Did Bible possession get banned by the church at Rome?

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Now this is one that people tell me didn't happen, and yet history clearly shows what happened and who was the power behind it. This religious entity from early on tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. (See http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/did-the-catholic-church-forbid-bible-reading.php, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-christians-were-denied-access-to-their-bible-for-1000-years_b_3303545)

They went around in there sphere of influence and burned the Bibles with the scripture holding what was later to be called the Majority true text or Textus Receptus which came from Jerusalem through Pella where the Christians had fled after the fall in 70 AD, and suppress any writings from it. And also the Bibles that came from Antioch where the Christians had formed their center of studies during the early church, and the true text that reach the Waldensians which they spread to the Reformation and used by Luther and others, so now you have an inkling why they had to be destroyed. They also actually forbid it from being read in a attempt to keep people from seeing the corruption they were allowing into the church, to bring in more pagan converts, and the changes they were making in direct contraction to the Bible truths, calling it traditions, such as the change from Passover to a different time and day we know as Easter. Many claim it was a misunderstanding or try to deny it, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look.

An extraordinary decision is found in the records of the First Council of Constantinople of 381-3, convened by Roman Emperor Theodosius. What was decided at that assembly presents an historical fact, and involved Pope Damasus, who was in attendance. He encouraged the 'veneration' of idols and so notorious with women that he was called the 'tickler of Matron's Ears.' (Lives of the Popes, Mann, c. 1905)

The historical record shows Pope Damasus banned the Bible and the laity was strictly "forbidden to read the word of God, or to exercise their judgment in order to understand it."(The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford, 1833-45)

After he suppressed the Bible, Damasus created an array of formidable penances and additional anathemas "designed to keep the curious at bay", (Early Theological Writings, G. W. F. Hegal). The primary intent was to keep the Bible away from people and to substitute Church authority as the rule of life and belief.

Owning a Bible was actually made a criminal offence by the Roman Catholic Church. In 860, Pope Nicholas I pronounced against all people who expressed interest in reading the Bible, and reaffirmed its banned public use (Papal Decree).

In 1073, Pope Gregory supported and confirmed the ban, and in 1198, Pope Innocent III declared that anybody caught reading the Bible would be stoned to death by "soldiers of the Church military." (Diderot's Encyclopedia, 1759).

In 1229, the Council of Toulouse, passed another Decree "that strictly prohibits laics from having in their possession either the Old or New Testaments; or from translating them into the vulgar tongue".

By the 14th Century, the possession of a Bible by the laity was a criminal offence and punishable by whipping, confiscation of real and personal property, and burning at the stake. Now your getting an idea why so many were being burned at the stake, and the hidden purpose of the various inquisitions.

With the Bible banned from public scrutiny by a series of decrees, popes endorsed the public suppression of the Bible for over a thousand years, right up until after the Reformation and the printing of the King James Bible in 1611.

Here are some of the decrees...

Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): “We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.”

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: “No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned...”

Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to “...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ’s sentence.” For this “heresy” Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council’s decree “Wycliffe’s bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River.”

Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance.
 

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Even though the practice of forbidding to read the bible is heavy-handed and false...one can see why this was ordered seeing as the result of bible ownership and readership...the thousands of human interpretations that have arisen since bringing endless schisms to the church.

As with anything regarding humans...we seem to be at a loss no matter what we decide to do. However, there is a remnant that get through to the truth regardless.

I, for one, am so grateful that someone had left me an amplified NT to read when I needed the Lord. :)
 

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Now this is one that people tell me didn't happen, and yet history clearly shows what happened and who was the power behind it. This religious entity from early on tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. (See http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/did-the-catholic-church-forbid-bible-reading.php, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-christians-were-denied-access-to-their-bible-for-1000-years_b_3303545)

They went around in there sphere of influence and burned the Bibles with the scripture holding what was later to be called the Majority true text or Textus Receptus which came from Jerusalem through Pella where the Christians had fled after the fall in 70 AD, and suppress any writings from it. And also the Bibles that came from Antioch where the Christians had formed their center of studies during the early church, and the true text that reach the Waldensians which they spread to the Reformation and used by Luther and others, so now you have an inkling why they had to be destroyed. They also actually forbid it from being read in a attempt to keep people from seeing the corruption they were allowing into the church, to bring in more pagan converts, and the changes they were making in direct contraction to the Bible truths, calling it traditions, such as the change from Passover to a different time and day we know as Easter. Many claim it was a misunderstanding or try to deny it, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look.

