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quietthinker

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Do you think lack of knowledge of scripture can play ? Of course if you’re born into it then that would not be the case. I personally was almost lead into one by lack of knowledge. It’s the demonic that really is involved in the leadership of cults. Thanks Sister
Overtly Cults are so called by the mainstream because they don't have the numbers to make them 'acceptable' by the mainstream. Could it be however, that the mainstream could also be classified as a Cult but because the stigma associated with the word 'Cult' it is not seen as such.

If you were to ask a participant in what the mainstream deems a Cult whether they see themselves as belonging to a Cult, they would no doubt answer in the negative no differently than those who consider themselves part of the Mainstream.
 
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1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Reckon the Lord should amend His Word and remove this from His Word? View attachment 41502
No, I think man should study the history of the King James Bible and acknowledge the comparison between it and our oldest copies of the manuscripts.

1 Jn 5:7–8 For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
 
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Overtly Cults are so called by the mainstream because they don't have the numbers to make them 'acceptable' by the mainstream. Could it be however, that the mainstream could also be classified as a Cult but because the stigma associated with the word 'Cult' it is not seen as such.

If you were to ask a participant in what the mainstream deems a Cult whether they see themselves as belonging to a Cult, they would no doubt answer in the negative no differently than those who consider themselves part of the Mainstream.
The most dangerous cult of all is the one where majority attend.
 

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When a group deviates from the major doctrines of the Christian faith or adds a lot to the faith...that is considered a cult.
Beware "the major doctrines" of the Christian faith. There are man-made doctrines is nearly all denominations that are not valid.
 

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Everyone needs to venerate something. It's an innate part of human nature. Even Commies, who extol atheism, venerate Marx et al.

The cultic spirit may operate within a charismatic setting. When scriptures are regularly mediated via a pastor instead of the Holy Spirit, one is danger of getting spiritually sidestracked. This does not apply to new converts who need regular guidance from an elder or a mature Christian.
 
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Yes, it appears that the Sanhedrin believed the disciples of Yeshua to be a cult.
And yet, that isn't what this thread is about. This thread is clearly about actual cults ...not christians being called a cult. I don't recall the Sanhedrin calling Christians a cult. They did accuse them of blaspheming.

Anyway, we need to get back to the subject of the OP.
 

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The most dangerous cult of all is the one where majority attend.
AND it is the cult of the all inclusive we are one love . That BE a massive cult .
A cult that denies having to Have to believe on JESUS to be saved
but rather giving the idea that even muslims , buddists , athiests , whateverist , are fine , and all they need do is love ,
be as one , gather as one under what the inclusive calls love . IT aint looking good spyder . most folks are already
heading right into the inclusive false love cult to be as one . And it aint UNDER GOD either . Its under
HE who has convinced them through his verison o love and of uinity that he be the love god .
 

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AND it is the cult of the all inclusive we are one love . That BE a massive cult .
A cult that denies having to Have to believe on JESUS to be saved
but rather giving the idea that even muslims , buddists , athiests , whateverist , are fine , and all they need do is love ,
be as one , gather as one under what the inclusive calls love . IT aint looking good spyder . most folks are already
heading right into the inclusive false love cult to be as one . And it aint UNDER GOD either . Its under
HE who has convinced them through his verison o love and of uinity that he be the love god .
Brother is spotted. Praise the Lord.
 
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When a group deviates from the major doctrines of the Christian faith or adds a lot to the faith...that is considered a cult.
This leaves it very open to interpretation, but considering the ways of so many men perhaps that is to be expected.
 

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When a group deviates from the major doctrines of the Christian faith or adds a lot to the faith...that is considered a cult.
Of course, deciding what are "the major doctrines" is where a whole lot of divisions occur. Lots of denominations: Are all of them, which differ from mine, cults? [Note that I do not personally belong to any group anymore. Can I be in a cult of one person?]
 

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I would think the lie is that which insists the soul is not immortal.
Well, what does Gods Word say, I think thats what we should look at not our own ideas...
Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
 
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Well, what does Gods Word say, I think thats what we should look at not our own ideas...
Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Die.
Cease to exist? No.
Maybe we should consider the context. We're being told about the destiny of mortal humans.


Adam was told in the garden, if you eat of this fruit you will die. He didn't die physically. He died spiritually,as a spiritual being and became fully vulnerable as a human.
While we need to remember, Adams spirit,soul,came from God. God breathed into Adams nostrils and he became a living soul.

If our soul can die, being it is of and from God,that means God is not immortal.

We're told our soul,spirit can die to impart to us the understanding of unrepentant sinners destiny being we already know what death of our flesh looks like.

Yes,we should remember what God teaches.


Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.


Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

But do we believe that?
 
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To rest in Jesus and what He did for us is a life of peace and joy.

THAT is the sabbath under the New Covenant... don't tell the SDA
peoples though because they think this can only be done on Saturdays! exit_stage_right.gif


No, I think man should study the history of the King James Bible and acknowledge the comparison between it and our oldest copies of the manuscripts.

You must have missed these FACTS...

There are scriptures that speak of the Father.
There are scriptures that speak of the Word (Jesus).
There are scriptures that speak of the Holy Ghost.

