Did Paul Teach Torah

[manichunter]

These are some of the teaching of Paul that are not from the 10 Commandments, but recorded and listed within the teachings/laws of God in the Torah. Why do people not consider them Torah? What are they if they are not Torah? They are the judgments of God, and they still apply in spirit by the Spirit.Saul taught against fornication. This is torah, not a new law, but old.Eph 5:3 - But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; Saul taught against sexual immorality. This is torah, not a new law.1Co 5:1 -It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! Are these not teachings of torah handed to Israel from Mt. Sinai? Why is Paul reteaching them if they are no longer applicable? What has to be seen are the principles behind what Paul taught. Paul taught from the torah. He taught principles, doctrine, and lifestyle from the torah. He had no choice but to teach from it because it was all he had to teach from. This above Scripture provide clear evidence that he endorsed elements of the Torah in addition to the Ten Commandments. The breaking of the torah was manifested by the following dead works. Galatians5:19-21 19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. These are the dead works which are manifested when we act in lawlessness and live contrary to the teachings of God. These are conclusions and manifestations of what was spelled out in detail in the first covenant torah.

 

[Christina]

Christ never came to change the Law but fulfill it I don't understand your point the OT testament is as relevant today as yesterday the payment for sin has changed, the ordinances and statutes are fulfilled in Christ yes, maybe Im missing something in your postbut I dont see any problem here.

 

[harv]

(manichunter;56700)
These are some of the teaching of Paul that are not from the 10 Commandments, but recorded and listed within the teachings/laws of God in the Torah. Why do people not consider them Torah? What are they if they are not Torah? They are the judgments of God, and they still apply in spirit by the Spirit.Saul taught against fornication. This is torah, not a new law, but old.Eph 5:3 - But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; Saul taught against sexual immorality. This is torah, not a new law.1Co 5:1 -It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! Are these not teachings of torah handed to Israel from Mt. Sinai? Why is Paul reteaching them if they are no longer applicable? What has to be seen are the principles behind what Paul taught. Paul taught from the torah. He taught principles, doctrine, and lifestyle from the torah. He had no choice but to teach from it because it was all he had to teach from. This above Scripture provide clear evidence that he endorsed elements of the Torah in addition to the Ten Commandments. The breaking of the torah was manifested by the following dead works. Galatians5:19-21 19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. These are the dead works which are manifested when we act in lawlessness and live contrary to the teachings of God. These are conclusions and manifestations of what was spelled out in detail in the first covenant torah.
From the words of your introduction, you seem to be implying that the Torah is somehow not relative to the Ten Commandments, thus perhaps expressing an antinomial interpretation. However; your follow up, after your introductory statement, seems to follow after the view that the whole of the Ten commandments, without alteration, should be as applicable to life today as it was to all Israel before the First Advent of Messiah. My personal belief Follows after the Example of Jesus, Paul, and the Apostles for keeping Torah and the all the Ten Commandments; but not inclusive of the Jew's continuance of the ritual form of worship relative to the Temple with its animal sacrifices and the Annual sabbaths predetermined by dating in their the months, and by the New Moon Phases. I think perhaps you hold to the latter position. Is this a correct assumption?

 

[jtartar]

(manichunter;56700)
These are some of the teaching of Paul that are not from the 10 Commandments, but recorded and listed within the teachings/laws of God in the Torah. Why do people not consider them Torah? What are they if they are not Torah? They are the judgments of God, and they still apply in spirit by the Spirit.Saul taught against fornication. This is torah, not a new law, but old.Eph 5:3 - But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; Saul taught against sexual immorality. This is torah, not a new law.1Co 5:1 -It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! Are these not teachings of torah handed to Israel from Mt. Sinai? Why is Paul reteaching them if they are no longer applicable? What has to be seen are the principles behind what Paul taught. Paul taught from the torah. He taught principles, doctrine, and lifestyle from the torah. He had no choice but to teach from it because it was all he had to teach from. This above Scripture provide clear evidence that he endorsed elements of the Torah in addition to the Ten Commandments. The breaking of the torah was manifested by the following dead works. Galatians5:19-21 19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. These are the dead works which are manifested when we act in lawlessness and live contrary to the teachings of God. These are conclusions and manifestations of what was spelled out in detail in the first covenant torah.
Manchunter, Paul was not teaching the Torah!! Paul knew that the Mosaic Law Covenant was fulfilled during the life of Jesus and was superceded by the New Covenant that Jesus instituted on the night before his death, Luke 22:17-20, Col 2:13,14, Heb 8:6-13. The Mosaic Law Covenant was not meant to last forever. The Covenant was only to last until Jesus, the Missiah came, Gal 3:24,25. Jeremiah wrote about the time when another Covenant would take the place of the Mosaic Law Covenant, Jere 31:31-34. Jesus was born under the Law Covenant, he was required to obey the law while he was alive, Gal 4:4,5. Paul was under the Law until the death of Jesus. By the time wrote his books of the Bible he was not under the Law because it had been replaced by the NEW COVENANT, 1Cor 11:24-26, 2Cor 3:3-11. Paul said several times that he was not under the Law, 1Cor 9:20, Rom 6:14,15. After Christianity was estabolished under the New Covenant, there were several laws that were carried over to the New Covenant. These were reiterated in the Christian Greek Scriptures. If there are several different covenants, thert may be several things that are mentioned in all the covenants. This does not mean they are all part of any one of these covenants. The word covenant, actually means BETWEENNESS, which means that it is only valid between the people mentioned in the covenant. Only God and the Jews were in the Mosaic Law Covenant, with Moses being the mediator, Deut 5:1-3, Ps 147:19,20, Gal 3:19,20. The Laws for Christians are written on hearts, the Law of the Christ, 2Cor 3:3,Gal 6:2, the Golden Rule, and to love your neighbor as yourselves, because love does not work evil to his neighbor. John 13:34,35, Rom 13:8-10, Matt 22:37-40, Gal 5:14. The reason that people needed a New Covenant was: The mosaic Law Covenant condemned all under it to death, 2Cor 3:6,7, Rom 6:23. all under the Mosaic Law was under a CURSE, Gal 3:10-14.