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Featured Did Adam and Eve obtain salvation from God?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by friend of, Oct 1, 2018.

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  1. friend of

    friend of New Member

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    Question in title :)

    I say yes.
     
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    salvation from what?
     
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  3. friend of

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    From separation from God due to their sin.
     
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  4. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    The question is....will they. Judgment must begin at the house of God....which is soon to come. But not yet. There is no point to speculating about who will be saved or not.
     
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    Agree. :)
     
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    So we in fact do agree on some things? ;)
     
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    Haha!! Only when you agree with what I believe.

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  8. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    So THAT's how it works... :p
     
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    lol
     
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    i don't think that had really even sunk in yet, what separation from God really meant, but anyway,

    23So the LORD God sent him away from the garden of Eden towork the ground from which he was taken.
    24He drove man out and stationed the •cherubim and the flaming, whirling sword east of the garden of Eden to guard the way to the tree of life.w

    doesn't sound like "saved" to me, although imo we don't have a very good definition of that either
     
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    That is an enigma. We are not told. Adam is not mentioned in Hebrews 11, which list begins with Abel.
     
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    It’s time to wake up, the time for the judgement of the house of God is not something “soon to come”, it has already begun. It began first with the professing house itself, Babylon, (the false house, the professing church), and the judgement has already been rendered.

    Thou have been weighed in the balances, and have been found wanting…” Dan 5:27

    Behold, thy house is left unto you desolate.” Matt 23:38

    Babylon hath been (was) a golden cup in the Lord’s hand that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Babylon is suddenly fallen and will be destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed. We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reaches unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.” Jer 51:7-9

    “…Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev 18: 2-4

    Very soon now her final destruction will come.

    And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence (in the great time of trouble) shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.” Rev 18: 21

    These are but a few of the scriptures which show that the “krima” or final decision has already been made, in the case of “Babylon the Great”, “the false house”, understand however that Babylon’s judgment or final decision is a judgment upon the system NOT the individual members.

    As for now the only work taking place in regards to individuals is the separating of the wheat (the true Christians, the fully consecrated) from the tares (false Christians, i.e. nominal Christians, Christians in name only). The tool which is doing the separating work is the “sickle of truth”.

    The Wheat is being gathered into the Lord’s barn (the holy condition of separateness from the worldly and the worldly church), and the tares are being bound together all the more tightly into their various bundles (creeds, sects and denominations) in preparation for the fire (the trouble) of the great day.

    Those who are asleep and who are not aware of where precisely they are on the stream of time, have no idea this work is presently going on. Such are totally unaware that we have reached the end of the age (the end of the Gospel age), and as the Lord so stated, “The harvest is the end of the ageMatt 13:39

    The number one reason most are unaware of this besides simply being asleep, lukewarm, is because they have felled to take heed to the Lord’s injunction to heed the prophetic word as a light that shines in a dark place 2 Pet 1:19. Most have very little interest in prophecy, but it is prophecy which reveals to those who are awake the “times and the seasons” in which we live.
     
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    You should follow the instructions of the Lord. Judge nothing before the time.

    Your idea of prophetic isn't right. You are speculating. What is written in the bible is for all to read. But besides that...there are too many things to get wrong.

    After all even Jesus doesn't know the hour.

    Don't pretend to know more than you do.
     
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    It was not I who passed judgement upon the professing church (Babylon), it was the Lord, if however His decision is not sufficient for you then perhaps you should take it up with Him.

    No we are not speculating in regards to the "times and seasons", (in this case in regards to the Harvest) it is God's Word, the more sure word of prophecy which reveals this to us.

    As for your statement: What is written in the bible is for all to read.

    That’s true, for all to read, but not for all to understand.

    Only to the Lord’s fully consecrated, the wise (Dan 12:10), not according to the world’s wisdom, but according to that wisdom which comes from above, have the “mysteries of the kingdom”, the “times and the seasons”, been given (Matt 13:11) to all others it as a book that has been “sealed up” (Isa 29:11).

    Jesus is the “Lord of Harvest”, chief reaper (Matt 13:37) he would certainly know when the time of harvest had come.

    We don’t pretend to know anything, we either know or we don’t know, and in this case it has been revealed to us through the scriptures, that is to all who are truly awake and have the eyes to see.

    If you are unable to discern these things perhaps you should seek the Lord in prayer that he might anoint your eyes with eye salve that you might see. (Rev 3:18)
     
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    Good point.
     
  16. "ByGrace"

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    Yes, Adam and many more names are missing...Isaiah , Jeremiah, Daniel , Caleb and the "minor prophets"etc etc...

    I believe with some things God says " Mind your own business" :)
    Only he knows...
     
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    I am beginning to think the less I know, or think I know, the better, lol.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Well, they didn’t receive it from me.....
     
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    Actually the problem with the lukewarm Laodiceans is they thought they could see....and that they understood things.

    Be careful that by pointing one finger...3 others are pointing back at you.
     
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    I do agree with the scriptural concept that there are now and has been, ongoing cycles of sowing seeds of either good or evil and reaping good and of evil mankind, that is always accompanied by judgment and sentencing; being ‘tagged’ or ‘marked’ for the harvest at the end of the age. No seed grown has been harvested yet. Although each type of seed has already been designated for the ‘barn’ or for the outside trash pile. It is an important area for believers to understand correctly.

    God already knew who would choose righteousness in him or self-righteous in themselves. The start of the cycle of sowing and reaping and judging has been ongoing since God started this clock, sometime well before the time of Christ. These judgements have produced an accumulated ‘store’ of righteous ‘marked’ people, kept or tagged for safekeeping. Much larger and numerous well-defined piles of self-righteous people are clumped together as trash. They are awaiting their fate when the actual harvest begins in the future.

    I like to describe it as an integration relationship…..

    The sum of 1 to nth number of generational cycles of sowing and reaping (tagged hearts/spirits of men) = Total number of judgement cycles

    : n = the total number of 30-40 year generations = The time of the harvest when the accumulated judgment(s) of people over time are being executed.

    When the ‘barn’ or store is finally full, it is ready to be opened, the harvest is ready. These righteous of God in Christ are sentenced to life eternal – translated into living energy and light, immortal. The self-righteous and un-regenerated folks, outside the barn, are sentenced to ‘death’ and ‘burned up.’ Forever forgotten or permanently separated from God. Are they burned with fire and discarded as an impurity, and thus separated into ‘dead’ lifeless energy, without form or personality? Or into a place of severe regret and remorse for wandering selfish independent and fearful spirits. That I have not figured out yet.

    (Mat 13:36) Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying: Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.
    (Mat 13:37) And he answered and said: He that sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
    (Mat 13:38) The field is the world and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the weeds are the sons of the evil one.
    (Mat 13:39) The enemy that sowed them is the Devil, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are angels.
    (Mat 13:40) As therefore the weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the world.
    (Mat 13:41) The Son of Man shall send forth his angels and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and them that do iniquity,
    (Mat 13:42) and shall cast them into the fiery furnace. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    (Mat 13:43) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

    Blessings,

    APAK
     
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