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Did Jesus baptize with the Holy Spirit?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Shan Missions, Mar 2, 2008.

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  1. Shan Missions

    Shan Missions New Member

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    Matthew 3:11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. John 1:33 I would not have known Him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, "the man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit." John said that Jesus would baptize with Holy Spirit.But I don't see anywhere in the NT telling us that Jesus baptized any one with the Holy Spirit.Can someone tell?Thanks.
     
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    Matthew 3:11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. John 1:33 I would not have known Him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, "the man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit." John said that Jesus would baptize with Holy Spirit.But I don't see anywhere in the NT telling us that Jesus baptized any one with the Holy Spirit.Can someone tell?Thanks.
    Matthew 3:13-17 - Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.If I misunderstood...I apologize.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    Upon belief and repentance you are baptisted in the holy spiritWater is only symbolic of washing away of sin in the living waters of Jesus Christremember the thief on the cross who was told Christ would see him in heaven that very day he believed and repented and was baptised by the Holy Spirit
     
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    Upon belief and repentance you are baptisted in the holy spirit
    *sigh* Why do I forget the simpliest thing? Well I'm human after all.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    Your not stupid Jagster we call that being human
     
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    Your not stupid Jagster we call that being human
    You're right, we are flaw after all. Thanks for remindind me. (Romans 3:23) I'll go edit my previous post.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    Upon belief and repentance you are baptisted in the holy spiritWater is only symbolic of washing away of sin in the living waters of Jesus Christremember the thief on the cross who was told Christ would see him in heaven that very day he believed and repented and was baptised by the Holy Spirit
    How was the thief baptized with the Holy Spirit if Jesus did not send him until after he died?
     
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    Matthew 3:11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. John 1:33 I would not have known Him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, "the man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit." John said that Jesus would baptize with Holy Spirit.But I don't see anywhere in the NT telling us that Jesus baptized any one with the Holy Spirit.Can someone tell?Thanks.
    The only time I see Jesus Baptizing is in John 4:1-2 Where it says that Jesus Baptized his disciples. It does not say with the Holy Spirit. I thought his disciples were baptized by John. They were baptized by the Holy Spirit on the day of pentecost. This is going to get very interesting!
     
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    I dont understand your question Christ promised the thief he would see him in heaven that very day when the thief believed upon him
     
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    I guess my first question is when did the Holy Spirit come?
     
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    It doesnt say when it only proves that upon belief and repentance you are baptusted by the Holy spirit of God that water is preferable but not required as it was not the water that brought the Holy spirit on Jesus it was in the form of a dove representing it comes from above (God) not from the water below
     
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    I agree with what you said. Were the old testament saints baptized with the Holy Spirit to go to heaven?
     
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    The original question is where in the New Testament did Jesus Baptize with the Holy Spirit. John said he would, but when? I thought that was when the day of Pentecost came. Acts 1:5 tells that not many days hence they will be baptized with the Holy Ghost. How was the the thief baptized with the Holy Spirit if it did not come until Pentecost?
     
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    To believe and repent is to be baptited with the holy spirit this is the message of the New Testament. Jesus would have offered the same to all in the Old testament after his death
     
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    In Luke 13:3 Jesus said, "unless you repent, you too will all perish." and in John 3.3 He said, "... no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." So, if you have repented of your sins and asked Jesus to be your Lord, then you will know the Holy Spirit's presence in your life as He brings conviction of sin, guides you in all truth and brings glory to Jesus as stated in John 16:8-14. Hebrews 12:14 says, "without holiness no one will see the Lord." The Holy Spirit's presence enables us to walk in holiness and that walk is our absolute assurance of salvation.1 John 5:3 says, "This is love for God: to obey his commands" and 1 John 3:23 says, "And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us." As the Spirit cleanses us from sin, God's command to love Him and our neighbour becomes a reality in our life. Romans 13:10 says that, "love is the fulfillment of the law."
     
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    So all the Old testament saints were baptized with the Holy Spirit after his death. Where is this in the scriptures?
     
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    Upon belief and repentance you are baptisted in the holy spiritWater is only symbolic of washing away of sin in the living waters of Jesus Christremember the thief on the cross who was told Christ would see him in heaven that very day he believed and repented and was baptised by the Holy Spirit
    It does not say in Luke that he was baptized with the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Do you not understand that once you accept Christ as your savior and repent you are baptised with the Holy spirit there is no physical sign it is your spirit that is awakened in you. This makes you a new person wanting to walk in the way of Christ. It is like taking a breath of fresh air There is no outward sign it is an inner transformation a change in ones heart if you willChrist died for all sin past and present when you accept that you walk in Faith (belief in things you can not see)God has shown His love and says, "Repent and be baptised every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). The Holy spirit is the gift given upon belief and repentance this is not a a physical thing one can see or hear or smell its spiritual To be saved, go to God with a repentant heart, willing and wanting to be changed. Confess your sins and ask Him to forgive you and receive (ask) Jesus into your life as your Lord and Saviour. The Bible says, "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved...everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved" (Romans 10:9-10 & 13). The words you use are not important. God looks at your heart and, if He sees a heart willing to turn from sin, you will be saved the moment you ask and Jesus will become part of your life, to strengthen and guide you.
     