An extraordinary decision is found in the records of the First Council of Constantinople of 381-3, convened by Roman Emperor Theodosius. What was decided at that assembly presents an historical fact, and involved Pope Damasus, who was in attendance. He encouraged the 'veneration' of idols and so notorious with women that he was called the 'tickler of Matron's Ears.' (Lives of the Popes, Mann, c. 1905)

The historical record shows Pope Damasus banned the Bible and the laity was strictly "forbidden to read the word of God, or to exercise their judgment in order to understand it."(The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford, 1833-45)

After he suppressed the Bible, Damasus created an array of formidable penances and additional anathemas "designed to keep the curious at bay", (Early Theological Writings, G. W. F. Hegal). The primary intent was to keep the Bible away from people and to substitute Church authority as the rule of life and belief.

Owning a Bible was actually made a criminal offence by the Roman Catholic Church. In 860, Pope Nicholas I pronounced against all people who expressed interest in reading the Bible, and reaffirmed its banned public use (Papal Decree).

In 1073, Pope Gregory supported and confirmed the ban, and in 1198, Pope Innocent III declared that anybody caught reading the Bible would be stoned to death by "soldiers of the Church military." (Diderot's Encyclopedia, 1759).

In 1229, the Council of Toulouse, passed another Decree "that strictly prohibits laics from having in their possession either the Old or New Testaments; or from translating them into the vulgar tongue".

By the 14th Century, the possession of a Bible by the laity was a criminal offence and punishable by whipping, confiscation of real and personal property, and burning at the stake. Now your getting an idea why so many were being burned at the stake, and the hidden purpose of the various inquisitions.

With the Bible banned from public scrutiny by a series of decrees, popes endorsed the public suppression of the Bible for over a thousand years, right up until after the Reformation and the printing of the King James Bible in 1611.

Here are some of the decrees...

Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): “We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.”

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: “No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned...”

Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to “...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ’s sentence.” For this “heresy” Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council’s decree “Wycliffe’s bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River.”

Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance.
Yes, they did man Layman from having a Bible.

The Textus Receptus
Was written by Rasmus in the 1500s.

It was called the majority text because the printing press had been invented. So of course there were more copies.

What's your point is correct. They did ban Layman from having a Bible.

They also killed millions, which they now try to deny.
 

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Now this is one that people tell me didn't happen, and yet history clearly shows what happened and who was the power behind it. This religious entity from early on tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. (See http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/did-the-catholic-church-forbid-bible-reading.php, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-christians-were-denied-access-to-their-bible-for-1000-years_b_3303545)

They went around in there sphere of influence and burned the Bibles with the scripture holding what was later to be called the Majority true text or Textus Receptus which came from Jerusalem through Pella where the Christians had fled after the fall in 70 AD, and suppress any writings from it. And also the Bibles that came from Antioch where the Christians had formed their center of studies during the early church, and the true text that reach the Waldensians which they spread to the Reformation and used by Luther and others, so now you have an inkling why they had to be destroyed. They also actually forbid it from being read in a attempt to keep people from seeing the corruption they were allowing into the church, to bring in more pagan converts, and the changes they were making in direct contraction to the Bible truths, calling it traditions, such as the change from Passover to a different time and day we know as Easter. Many claim it was a misunderstanding or try to deny it, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look.

An extraordinary decision is found in the records of the First Council of Constantinople of 381-3, convened by Roman Emperor Theodosius. What was decided at that assembly presents an historical fact, and involved Pope Damasus, who was in attendance. He encouraged the 'veneration' of idols and so notorious with women that he was called the 'tickler of Matron's Ears.' (Lives of the Popes, Mann, c. 1905)

The historical record shows Pope Damasus banned the Bible and the laity was strictly "forbidden to read the word of God, or to exercise their judgment in order to understand it."(The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford, 1833-45)

After he suppressed the Bible, Damasus created an array of formidable penances and additional anathemas "designed to keep the curious at bay", (Early Theological Writings, G. W. F. Hegal). The primary intent was to keep the Bible away from people and to substitute Church authority as the rule of life and belief.

Owning a Bible was actually made a criminal offence by the Roman Catholic Church. In 860, Pope Nicholas I pronounced against all people who expressed interest in reading the Bible, and reaffirmed its banned public use (Papal Decree).

In 1073, Pope Gregory supported and confirmed the ban, and in 1198, Pope Innocent III declared that anybody caught reading the Bible would be stoned to death by "soldiers of the Church military." (Diderot's Encyclopedia, 1759).

In 1229, the Council of Toulouse, passed another Decree "that strictly prohibits laics from having in their possession either the Old or New Testaments; or from translating them into the vulgar tongue".

By the 14th Century, the possession of a Bible by the laity was a criminal offence and punishable by whipping, confiscation of real and personal property, and burning at the stake. Now your getting an idea why so many were being burned at the stake, and the hidden purpose of the various inquisitions.

With the Bible banned from public scrutiny by a series of decrees, popes endorsed the public suppression of the Bible for over a thousand years, right up until after the Reformation and the printing of the King James Bible in 1611.

Here are some of the decrees...

Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): “We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.”

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: “No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned...”

Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to “...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ’s sentence.” For this “heresy” Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council’s decree “Wycliffe’s bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River.”

Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance.
Oh goodness....another anti-Catholic thread full of lies. When will the persecution end?

Did you even read the links you provided? Do you know why bibles were burned and.....God forbid....chained to the pulpit?

Mary
 

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Oh goodness....another anti-Catholic thread full of lies. When will the persecution end?

Did you even read the links you provided? Do you know why bibles were burned and.....God forbid....chained to the pulpit?

Mary

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Oh goodness....another anti-Catholic thread full of lies. When will the persecution end?

Did you even read the links you provided? Do you know why bibles were burned and.....God forbid....chained to the pulpit?

Mary
Its a good cover but it doesn't wash as the record is clear they burned the Bibles and books based on it which showed how far they had gone from its teachings, and punished those found with it. The Bible was placed on Rome's Index of Forbidden Books list by the Council of Toulouse/Toledo in the year 1229. It remained there until the index was discontinued at Vatican Council II. Anyone reading or owning a 'forbidden' book was anathematized, or cursed and remanded to hell for doing so.
 

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Now this is one that people tell me didn't happen, and yet history clearly shows what happened and who was the power behind it. This religious entity from early on tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. (See http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/did-the-catholic-church-forbid-bible-reading.php, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-christians-were-denied-access-to-their-bible-for-1000-years_b_3303545)

They went around in there sphere of influence and burned the Bibles with the scripture holding what was later to be called the Majority true text or Textus Receptus which came from Jerusalem through Pella where the Christians had fled after the fall in 70 AD, and suppress any writings from it. And also the Bibles that came from Antioch where the Christians had formed their center of studies during the early church, and the true text that reach the Waldensians which they spread to the Reformation and used by Luther and others, so now you have an inkling why they had to be destroyed. They also actually forbid it from being read in a attempt to keep people from seeing the corruption they were allowing into the church, to bring in more pagan converts, and the changes they were making in direct contraction to the Bible truths, calling it traditions, such as the change from Passover to a different time and day we know as Easter. Many claim it was a misunderstanding or try to deny it, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look.

An extraordinary decision is found in the records of the First Council of Constantinople of 381-3, convened by Roman Emperor Theodosius. What was decided at that assembly presents an historical fact, and involved Pope Damasus, who was in attendance. He encouraged the 'veneration' of idols and so notorious with women that he was called the 'tickler of Matron's Ears.' (Lives of the Popes, Mann, c. 1905)

The historical record shows Pope Damasus banned the Bible and the laity was strictly "forbidden to read the word of God, or to exercise their judgment in order to understand it."(The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford, 1833-45)

After he suppressed the Bible, Damasus created an array of formidable penances and additional anathemas "designed to keep the curious at bay", (Early Theological Writings, G. W. F. Hegal). The primary intent was to keep the Bible away from people and to substitute Church authority as the rule of life and belief.

Owning a Bible was actually made a criminal offence by the Roman Catholic Church. In 860, Pope Nicholas I pronounced against all people who expressed interest in reading the Bible, and reaffirmed its banned public use (Papal Decree).

In 1073, Pope Gregory supported and confirmed the ban, and in 1198, Pope Innocent III declared that anybody caught reading the Bible would be stoned to death by "soldiers of the Church military." (Diderot's Encyclopedia, 1759).

In 1229, the Council of Toulouse, passed another Decree "that strictly prohibits laics from having in their possession either the Old or New Testaments; or from translating them into the vulgar tongue".

By the 14th Century, the possession of a Bible by the laity was a criminal offence and punishable by whipping, confiscation of real and personal property, and burning at the stake. Now your getting an idea why so many were being burned at the stake, and the hidden purpose of the various inquisitions.

With the Bible banned from public scrutiny by a series of decrees, popes endorsed the public suppression of the Bible for over a thousand years, right up until after the Reformation and the printing of the King James Bible in 1611.

Here are some of the decrees...

Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): “We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.”

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: “No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned...”

Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to “...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ’s sentence.” For this “heresy” Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council’s decree “Wycliffe’s bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River.”

Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance.
This is utter nonsense and complete historical revisionism.

First of all - if you know ANYTHING about history - you would know that up to EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT (85%) of the public was functionally illiterate.

Secondly - owning a Bible was completely out of the question for MOST people because of the cost. bibles were HANDWRITTEN up to the 15th century and took YEARS to transcribe, making them extremely expensive and difficult to come by. This is why they were chained to pulpits across Europe and beyond - to protect them from being stolen.

Thirdly - the only ones who COULD afford to own a Bible were the rich. Some of those rich people took to having copies of their own transcribed. Unfortunately, their scribes weren't properly schooled in the languages, resulting in really BAD translations and heretical errors. THIS is why owning Bibles was banned. It had NOTHING to do with keeping the information "away" from the public. The vast majority of the Bible is read in a 3-year cycle during the Mass.

