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Philip James

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Well I don't recognize the council of Nicea, but I do recognize the authority of the true Church that has Jesus as it foundation and head and that has YHWH God Holy Spirit.

Hi Barney,

Interesting... Where was this Church at the Council if Nicea? Can you trace its origins back to the apostles? Id be curious to see the evidence..

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But... not ONE of the versions I quoted above agrees with you. Not .... one. None of them. Zero. At ALL. So.... you're saying that your Bible is the only one that gets it right because it purposely leaves out a portion of Scripture that is included in near EVERY other translation??

What I understand about all those translations you speak about is that each and everyone of them tells you in the very first part of John 1:1 they all say, the Word was with God.That part of scripture is showing us very clearly that the Word isn't God, the last part of John 1:1 doesn't contradict that fact. Those translations that translates the last part of John 1:1 as, the Word was God, are contradicting the first part of John 1:1. God inspired John to write John 1:1 and God doesn't contradict himself so when he inspired John to write the first part of John 1:1 as, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, that's an accurate statement, God can inspired men to write his thoughts down accurately, so God doesn't inspire men to write down something that contradicts something he just said. Translaters who's translations translate the last part of John 1:1 as the Word was God are who contradict the first half of John 1:1.
Its not scripture that contradicts Scripture but translaters. The Word is, the Only Begotten Son of God, it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh/human and came to mankind as a ransom sacrifice to save mankind. You will not convince me to deny that truth.Those who are true Christians have faith that Jesus Christ is God's specifically Anointed One and only-begotten Son, the promised seed who sacrificed his human life as a ransom, was resurrected and exalted to the right hand of YHWH God, and received authority from YHWH God to subdue his enemies and vindicate YHWH God Sovereignty.(Matthew 20:28; Luke 24:46; John 3:16; Galatians 3:16; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 10: 12,13)
True Christians view the scriptures are inspired of God , are absolute truth, beneficial for teaching and discipline mankind.(John 17:17; 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21).
So when Scriptures such as John 1:1; John 17:3 and John 20:17 to name a few, what God inspired men to write down is what I believe, not a imperfect man's/men interpretation for a scripture that contradicts that scripture and the rest of the Bible.
 

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do you recognize the council of Jerusalem?

No as I said, I recognize the true Church that has Jesus Christ as it's foundation and head, which has YHWH God Holy Spirit. This is the anointed church/congregation and are Jesus Christ anointed brothers, the elect, those that are born again who have the heavenly calling those who will be kings, priests, and judges with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic Kingdom and will over the earth.
 

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Hi Barney,

Interesting... Where was this Church at the Council if Nicea? Can you trace its origins back to the apostles? Id be curious to see the evidence..


Peace be with you!
The true church wasn't at the council of Nicea. The christian Bible including the new testament has no trinitarian statements or speculations concerning a trinitarian diety. In fact the doctrine of the trinity isn't a product of the earliest Christian period, and none is found until sometime after the second century. The Catholic Church in order to articulate the dogma of the trinity, had to develop her own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origins. The true church would have nothing to do with notions originating from the philosophy of men.
 

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GOT EM!!!! The council of Jerusalem is mentioned in the book of ACTS 15. Peter and james were there. Clearly you JWs are just more heretics to not recognize its importance.

I thought you were referring to today not 1900 years ago. And if anyone agrees with the council of Jerusalem of that time, a person wouldn't believe Jesus to be God. So if you believe Jesus to be God you're not recognizing the council of Jerusalem of that time.
 

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What I understand about all those translations you speak about is that each and everyone of them tells you in the very first part of John 1:1 they all say, the Word was with God.That part of scripture is showing us very clearly that the Word isn't God, the last part of John 1:1 doesn't contradict that fact. Those translations that translates the last part of John 1:1 as, the Word was God, are contradicting the first part of John 1:1. God inspired John to write John 1:1 and God doesn't contradict himself so when he inspired John to write the first part of John 1:1 as, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, that's an accurate statement, God can inspired men to write his thoughts down accurately, so God doesn't inspire men to write down something that contradicts something he just said. Translaters who's translations translate the last part of John 1:1 as the Word was God are who contradict the first half of John 1:1.
Its not scripture that contradicts Scripture but translaters. The Word is, the Only Begotten Son of God, it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh/human and came to mankind as a ransom sacrifice to save mankind. You will not convince me to deny that truth.Those who are true Christians have faith that Jesus Christ is God's specifically Anointed One and only-begotten Son, the promised seed who sacrificed his human life as a ransom, was resurrected and exalted to the right hand of YHWH God, and received authority from YHWH God to subdue his enemies and vindicate YHWH God Sovereignty.(Matthew 20:28; Luke 24:46; John 3:16; Galatians 3:16; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 10: 12,13)
True Christians view the scriptures are inspired of God , are absolute truth, beneficial for teaching and discipline mankind.(John 17:17; 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21).
So when Scriptures such as John 1:1; John 17:3 and John 20:17 to name a few, what God inspired men to write down is what I believe, not a imperfect man's/men interpretation for a scripture that contradicts that scripture and the rest of the Bible.

The Word was with God.... AND the Word WAS God. with God.... and WAS God. That is what is says. There are many things in the Scriptures that seem impossible. That does not make it not true. Was with God.... AND WAS GOD. [[one more time for good measure]]
 

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The Word was with God.... AND the Word WAS God. with God.... and WAS God. That is what is says. There are many things in the Scriptures that seem impossible. That does not make it not true. Was with God.... AND WAS GOD. [[one more time for good measure]]

I guess you think God contradicts himself. When God inspired John to write down the first part of John 1:1- in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, that's the truth, it doesn't matter how much anyone disbelieve it. So the last part of John 1:1 doesn't contradict the first part. This scripture doesn't say Jesus is God and John tells us in his gospel that everything he wrote which includes John 1:1 he wrote to teach or convince people that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God.
 

