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No, I do not believe Jesus has given me the Holy Spirit.Johnlove said:[SIZE=16pt]Do you believe Jesus has given you the Holy Spirit? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]If so why? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Yes and Peter did not tell, in that scripture just when one would receive the Holy Spirit.[/SIZE]Wormwood said:Because God promised to give his Holy Spirit to all who believe, repent and are baptized.
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."
I trust in God's promises. I do not need further "evidence" except the process of sanctification that God has been accomplishing in my life.
[SIZE=16pt]Yes it is only with the grace of God can one stop sinning. That is also the only true way one can be sure he or she is being led by the Holy Spirit.[/SIZE]Born_Again said:Okay, I'll be the one to give my story. Yes!!!!! When I turned my life over to Christ, I mean handed him the keys and gave Him the steering wheel, I could feel it! I went from being bitter, judgmental, self destructive and self absorbed to having an overwhelming feeling of love. I had never felt anything like this before. I suddenly saw everyone different. Event those who hurt me, I would love, and understand their sin. Before, I would usually set out to destroy them if they hurt me. I wanted to tell everyone about the love of Christ and how it could heal their broken hearts and bring them a joy that passes understanding!!!
So, yes. I prayed for the Holy Spirit to touch me and dwell in me and for Christ to make a home in my heart. And He did!!!
Well, if that's the case, then I am "led" by the Holy Spirit. As I still stumble from time to time..... So, my question back to you then is, If the Holy Spirit doesn't dwell in you, then how do you account for the sense of joy, enlightenment etc,.... I feel that comes from the inside out. I could be wrong here but I am interested in your responses. I might learn something.Johnlove said:[SIZE=16pt]Yes it is only with the grace of God can one stop sinning. That is also the only true way one can be sure he or she is being led by the Holy Spirit.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Yet I don’t believe one has an indwelling of the Holy Spirit until he or she is living all of God’s commandments. That does not mean one does not have the Holy Spirit guiding, and giving him or her the grace to obey God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Feelings are not reliable. I believe feelings can and often are manipulated by the devil.[/SIZE]Born_Again said:Well, if that's the case, then I am "led" by the Holy Spirit. As I still stumble from time to time..... So, my question back to you then is, If the Holy Spirit doesn't dwell in you, then how do you account for the sense of joy, enlightenment etc,.... I feel that comes from the inside out. I could be wrong here but I am interested in your responses. I might learn something.
Hey, I'm impressed that no one fell for my post.evangelist-7 said:No, I do not believe Jesus has given me the Holy Spirit.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I see that everyday. Thank you for the clarification. The self indulgence is a thing I have done in the past and currently having to watch a loved one suffer through. Thank you!Johnlove said:[SIZE=16pt]Feelings are not reliable. I believe feelings can and often are manipulated by the devil.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The only true test of the Holy Spirit is fruit produced. Notice what Paul said about having the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Yes some of the fruits produced are feelings, but self-control is the good fruit needed. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]This is what tells a person if it is God who is giving one the feelings of love, joy, peace. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Galatians 5:18-23) “But when you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. When self-indulgence is at work the results are obvious: sexual vice, impurity, and sensuality, the worship of false gods and sorcery; antagonisms and rivalry, jealousy, bad temper and quarrels, disagreements, factions and malice, drunkenness, orgies and all such things. And about these, I tell you now as I have told you in the past, that people who behave in these ways will not inherit the kingdom of God. On the other hand the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, trustfulness, gentleness and self-control; no law can touch such things as these.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]I believe infants in Christ are those who have been baptized in Jesus’ name, and have received the Holy Spirit, but still commit sin. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]But having the Holy Spirit does not mean that the Holy Spirit is dwelling in him or her.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One receiving the Holy Spirit does not all of a sudden become holy. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One has to be taught to know God, and to be given the grace to live God’s Commandments first. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people? “[/SIZE]
How does one receive the Holy Spirit, but not have him indwelling? When you receive the Holy Spirit where does he go?Johnlove said:[SIZE=16pt]Feelings are not reliable. I believe feelings can and often are manipulated by the devil.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The only true test of the Holy Spirit is fruit produced. Notice what Paul said about having the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Yes some of the fruits produced are feelings, but self-control is the good fruit needed. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]This is what tells a person if it is God who is giving one the feelings of love, joy, peace. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Galatians 5:18-23) “But when you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. When self-indulgence is at work the results are obvious: sexual vice, impurity, and sensuality, the worship of false gods and sorcery; antagonisms and rivalry, jealousy, bad temper and quarrels, disagreements, factions and malice, drunkenness, orgies and all such things. And about these, I tell you now as I have told you in the past, that people who behave in these ways will not inherit the kingdom of God. On the other hand the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, trustfulness, gentleness and self-control; no law can touch such things as these.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]I believe infants in Christ are those who have been baptized in Jesus’ name, and have received the Holy Spirit, but still commit sin. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]But having the Holy Spirit does not mean that the Holy Spirit is dwelling in him or her.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One receiving the Holy Spirit does not all of a sudden become holy. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One has to be taught to know God, and to be given the grace to live God’s Commandments first. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people? “[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The Holy Spirit is with us, not in us. God is not going to share a home with the devil. It is just an assumption to believe it is an indwelling of the Holy Spirit.[/SIZE]lforrest said:How does one receive the Holy Spirit, but not have him indwelling? When you receive the Holy Spirit where does he go?
I think rather the indwelling Holy Spirit is given at the moment of conversion. Then the Holy Spirit works within for sanctification. Yet it is possible to ignore the Holy Spirit, and not let him do his work. These are Christians that are in danger.
[SIZE=16pt]The Holy Spirit is one with God, and is God. Jesus said God would make a home in those who proved they loved him by living God’s Commandments. [/SIZE]Angelina said:The Holy Spirit dwells within the believer he is not hanging around us.
John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 17
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Romans 8
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Corinthians 3
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
Would you care to see the many verses where Paul says the Holy Spirit is inside BACs?Johnlove said:The Holy Spirit is with us, not in us. God is not going to share a home with the devil.
It is just an assumption to believe it is an indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
evangelist-7 said:Would you care to see the many verses where Paul says the Holy Spirit is inside BACs?
Not only that, but Jesus said the Holy Spirit would be with and in BACs forever (John 14:16-17).
Please do not place your unfounded personal opinions ahead of Scripture.
[SIZE=16pt]Yes you show me where anyone who still sinned had the indwelling of God.[/SIZE]evangelist-7 said:Would you care to see the many verses where Paul says the Holy Spirit is inside BACs?
Not only that, but Jesus said the Holy Spirit would be with and in BACs forever (John 14:16-17).
Please do not place your unfounded personal opinions ahead of Scripture.