truly, he failed to deliver for Conservatives in fact. the stupid little smiles you seen him do proves that he was playing the people.
PM Scott Morrison is on the loony Christian end that idolises the so called Jews and is into end of times far to much for me, but he is doing really well as the PM and I totally hate that twerp leader of the Labour Party he is a total sniping good for nothing moron, what a tosser he is really he is just a gutter snipe.

Cory Bernardi is the best Political person that I know to lead Australia I would say. if Labour won federal, Cory would be our only hope then in the LP.
I was a member of the Conservative Party and I wanted Cory's Conservative Party to become a State Political Party as well but he never took that on, I like State Government I don't like Federal Government, I like State Government to have more power and Federal should have it's place but not be so big. Socialist love big Government powers over all and I don't like one with total power over all as such can become a dictatorship to easy.

Anyway keep that Katter Australian Party running strong, they are doing a good job, just wish they would run in other parts of Australia haha. It's a good thing though North Queenslanders still know how to vote.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Only one Pro-life party ran in the last Victorian State election as a result, and that was the Democratic Labour Party, I ran against James Merlino, unfortunately the Green preference vote was too strong and got Merlino back into parliament. It was in a pretty tough green electorate though, the Liberal running against him though was a CFA captain, and he still lost.

Yes Democratic Labour Party is ok, I point to them if one is a diehard Labour voter to go Vote for.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Behind the scenes Bernardi was kinda in it for himself, he dropped the party, because of the poor performance from last election, he saw no way he could stay in for the next election. He took down quite a few minor Christian partys on the way to merge with his, and Aussies lost Family First as a result, he even didn't want to run Victorian politicians in the last state election, therefore pro-life politician Rachel Carling-Jenkins got dropped, had to run as an independent and lost her position in the Victorian senate.

Yes I was with Family First, before Cory came.

 

[Josho]

@Reggie Belafonte you would be surprised to know though, Green climate ideology though is not anything that new, it's been in schools for over 10 years, carbon footprint stuff was even taught in a Christian school back in 2008 I went to, well that's when I first noticed it being taught, and I saw some old faces, kids that used to attend that Christian school in the Vic election voting Greens......

 

[Josho]

The political downfall we have being seeing though really has been in the making for a while now though. I think it's has being in the making since maybe the 90s when kids started thinking it was cool to rebel. Maybe it was before that I am not sure, but there was a massive youth rebellion movement though at some stage.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Anyway keep that Katter Australian Party running strong, they are doing a good job, just wish they would run in other parts of Australia haha. It's a good thing though North Queenslanders still know how to vote.

I think that N-QLD have no option, no other Party truly gives a dam about such people who live out that way, so they have to vote for Katter or they will be only screwed over big time and they all know that.

Sadly the Liberal Party has always had it's City fat cats controlling it on the far right greed side that can be even Socialist because such people are just grubs, but the other half of Liberal Party are good people. in the QLD State Party they have been controlled by total morons from way back to the 70's they are a disgrace and when that moron Springborg joined both Liberal and National Party into the LNP that was the end they were all trash and so stuck up, that it was beyond belief and then a gutter rat ex Mayor became Premier that's so typical of such stuck up fools ! they do not listen to anyone in the Party membership at all, it's a closed shop.

Not to mention that the LNP handed the last election to the Labour Party on a silver platter, when if the LNP went into a coalition with One Nation (who are mainly Conservatives who had to jump ship of the LNP) they would of wiped the floor with the rotten idiot moronic Labour Party by 12 seats. but no this LNP mob love Socialist Atheist Labour any day over Conservatives. the sad fact is that the LNP will do anything to undermine Conservatives just as the Labour Party will do, because they are controlled by Satanist, and it's a creep show. it's all about undermining people for the fat cats and Socialist dictating dingbat ratbags.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello

Does anyone know what the real role of public people really are?

What is the role of a Policemen?

What is the Role of a politician?

What is the Role of a Pastor/Rev./father?

And Question like: -

Who is responsible for maintaining the Law?

Who is responsible for my Governance?

Who is responsible for my well being?

Do we live within the realms of Liberty or Freedom?

Can I have as much freedom in a repressive country/nation as I can have in the country/nation that I am living in at present?

Is there any fundamental difference between the constitutions of the various political parties?

Where do you find their fundamental differences that sets them individually apart?

And the questions can go on and on.