Do not believe the LIE that fascism is a "far-right" ideology

[K9Buck]

Fascism stems from the same leftist, ideological tree that sprouted socialism and communism. There is nothing "right-wing" about fascism. In fact, fascism is and has always been a far-left ideology.

Before WW2, many western leftists admired Benito Mussolini and his fascist system of governance and economics. FDR was one of them.

After WW2, however, the left needed to distance themselves from fascism and so they redefined what it is in order to say that it's a "far-right" ideology. That is a LIE.

Fascism, socialism and communism ALL reject free-market capitalism in favor of a government-managed economy. I say that the first tenet of the right is support for free-market capitalism. Free-market capitalism is the antithesis of fascism, socialism and communism. Some have made the ridiculous claim that Trump is a "fascist". Trump is probably the biggest capitalist to EVER be president. To say that a free-market capitalist is a fascist is like saying an atheist is a Christian.

China is the modern example of a fascist state. They abandoned communism long ago because it doesn't work as well. They permitted private ownership but, make no mistake, every privately owned business in China is beholden to do the will of the Chinese government.

For instance, when the FBI asked Apple to help them decipher an iphone, Apple told the FBI to go jump in a lake. It doesn't work like that in China.

Under fascism, the party/state is one and is the "religion" of its members. You see this type of "worship" from many in the American left today. Many of them are fascists, they simply don't know it. What is obvious, however, is their total devotion to the party. Benito Mussolini would be impressed.

I can elaborate further, if anyone is interested.

 

[Brakelite]

by Girard Newkirk
The United States has historically been viewed, especially among intellectualelites in America, as the model democratic structure or the paradigm for other less democratically viable countries to emulate. Ostensibly, this assertion hassome legitimacy with regards to the founding principles of the United States. Most Americans do enjoy the luxury of going to the polls and voting for thecandidate of their choice without the worry of being gunned down or beaten. In regards to rights, the U.S. has a wealth of inalienable rights legitimized bythe architects of the Constitution which allow most Americans to enjoyunparalleled freedoms. However, upon closer social and political examinationthe myth of democracy faces formidable challenges from the opponent whichis reality.Over the last two decades, in particular during the Reagan years and the lasttwo with George W, the United States is looking less like a democracy andmore like a highly evolved fascist creature. Devoid of the idiosyncrasies andshortcomings of its progenitors, this form of Fascism has a propagandamachine that is unarguably the most efficient the world has ever seen. TheBush administration and its primary accomplice, the profit-driven corporatemedia, have successfully created an alternative reality that they sell to themajority of the American public. For example, roughly 85 percent of the worldwas opposed to the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. Yet the American propagandamachine somehow convinced 60 percent of Americans that a patheticallyweak country 7000 miles away was at any minute going to destroy the UnitedStates. Here is the fascist twist. In a normally functioning democracy it wouldseem that even speculation of a preemptive war would elicit a spectacle ofpublic debate on the implications of such a drastic shift in policy. However, inthe United States internal dissenting voices were castigated and characterizedas being unpatriotic. The French were stripped of the honorable distinction ofbeing the adjective used to describe America's favorite fast food. Hollywoodactors and actresses were blacklisted and reprimanded by studio bosses forbeing outspoken about their views on the war. This doesn't sound like themodel democracy that is so highly espoused in American political sciencejournals.Alexis de Tocqueville said, "in the United States the majority undertakes tosupply a multitude of ready-made opinions for the use of individual, who arethus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own." He came tothis conclusion after visiting the United States in the heyday of JacksonianDemocracy. This has particular relevance today during this climate of fascismthat is rapidly becoming epidemic in the United States. I am defining fascism as the convergence of military and economic power on behalf of a highlynationalist ideology which views dissenting voices as its enemies. The mostpotent aspect of the Bush administration is its ability to manipulate themasses. This war was obviously a geopolitical move for U.S. and other multi-national oil and industrial elites to increase their supply of oil to keep thoseprofit margins widening. Of course this aspect of the war only benefits amarginal percentage of the global population, but the Bush administrationdisguise their real interests under the auspices of liberating Iraq. Never mindthe U.S. single-handedly destroyed any real opportunity that Iraq had atfreedom by undermining attempts by the Iraqi democratic opposition to toppleSaddam.The impact of Bush led U.S. Fascism can be seen over the entire globe. Thegap in the distribution of wealth continues to widen and its obvious thatcombustible energy fed by (non-renewable energy sources) is going to runout. The time is now for those who are a bit more informed about the realmotives of this multi-national form of global fascism to take action anddisseminate the truth.

Obviously the above was written a while back. We've seen a lot of changes in that time... Or have we?

 

[K9Buck]

Sorry, I can't sugarcoat this, but that's a garbage article.

Many have perverted the definition of fascism to define anyone they dislike. Someone might be a big meanie, but that doesn't make them a fascist.

Much of the left loves fascism, as long as you don't call it fascism.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I am defining fascism as the convergence of military and economic power on behalf of a highlynationalist ideology which views dissenting voices as its enemies.

I would say this definition of fascism in the article is VERY narrow. I think the following is a more complete definition:

Merriam-Webster--often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
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This author only picks on Republicans, lol. I agree that Republican presidents have increased the power of the federal government through various legislation (for instance, The Patriot Act) and executive orders, but the Democrats are every bit as guilty, if not more so. To give some examples, FDR's New Deal policies moved America in the direction of socialism probably more than any other prior president. And LBJ's Great Society did the same, especially in the area of education with the passage of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA), which got the ball rolling to federalize American education.
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[K9Buck]

The first tenet of fascism is rejection of free-market capitalism.
The first tenet of the right is the practice of free-market capitalism.