Finally - as to your "fact" above in RED . . .
The full Canon of Scripture as we know it today wasn't even DECLARED until 382 - yet YOU that same Pope (Damasus) "banning" the Bible.
 
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Even though the practice of forbidding to read the bible is heavy-handed and false...

one can see why this was ordered

You say that forbidding of reading the Bible is False...

Then you say that forbidding of reading the Bible was Ordered....

Which was it...?

Glory to God,
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When will the persecution end?
Persecution??? Really??? Tell me.
  • Are you free to go to mass ever Sunday at your leisure?
  • Are you free to enter into any Christian book-shop in your neighbourhood and purchase a Bible of your choice?
  • Are you free to leave the current church where you attend, and join another without being forbidden from anyone in 'authority'?
  • Are you free to worship in full accordance to your conscience?
  • Is criticism of your church, its history, and its teachings, in any way affecting you personally in your ability to continue to choose to ignore or accept such criticism?
  • Are you forced to confess before any religious authority your errors and to renounce them on pain of punishment, confiscation of goods, even loss of life?
If your answer to any one of the above is yes, then you are not being persecuted. If your answer to any two or more of the above is yes, then you are blessed beyond measure. If your answer to all the above is yes, then you are simply being utterly foolish and overly sensitive and paranoid in the above post and throwing out incendiary accusations in order to defend the indefensible.
 
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Even though the practice of forbidding to read the bible is heavy-handed and false...one can see why this was ordered seeing as the result of bible ownership and readership...the thousands of human interpretations that have arisen since bringing endless schisms to the church.

As with anything regarding humans...we seem to be at a loss no matter what we decide to do. However, there is a remnant that get through to the truth regardless.

I, for one, am so grateful that someone had left me an amplified NT to read when I needed the Lord. :)
This is a foolish and confusing argument.
 

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Persecution??? Really??? Tell me.
  • Are you free to go to mass ever Sunday at your leisure?
  • Are you free to enter into any Christian book-shop in your neighbourhood and purchase a Bible of your choice?
  • Are you free to leave the current church where you attend, and join another without being forbidden from anyone in 'authority'?
  • Are you free to worship in full accordance to your conscience?
  • Is criticism of your church, its history, and its teachings, in any way affecting you personally in your ability to continue to choose to ignore or accept such criticism?
  • Are you forced to confess before any religious authority your errors and to renounce them on pain of punishment, confiscation of goods, even loss of life?
If your answer to any one of the above is yes, then you are not being persecuted. If your answer to any two or more of the above is yes, then you are blessed beyond measure. If your answer to all the above is yes, then you are simply being utterly foolish and overly sensitive and paranoid in the above post and throwing out incendiary accusations in order to defend the indefensible.
I am blessed....And persecuted.

One does not cancel out the other. ;)

Mary
 

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Its a good cover but it doesn't wash as the record is clear they burned the Bibles and books based on it which showed how far they had gone from its teachings, and punished those found with it. The Bible was placed on Rome's Index of Forbidden Books list by the Council of Toulouse/Toledo in the year 1229. It remained there until the index was discontinued at Vatican Council II. Anyone reading or owning a 'forbidden' book was anathematized, or cursed and remanded to hell for doing so.
Soooooo you don't know your own Christian history and know why bibles were burned.....:(
 
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I am blessed....And persecuted.

One does not cancel out the other. ;)

Mary
No, you are not persecuted. Your church is being criticised. And no-one, certainly not me, is claiming there aren't genuine Christians in your church. But that is despite the church, not because of it.
 

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Did Bible possession get banned by the church at Rome?

Historically, (and Foretold it would Occur)
Scriptures have been;
Protected, Banned, Burned, Stolen, Hidden...
Etc.

BY;
Clans, Tribes, Church's, Kings, Conquerers
Etc.

I would say Noone in particular gets all the credit.

And today, (when a HIGH percentage of people ARE LITERATE), IN the U.S. Anyone can buy, have, own, ANY printed Book of Scriptures, of their own choosing...

And statistics gladly reveal a very LARGE number of people OWN their own Personal Bible....
AND
Statistics sadly reveal, a very SMALL percent of people, actually open up their personally owned Book of Scriptures and READ it.

AND FYI, "some" Churches DO provide a Church APPROVED LIST, of Particular Bible Versions THE Church WILL Accept as VALID Scriptures, and ENCOURAGE its members to USE.

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No, you are not persecuted. Your church is being criticised. And no-one, certainly not me, is claiming there aren't genuine Christians in your church. But that is despite the church, not because of it.
Oh, I see how it works...YOU get to decide if I am being persecuted???? Would you like to make other decisions for me?

How can their be a “genuine Christian” in a Catholic Church if they adhere to a false teaching?

Your theory makes no sense....
 
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