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I guess you think God contradicts himself. When God inspired John to write down the first part of John 1:1- in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, that's the truth, it doesn't matter how much anyone disbelieve it. So the last part of John 1:1 doesn't contradict the first part. This scripture doesn't say Jesus is God and John tells us in his gospel that everything he wrote which includes John 1:1 he wrote to teach or convince people that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God.

the amount of mental gymnastics needed to understand this is beyond Einstein’s intellect.

ok, real slow again,
1. The Word was with God.
2. The Word was God.
Now, here it is,
3. John 1:14 says “the Word became Flesh and made His dwelling among us.”

wow! Lets see. Jesus came to earth in the flesh, meaning He left Heaven, and lived among us as 100% man, yet 100% God. I have NO idea how anyone can deny the doctrine of the Trinity.
 
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*looks over the Westminster Confessions and catechisms*
nope, all seems legit. :cool:

There are many like you, who simply cannot grasp the God of the Bible.

It is very simple. The Father is YHWH. Jesus Christ is YHWH. The Holy Spirit is YHWH. Three distinct (not separate) Persons, Who are coequal, in One Godhead, or "Divine Nature".

This means that neither Person in the Eternal Godhead, as God, can ever be "primary", or "secondary". These is no "hierarchy", in the Godhead.

The only time that Jesus Christ is "begotten" in the Bible, is when we read in Matthew 1:20, "But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived (γεννηθὲν) in her is from the Holy Spirit". And, Luke 1:35, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born (γεννώμενον) of thee shall be called the Son of God"

The Nicene Creed, for example, is WRONG when it includes, "τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων" (begotten out of the Father before all ages), as if the Father, in eternity past, "engendered" Jesus Christ! This would make the Father a superior GOD, and Jesus Christ, as the Jehovah's Witnesses read in John 1:1, "and the Word was god". Or, as the Liberal New Testament by Moffatt, "and the Word was divine". Jesus Christ becomes a secondary god. He cannot be Yahwah!

The perversion of this "creed", to its quoting of Scripture, is clear on the Holy Spirit, where we read:

"τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς ἐκπορευόμενον", that is, "who out of the Father proceeds"

They use the Bible to "justify" this, from John 15:26. However, when Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit, He very clearly says, "παρὰ τοῦ πατρός" (literally, from besides the Father), and "ὃ παρὰ τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκπορεύεται" (who from besides the Father comes). There is NO Biblical justification to the use of the Greek preposition, "ἐκ", and to say that John says this, is DECEPTION!
 

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It is very simple. The Father is YHWH. Jesus Christ is YHWH. The Holy Spirit is YHWH. Three distinct (not separate) Persons, Who are coequal, in One Godhead, or "Divine Nature".

This means that neither Person in the Eternal Godhead, as God, can ever be "primary", or "secondary". These is no "hierarchy", in the Godhead.

The Nicene Creed, for example, is WRONG when it includes, "τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων" (begotten out of the Father before all ages), as if the Father, in eternity past, "engendered" Jesus Christ!

They use the Bible to "justify" this, from John 15:26. However, when Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit, He very clearly says, "παρὰ τοῦ πατρός" (literally, from besides the Father), and "ὃ παρὰ τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκπορεύεται" (who from besides the Father comes). There is NO Biblical justification to the use of the Greek preposition, "ἐκ", and to say that John says this, is DECEPTION!

ok so first, you’re gonna have to explain to me how distinct is different than separate.

Second, no one is saying there is an hierarchy to the Trinity. The WCF states co-equal. But there are differing roles within the Trinity.

third, no one is saying Jesus was engendered.

heres what we calvinist presbyterians say;
“In the unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost: the Father is of none, neither begotten, nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.”

Westminster Confessions chpt 2, part 3.

“Q. 6. How many persons are there in the godhead?
A. There are three persons in the Godhead; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory.”

Shorter Catechism Q6.

dont read into what isnt there.
 

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ok so first, you’re gonna have to explain to me how distinct is different than separate.

Second, no one is saying there is an hierarchy to the Trinity. The WCF states co-equal. But there are differing roles within the Trinity.

third, no one is saying Jesus was engendered.

heres what we calvinist presbyterians say;
“In the unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost: the Father is of none, neither begotten, nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.”

Westminster Confessions chpt 2, part 3.

“Q. 6. How many persons are there in the godhead?
A. There are three persons in the Godhead; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory.”

Shorter Catechism Q6.

dont read into what isnt there.

did I even mention the WCF?
 

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all is forgiven. :):):)

This is from the WCF

In the unity of the Godhead there are three persons, having one substance, power, and eternity:
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. 32 The Father exists. He is not generated
and does not come from any source. The Son is eternally generated from the Father, 33 and the
Holy Spirit eternally comes from the Father and the Son.34
32. 1 Jn 5.7, Mt 3.16-17, 28.19, 2 Cor 13.14, Eph 2.18.
33. Jn 1.14,18, 17.24, Heb 1.2-6, Col 1.15-17.
34. Jn 15.26, Gal 4.6.

The words highlighted are HERESY

If, the WCF has followed the Nicene Creed on the Holy Spirit, then they are WRONG to give as teaxtual support, John 15:26, as the Creed has changed the Greek preposition, from "παρὰ", in John 15:26, to "ἐκ", which is DISGRACEFUL!