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    Set free I think what Kriss is saying here is that you dont always need water for baptism. Thus , the thief on the cross and the dove desending on Jesus . the dove was the holy spirit. God knows how we think, the water is a symbol. what do you do in water? You get clean. Right? If your hot you take a swim. Its refreshing and renewing. I believe that is why God choose water to represent repentance. It is also a nescesity for life- thus the living waters that flow freely from Christ. While baptism means fully emersed (baptismo) It is reguarding forgiveness of your sins. So when you repent. you fully turn from your sins. not half way , not except for , but fully turn away and then you recieve the holy spirit. Its easier for us to use the water because then we better understand. I beleive that is why Christ said baptismo. Do you kind of understand?
     
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    Upon belief and repentance you are baptisted in the holy spiritWater is only symbolic of washing away of sin in the living waters of Jesus Christremember the thief on the cross who was told Christ would see him in heaven that very day he believed and repented and was baptised by the Holy Spirit
    We need to make a distinction between two uses of the Holy Spirit. There is both the Holy Spirit IN and ON as used in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.In the OT the spirit fell upon the person. It was short term. It was for power. An example of this is when the HS came upon Saul and her prophesied or Samson when he tore down the pillars and killed the Philistines. (see Isaiah 44:3, Judges 14: 5 - 6, 17 - 21, 1 Samuel 11: 6, 10: 10, 16: 13, Numbers 11: 25, Numbers 24: 2, 2 Chronicles 20: 14 - 15, 2 Kings 6 : 17, Genesis 41: 38, Exodus 31: 3).In the NT there is a new usage. The HS came to dwell in a person. Jesus had the Spirit in him from birth (Luke 1: 35, 2: 49 - 52), but the HS fell upon him when he was baptized (Mark 1: 10). This was for power. It began his ministry (Mark 1: 12, 21, 23, 29 -30). In Luke 4: 18 - 19, Jesus says, "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."See also Matthew 12: 28 and John 5: 19. Jesus was God, but he set aside his divinity to become like us. The power that he had came from God the Father and the power was in the Holy Spirit. This is not to diminish who Jesus is but rather is a testimony to the length that he would go through to give us salvation. He was fully human and felt pain and weakness. Through him God can identify with us. He knows our weakness and our struggle. Jesus gives credit to the Father and to the Holy Spirit rather than take it for his own.Jesus promised that we would not be left as orphans. See Luke 24: 46 - 49, Acts 1: 4 - 8, The apostles received the HS in John 20: 21 - 23 when Jesus breathed it into them, but he warns them that they should not begin to minister until they have received a second blessing. The HS would fall on them for empowerment. We see this happening to Peter at Pentecost in Acts 2: 14 and we see that he becomes bold and starts to act differently afterwards. This is well after Jesus breathed the Spirit into them.Repeatedly in Acts we see the work of the HS, giving power, from it whisking Philip away, empowering Stephen, to already baptized believers receiving the baptism of the HS (Acts 8: 15 - 17, Acts 19: 1 - 7).The promise of Jesus to his disciples was radical. He said this:
    John 14: 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.​
    That is mind boggling considering what Jesus did. This is a testimony to the power of the Holy Spirit.All Christians have the Holy Spirit IN them. This is the justifying work of the Holy Spirit. However, we can ask for more. This gives us the power that we need for ministry, to carry out Jesus' work in his place according to the Great Commission. In this last case, the Holy Spirit comes ON us as needed.In the OT the Spirit fell upon select people. However, in the NT, ANYONE can have this blessing. It is there for the asking. Joel 2: 28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.John 14: 15 " If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."He continues: 25 "All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.Jesus' promises are true. We have the Holy Spirit in us. He links us to Jesus, reminding us of all he did and said. He guarantees our salvation (Ephesians 1: 14). However amazing this is, Jesus promised even more. He says that we can do whatever he did and more. He gave each of us gifts and the Holy Spirit can give us whatever power we need to persevere and further God's work in this life. Some people believe that this empowerment was just for the early church, but Jesus used the word "forever". If we choose to believe in the power of the Holy Spirit we can see miracles today.Throughout Acts the words baptism in or of the Holy Spirit are used as a distinct and separate act to water baptism and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. In some cases it preceded water baptism and in some cases it followed it.To not believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit is to not believe in the words of Jesus and to rest on his promises. It isn't necessary for everyone to actually be baptized in the Spirit. It is not a salvation issue as some churches teach. There is only one work of grace and it was sufficient to give us salvation. However, if we want to be used by God to do his work then we have at our disposal the power of the Holy Spirit. This is there for the asking. All we need to do is to step out in confidence and obedience as Peter did. Like Peter we may be afraid. I don't think that he thought, "What will happen if I open my mouth and the words fail me when he first spoke to large crowds or what will happen if the lame man was not healed in Acts 3?" I prefer to think that he just trusted in God and as always God supplied what was needed.We can do things under our own power or we can do it under God's power. That is the choice. When we do it under the power of the Holy Spirit then our work will bear fruit. When we do it on our own we will only be a shadow of what we can be with God at our side.
     
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