Did God create Adam AFTER the first week of Creation?

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If so, would that mean He started humans without souls in the first week?

God created man on the sixth day ..but does that have to mean Adam? Could Adam be the first man with a soul and placed in the safe-zone Garden? That would mean when Adam and Eve fell they had other humans (without souls) to procreate with. The other animal humans were already fallen when satan brought his corruption to Earth.
  • Roman's 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
Is the above saying there were other humans besides Adam and Eve?

  • And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Adam and Eve didn't multiply until after the fall ..so was this about the soulless humans?

Did the following happen after the first week of Creation?
  • And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
  • 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Did God create Adam with fallen Earth? Is it similar in that Jesus was "made Him to be sin"? Adam was made of fallen Earth, but it didn't give him the knowledge of the Tree because he was innocent.
  • Genesis 3:19 (King James Version): In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

When satan fell, did he take the Earth down with him? Did God then decide to start humans that had souls this time?

How does a good God give a morality test to humans unless they are able to sin?
God swapped the problem of satan into a solution to find worthy souls for infinity.
It doesn't matter if God knew Adam and Eve would eventually fall because we are given a way to be saved. We became about ourselves here, we got the ability to sin ..separated from God. This morality test is about picking Jesus or the sins that are possible here. The test only matters because of what Jesus did.

God doesn't create evil, but is there a rule that says He can't create something out of fallen Earth if the finished object ends up innocent?
Was the rest of the Garden made of fallen Earth, but in God's good grace? Was the Garden a weird mix of physical and physics that didn't have decay, death, and entropy?

Did satan highjack wave collapse causing corrupted physical history for soulless humans that were already here? Was evolution put in place? Would that mean evolution can't be used as an excuse anymore?
 

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Addressing the OP, nope, lets have a reset, Adam the first man was created on Day #3. so that should put a crimper in this theory.

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Addressing the OP, nope, lets have a reset, Adam the first man was created on Day #3. so that should put a crimper in this theory.

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Where does the Bible say that?
 

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Did God start Adam and Eve because satan corrupted the preexisting humans from Creation?
 

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Maybe ask one question at a time?
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45
Seems pretty plain to me.. Adam was the first man.
 
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The first man Adam ..with a soul.

Why does it say "the last Adam"?
1 Corinthians 15
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
 

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Where does the Bible say that?
right here, in the bible in Chapter #2. To fully understand God creation in chapter 1, one must have the detail account of that creation which Chapter 2 provides us with. And this detailed account makes some startling revelation about God and man. this detail account of chapter 2 fill in the missing gaps of understanding as to what God actually did on day 3 with the forming of man. NOTICE: I said, “MAN”, not male or female, or MANKIND, but MAN, the individual person, and not the species, mankind. this is very important.

As stated, Man, was “formed”, not created, but “formed” on day 3. open your bible to Genesis 1:9-13 and read the 3rd day creation. next read in your bible, Genesis chapter 2:4-7. verses 5-7 tells us what God did in detail on day 3, which correspond with Genesis 1:9-13. here is the revelation. according to Genesis chapter 1 on day 3 verse 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". but according to Chapter 2, BEFORE the grass grew, and BEFORE any herb grew, BEFORE any trees came forth, listen, 5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God, had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". remember this is DAY 3, read that verse 5 again and notice the word BEFORE. next verse, 6 “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". now going back to chapter 1, to verse 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good". STOP, LOOK and LISTEN, if the Earth brought fort grass herbs and trees on day 3, according to chapter 2 verse 5 this same bible said that "BEFORE" the grass grew, and "BEFORE" plant was even in the EARTH, there was no "RAIN", and no "MAN". read that 5th verse again, and watch the association of Rain, and man. now the next verse, 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". verse 6 just told us that now there was rain, in the form of mist, now a man is formed, which is BEFORE any grass grew, and before any plants, and BEFORE any trees. and remember this is day 3. Let’s go back to verse 5 of chapter 2 again, "And every plant of the field "before" it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and here was not a man to till the ground". before any grass GREW, and before any Plants, and Trees, now the ground was watered, (by a mist), and the man formed. because chapter 1verse 12 said that the EARTH brought forth grass, and trees on Day 3. and chapter 2 said before the grass grew, before the herbs and trees, there was rain in the form of mist, and the man formed. there is the proof of man and rain/dew before day 3 ended.

so chapter 2 confirm before the grass, herbs, and plants came forth, God "Formed", not CREATED, or make man, but "FORMED" man from the dust of the EARTH, and this was on Day three. also I more evidence of this.

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1 Corinthians 15
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

Um, you are showing me there was a second man. One with a soul.
 

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right here, in the bible in Chapter #2. To fully understand God creation in chapter 1, one must have the detail account of that creation which Chapter 2 provides us with. And this detailed account makes some startling revelation about God and man. this detail account of chapter 2 fill in the missing gaps of understanding as to what God actually did on day 3 with the forming of man. NOTICE: I said, “MAN”, not male or female, or MANKIND, but MAN, the individual person, and not the species, mankind. this is very important.