Fascism entails government management of every facet of society.
The right supports limited government.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The following is an excerpt from as interesting essay written by George Orwell (author of Animal Farm):

What is Fascism?

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else. [I would add conservative Christians to this list.]​

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.​

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.

Source: George Orwell: What is Fascism?​

 

[Brakelite]

I would say this definition of fascism in the article is VERY narrow. I think the following is a more complete definition:

Merriam-Webster--often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
​

This author only picks on Republicans, lol. I agree that Republican presidents have increased the power of the federal government through various legislation (for instance, The Patriot Act) and executive orders, but the Democrats are every bit as guilty, if not more so. To give some examples, FDR's New Deal policies moved America in the direction of socialism probably more than any other prior president. And LBJ's Great Society did the same, especially in the area of education with the passage of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA), which got the ball rolling to federalize American education.
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I have no doubt you are correct. Doesn't it bother you that regardless of what party is supposedly 'in "power"', the general direction of government has gone in the same direction? And continues to do so? How much of the "swamp" has Trump drained?
Fascism, or any ideology, can and will change in order to accomplish it's goals. The end justifies the means and there's a great deal more going on in the USA now than meets the eye. Far greater than the politics and bickering between left and right now distracting the nation.
Do you recognise these fascist symbols...
Now take a look at the following....

 

[Brakelite]

 

[Brakelite]

 

[Prayer Warrior]

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Not sure where you're going with all of this, but I can guess. I'm well aware that an element of America's founding was not Christian. In fact, there were occult influences at work, which, IMO, is worse than Fascist influences, if that's what you're implying by pointing out symbols that have been used by Fascists.

 

[Gary Anderson]

Fascism stems from the same leftist, ideological tree that sprouted socialism and communism. There is nothing "right-wing" about fascism. In fact, fascism is and has always been a far-left ideology.

Before WW2, many western leftists admired Benito Mussolini and his fascist system of governance and economics. FDR was one of them.

After WW2, however, the left needed to distance themselves from fascism and so they redefined what it is in order to say that it's a "far-right" ideology. That is a LIE.

Fascism, socialism and communism ALL reject free-market capitalism in favor of a government-managed economy. I say that the first tenet of the right is support for free-market capitalism. Free-market capitalism is the antithesis of fascism, socialism and communism. Some have made the ridiculous claim that Trump is a "fascist". Trump is probably the biggest capitalist to EVER be president. To say that a free-market capitalist is a fascist is like saying an atheist is a Christian.

China is the modern example of a fascist state. They abandoned communism long ago because it doesn't work as well. They permitted private ownership but, make no mistake, every privately owned business in China is beholden to do the will of the Chinese government.

For instance, when the FBI asked Apple to help them decipher an iphone, Apple told the FBI to go jump in a lake. It doesn't work like that in China.

Under fascism, the party/state is one and is the "religion" of its members. You see this type of "worship" from many in the American left today. Many of them are fascists, they simply don't know it. What is obvious, however, is their total devotion to the party. Benito Mussolini would be impressed.

I can elaborate further, if anyone is interested.

This is incorrect. Fascism is spawned from the wealthy, communism from the poor. Therefore fascism is right wing and we learned that 60 years ago in school.

 

[Gary Anderson]

The following is an excerpt from as interesting essay written by George Orwell (author of Animal Farm):

What is Fascism?

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else. [I would add conservative Christians to this list.]​

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.​

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.

Source: George Orwell: What is Fascism?​

Fascism has an element of racism. Trump is a lifelong racist. If you can't see that you have blinders on. He is a man, on video, saying he has the right gene and German blood. Get real parrot.

 

[K9Buck]

Trump is a lifelong racist.

Yea? So why did Jesse Jackson and other prominent black folks give awards and praise to Trump for helping poor black folks?

If Trump is a racist, then why did he push for criminal justice reform and free so many black folks from prison?

If Trump is a racist, why then does he have black cabinet members and so many other blacks supporting him?

 

[K9Buck]

This is incorrect. Fascism is spawned from the wealthy, communism from the poor. Therefore fascism is right wing and we learned that 60 years ago in school.

Well, you were taught wrong.

 

[Gary Anderson]

Yea? So why did Jesse Jackson and other prominent black folks give awards and praise to Trump for helping poor black folks?

If Trump is a racist, then why did he push for criminal justice reform and free so many black folks from prison?

If Trump is a racist, why then does he have black cabinet members and so many other blacks supporting him?

Because it is all in his European Civilization superiority plan. Similar to most white supremacists these days. David Duke, etc.

 

[K9Buck]

Riiiiight.

 

[Gary Anderson]

Riiiiight.

Seriously. Racism is much more sophisticated these days. How do you think Breitbart could contain pro Israel and antiSemitic threads on the same website? How is that Bannon doing? Did he fleece you with the border wall donation? Lol.

 

[K9Buck]

Seriously. Racism is much more sophisticated these days. How do you think Breitbart could contain pro Israel and antiSemitic threads on the same website? How is that Bannon doing? Did he fleece you with the border wall donation? Lol.

Goodbye Gary. God bless you and good luck.

 

[Gary Anderson]

Goodbye Gary. God bless you and good luck.

That is what Trump cultists do. They run away. You know he is a racist but that is ok with you somehow.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Fascism has an element of racism. Trump is a lifelong racist. If you can't see that you have blinders on. He is a man, on video, saying he has the right gene and German blood. Get real parrot.

Hi, Gary, did you join the forum just to insult people on here who support our president?

Don’t worry, I have prayed for you because the judgment we dole out will be the judgment that we get.