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  1. Soverign Grace

    Soverign Grace Active Member

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    We've turned into a police state, we're being surveilled, losing manufacturing jobs, and the culture has just degraded quickly. It looks to me as if America is circling the drain. Do others get a sense that something is about to happen? I keep thinking that we cannot go on like this. I found a good site that explains some things:

    Who Is the Antichrist?
     
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    LoL. For starters, don't believe everything you find on the internet, Sovereign Grace. Especially on the subject of the Antichrist. That's just typical Anti-Catholic tripe that many like to spout because they know no better.

    As for America, we've actually been doing much better since Trump took office, in virtually every area you listed. I was just thinking today about how Islamic terrorism especially has been on the wane. But that won't last. My personal suspicion is that things will start going back downhill again in 2020. (I think Trump is likely going to lose).

    Blessings in Christ. And again, don't buy into everything you find on the internet. The claims on that page are riddled with holes, so many that it would take a long time to explain in full.
     
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    I don't know if the end of the USA is near, but beyond the shadow of a doubt, She is on her deathbed.
     
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    I believe that goes for every country!!

    We should be rejoicing...His light is on the horizon!!
    .."Behold the Bridegroom cometh..go ye out to meet Him!!"
    Praise the LORD.
     
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    No. Gaining manufacturing jobs would be correct. So you are looking at Leftist propaganda.
    True. You can thank the Democrats and the Left-Liberals.
    That's what the Left-Liberals would have you believe. Eric Holder is telling his cohorts "When they (opponents) go low, we will go even lower" (or something to that effect), but he has been going low for a very long time. Remember Fast and Furious?

    No, only the Leftists want you to believe that America is collapsing, because that is exactly their agenda -- the destruction of America. Believe it or not, but the mayor of Portland, Oregon is actually defending the anarchy of the Antifa thugs. Now how low is that?
     
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    No, I really do believe Agenda 21 is taking place. We're SUPPOSED to be doing better under Trump, but I read that they're lying about the unemployment numbers: they're actually much higher. Ford supposedly just announced it is sending 20,000 American jobs out of the country.

    You don't get an uneasy sense of something in your bones that is about to happen? I'm the canary in the coal mine so it figures I would feel it first - if something is going to happen.
     
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    I'm glad you see it too. I've been reading Revelations - not as much as I should, but enough. Then I read the verse describing the last days: 2 Timothy 3:1-5 .....'This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.'

    I just don't know how anyone cannot read that and look around at the contemporary scene and not see it.
     
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    It does! The UK is overrun with migrants who are destroying it, as is Germany, and the rest. I can't understand why people are tolerating it. But it is fulfilling end-time prophecy of a one-world government.

    I don't know about you but I wish I'd lived in a different era. I feel uneasy - a deep uneasiness within my spirit that something is going to happen, but it hasn't yet.
     
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    I'm well-aware of liberal propaganda - and you're correct, they're laying it on thick. I'm shocked that Sessions isn't taking action about Holder and the rest making inflammatory statements like that - there has already been attacks on two Republicans. The left hates America - so why don't they leave?

    I'm looking beyond the rhetoric of the left to the deeper issues - the trillions in debt, the hollowed out cities when manufacturing was sent out of the country, and the widespread drug problems. We went to our local airport and every single person working there was a foreigner - not one American. I was reading that a lot of foreigners faked being a doctor to get here on J-1 visas. They suspect there are around 10,000 fake "doctors" practicing in America. It just seems like everything is off-kilter. But the mass migration is Agenda 21. I want to believe Trump is legit but I have my doubts. I hope he his.
     
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    Of course something is going to happen. It is the end times. I just get confused when I hear lefts and rights. What is real, what is not. Something has to happen whether it be good or bad, because America has fallen away from God, and there are consequences for that.

    I am not trying to be callous, I have prayed hard for people concerning the natural disasters that have been plaguing the United States. But I think judgement is being exercised on the United States. Not because of Trump, but because of sin and division.