You should re-read the entire New Testament and notice this.

Once you do this you can see very clearly that there
is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost through out
the New Testament... and these 3 are One

This is irrefutable and so easy to get that one has to get help from the devil to mis-understand agree.gif
 
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" And what is a cult? "

From a Christian standpoint a cult has several characteristics.
1. They deny the deity of Jesus.
2. Have another source of authority other than the bible.
3. Are often exclusive, I that they do not associate with other Christian.
4. Are authorities, they only have the truth and all others are in error.

Jehovahs Witness, church of latter-day saints,christian scientists, christadelphians all fit these characteristics.
 
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THAT is the sabbath under the New Covenant... don't tell the SDA
peoples though because they think this can only be done on Saturdays! View attachment 41524




You must have missed these FACTS...

There are scriptures that speak of the Father.
There are scriptures that speak of the Word (Jesus).
There are scriptures that speak of the Holy Ghost.

You should re-read the entire New Testament and notice this.

Once you do this you can see very clearly that there
is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost through out
the New Testament... and these 3 are One

This is irrefutable and so easy to get that one has to get help from the devil to mis-understand View attachment 41525
Yes, I find responses like this frequently. They comes from those who have put more faith in man's interpretations instead of prayerfully searching scriptures. Of course, I understand why people don't: it is both time consuming and also requires that we empty our selves of the teaching of those who also fell for deception. Unless a person truly wants to know God's truth, the person will consistently fall for false teachings and doctrines of man.

Isn't it sad that, while we claim that we have a dependence of the spirit of God to teach us, we lean heavily on the "commentaries" and Sunday School booklets to give us truth? Unless we diligently seek the truth of God, we will be deceived.

I had hoped that you, my brother, would not be one to imply that I have never studied scripture. The only basis you have to make such an accusation is that I don't agree with you, right?

May God prompt you to examine your beliefs based on Him instead of majority opinion.
 

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" And what is a cult? "

From a Christian standpoint a cult has several characteristics.
1. They deny the deity of Jesus.
2. Have another source of authority other than the bible.
3. Are often exclusive, I that they do not associate with other Christian.
4. Are authorities, they only have the truth and all others are in error.

Jehovahs Witness, church of latter-day saints,christian scientists, christadelphians all fit these characteristics.
It is much more comfortable for many to accept the majority norms. That way, we are never singled out as being deceivers. We should be grateful the the disciples of Jesus were willing to be singled out. And they never believed in the deity of Jesus, had no scriptures other than the Tanach, were exclusive but seeking brothers and sisters to come to Christ Jesus, and the "authorities," i.e. the Sanhedrin were rejecting Jesus. The did not accept "the authorities" but submitted to Jesus who told them God's truth.
 

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Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who tightly controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant. Wikipedia

Minority group
Self-appointed leader
Religious (not in the church sense but unwavering devotion to any set of beliefs or practices)
Considered deviant

Deviance or the sociology of deviance explores the actions and/or behaviors that violate social norms across formally enacted rules as well as informal violations of social norms. Although deviance may have a negative connotation, the violation of social norms is not always a negative action; positive deviation exists in some situations. Although a norm is violated, a behavior can still be classified as positive or acceptable. Social norms differ throughout society and between cultures. Wikipedia

So if you live in a communist country and a group of Christians gather, they are considered deviant because they go against the social norm.

I don't know if LGBTQ would be considered a cult.
They are a minority group. They have an unwavering devotion to their beliefs and practices. And in the heteroaexual world are considered deviant.
But who is their self-appointed leader? Do they have one?

Some say MAGA is a cult.
We are not a minority group even though the media portrays as small.
Some say Trump is a self-appointed leader and yet it is the people which "elected" him.
I don't believe the MAGA movement goes against social norms but tries to uphold them.
And only the deviant consider them deviant, in my opinion..lol

I would consider a group like ISIS or Hammas or KKK a cult.
They are not a majority group.
They have a self-appointed leader, (such as the Grand Wizard or Imperial Wizard, a Caliph is the leader of the Caliphate)
Their unwavering devotion is their belief and practices of the destruction of other people.
And are deviant in the social norms of their country. Unless their country is wholly a cult, then it goes against the norm of the collective world view.
so far.. lol


I think the operative word in the idea of a cult is it's deviance to the social norms.
Even though Christianity in it's beginnings may have been considered a cult by the religious establishment.
They didn't deviate from the social norms of the people. They upheld the good. Hospitality, generosity, kindness, etc..

I suppose it depends on whose eyes are judging them as a cult.

I suppose some could consider Mormons a cult because the practices of having more than one wife goes against the social norm.
Although not all Mormons are Polygamous.

What happens when the social norms change?

If LGBTQ became the majority rule, then would heterosexuals be considered a cult?


The world consists of labels. Labels are meant to divide and conquer.

And I guess you could say Christianity is a label to keeps those that follow it's beliefs and practices seperate from the world and it's deviant behaviors.

But is it a cult?
I believe the world is a cult even though it is in the majority. It's deviance outweighs it's need in a minority category.

I guess you would have to judge it by it's fruit..

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