As stated, Man, was “formed”, not created, but “formed” on day 3. open your bible to Genesis 1:9-13 and read the 3rd day creation. next read in your bible, Genesis chapter 2:4-7. verses 5-7 tells us what God did in detail on day 3, which correspond with Genesis 1:9-13. here is the revelation. according to Genesis chapter 1 on day 3 verse 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". but according to Chapter 2, BEFORE the grass grew, and BEFORE any herb grew, BEFORE any trees came forth, listen, 5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God, had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". remember this is DAY 3, read that verse 5 again and notice the word BEFORE. next verse, 6 “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". now going back to chapter 1, to verse 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good". STOP, LOOK and LISTEN, if the Earth brought fort grass herbs and trees on day 3, according to chapter 2 verse 5 this same bible said that "BEFORE" the grass grew, and "BEFORE" plant was even in the EARTH, there was no "RAIN", and no "MAN". read that 5th verse again, and watch the association of Rain, and man. now the next verse, 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". verse 6 just told us that now there was rain, in the form of mist, now a man is formed, which is BEFORE any grass grew, and before any plants, and BEFORE any trees. and remember this is day 3. Let’s go back to verse 5 of chapter 2 again, "And every plant of the field "before" it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and here was not a man to till the ground". before any grass GREW, and before any Plants, and Trees, now the ground was watered, (by a mist), and the man formed. because chapter 1verse 12 said that the EARTH brought forth grass, and trees on Day 3. and chapter 2 said before the grass grew, before the herbs and trees, there was rain in the form of mist, and the man formed. there is the proof of man and rain/dew before day 3 ended.

so chapter 2 confirm before the grass, herbs, and plants came forth, God "Formed", not CREATED, or make man, but "FORMED" man from the dust of the EARTH, and this was on Day three. also I more evidence of this.

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It is weird that is says "his":
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind:

And yes, thank you for pointing out "formed" ..that means God is free to form Adam from fallen Earth.
 

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Does it say that somewhere?
Yep it does.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
 

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1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."
and the Last Adam have a soul, because God have a soul.

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right here, in the bible in Chapter #2. To fully understand God creation in chapter 1, one must have the detail account of that creation which Chapter 2 provides us with. And this detailed account makes some startling revelation about God and man. this detail account of chapter 2 fill in the missing gaps of understanding as to what God actually did on day 3 with the forming of man. NOTICE: I said, “MAN”, not male or female, or MANKIND, but MAN, the individual person, and not the species, mankind. this is very important.

As stated, Man, was “formed”, not created, but “formed” on day 3. open your bible to Genesis 1:9-13 and read the 3rd day creation. next read in your bible, Genesis chapter 2:4-7. verses 5-7 tells us what God did in detail on day 3, which correspond with Genesis 1:9-13. here is the revelation. according to Genesis chapter 1 on day 3 verse 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". but according to Chapter 2, BEFORE the grass grew, and BEFORE any herb grew, BEFORE any trees came forth, listen, 5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God, had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". remember this is DAY 3, read that verse 5 again and notice the word BEFORE. next verse, 6 “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". now going back to chapter 1, to verse 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good". STOP, LOOK and LISTEN, if the Earth brought fort grass herbs and trees on day 3, according to chapter 2 verse 5 this same bible said that "BEFORE" the grass grew, and "BEFORE" plant was even in the EARTH, there was no "RAIN", and no "MAN". read that 5th verse again, and watch the association of Rain, and man. now the next verse, 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". verse 6 just told us that now there was rain, in the form of mist, now a man is formed, which is BEFORE any grass grew, and before any plants, and BEFORE any trees. and remember this is day 3. Let’s go back to verse 5 of chapter 2 again, "And every plant of the field "before" it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and here was not a man to till the ground". before any grass GREW, and before any Plants, and Trees, now the ground was watered, (by a mist), and the man formed. because chapter 1verse 12 said that the EARTH brought forth grass, and trees on Day 3. and chapter 2 said before the grass grew, before the herbs and trees, there was rain in the form of mist, and the man formed. there is the proof of man and rain/dew before day 3 ended.

so chapter 2 confirm before the grass, herbs, and plants came forth, God "Formed", not CREATED, or make man, but "FORMED" man from the dust of the EARTH, and this was on Day three. also I more evidence of this.

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First of all, Genesis 1:9-13 does not correspond to Genesis 2:4-7.

If it corresponds to anything, it corresponds to Genesis 2: 8-9.

The weird thing is that in Genesis 1, the plants are created in the 3rd day, and man is created in the 6th day. But in Genesis 2, man is seemingly formed before there was plants on the earth. Interesting, man is formed in Genesis 2:4-7 and then plants in Genesis 2:8-9.

Can you explain this difference in order between Genesis 1 and 2?
 

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  • “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Does that semicolon mean it is now talking about a different Adam?
Can a living being ..live without a soul?

  • The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

The natural man came first that wasn't spiritual.
The second man was of heaven because God formed him with a soul?

  • 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

Could this be saying the animal humans got a soul from the heavenly man?
 
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