    "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
    2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV"

    Father, I pray America will turn their hearts to You once more. I pray for the nation and its leaders. I pray against the evil that comes against this nation from the heavenly realms, and I pray that everyone can come together in one accord, so that the Holy Spirit can pour out of us and stand together so that America can once again be a nation "Under God". In Jesus name, Amen.
     
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    Well, not me, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I guess time will tell. Like I said, for me I think the trouble starts in a few years.
     
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    It is even as the Lord so stated in our study of Psalm 97, “The Mountains (kingdoms) melt like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.”

    "As society heats up, the governments (fearful of the masses begin to) yield (melt) to meet the demands of the people."
     
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    Look at how Israel was judged - we should expect that the U.S., who has turned from God, should endure punishment. I just keep waiting for the baby to be born. I feel like the U.S. is pregnant with sin and debauchery and something has to give. I think we all should be in much prayer for this country because it's not a healthy place anymore. I long for the Ward and June Cleaver days and am disgusted that my family had to live through such a filthy era of our nation.

    I just keep feeling like something is going to happen - I wish God would get it over with. The U.S. has become a cesspool.
     
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    Do you mean the tribulation? I'm trying to read Revelations - it takes a lot to try to sort it out - at least for me. I've never had a good teaching on Revelations but from what I understand we're in the tribulation period now. A pastor who teaches our bible study said that we're going to be raptured before the tribulation. That doesn't make sense though because all the issues we're warned about that will happen in the end are upon us.

    Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Has anyone found any solid bible teaching on Revelations?
     
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    Oh Sovereign, you are not alone. I believe we are only seeing the culmination of greed and neglect for decades past in this country. I would say a good 90 some percent of politicians represent THEMSELVES and have not been at all representing people. Their greed has been out of control and their consciences are "seared as with a hot iron"-I see no going back a they are all rich, have the Cadillac of health insurances and if they leave office, they still get all kinds of tax payer paid perks. Money is the god of this world IMHO.
     
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    21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
    22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
    23But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. So if the light within you is darkness--how deep is that darkness!
    24"No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other.
     
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    I have always believed in the rapture theory but, now having read Matthew 24 in a different way I find that the "rapture" is supposed to take place "immediately" after those days (Trib) and that is when He comes in the clouds to gather His people so...I am not sure about the rapture anymore...it can be dangerous to teach it as absolute truth...think of the people who are waiting for the rapture and if it does not happen as they have been told, their faith will be shattered and many will possibly end up receiving the mark, thinking Jesus hasn't returned, and for the unbelievers to see a Christian shaken will most likely receive the mark also...I sure do HOPE that the rapture takes place but, I would like to be prepared if it is not going to.
    JMHO.
     
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    While I think many of you are a little (extremely) overly fixated on the demise we are creating for this particular nation as being somehow, "the end-times", I do think that if we don't get our heads out of the sand — and VERY soon — there is not much of a future left for the United States as we know it. Oh, the country will remain, and people to live in it, (many of them, you younger people posting right here) but it will no longer be a great nation. We are rushing to turn ourselves into just another Venezuela.

    The world is not ending. It is simply that other nations will take our place, and we will become a peoples oppressed and ruled by them. And it ain't just 7 short years of Hell on Earth you have to look forward to. It is going to be decades and decades of servitude and degradation.
     
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    No, no. We're not in the tribulation now. That's ridiculous. And the pastor who teaches your Bible study is mistaken as well.

    Just relax, Sovereign Grace. There is still a long ways to go yet. As for Revelations, yes, it is a lot to study. But just pray to the Lord to open the meaning of the Book to you, and He will start to help you understand it piece by piece.
     
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    LoL. If you were referring to Nancy and Sovereign Grace, they're 60 and 68 respectively. I'm sure they'll appreciate that remark. You may have just made their week, and it's only Monday. :)
     
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