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Featured Does Dan. 7 REALLY Represent The "Divided KINGDOM"?

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Bobby Jo, May 23, 2019.

  1. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    In the 1960's TV show "Romper Room" in Southern California, the Teacher always had a segment where the children had to put on their "Thinking Caps". But as they grow into adults, they no longer need their Thinking Caps. Instead, everything is filtered through their rose colored glasses, so much so, that they can no longer THINK. They simply recite whatever nonsense they've been told.

    So for those who no longer can exercise intelligent thought, please feel free to select Topics whose lies agree with the lies you've come to believe. But for any of you who still have critical thinking skills, please consider the following:

    Daniel 2 defines FIVE World Empires:
    1. Gold, Babylonian
    2. Silver, Medo/Persian
    3. Bronze, Grecian
    4. Iron, Roman
    5. Clay, "Divided KINGDOM"
    Unfortunately, the FALSE teachers and commentators provide the FIFTH "Divided KINGDOM" of Clay as though it were an extension of the Roman Empire -- because there's a residue of Iron in the Empire of Clay. So they present a 4a Roman and 4b Revived Roman LIE.

    But a first year Political Science student would easily determine that because the Roman Empire was never conquered, that the disparate kingdoms, fifedoms, communities, villages, and regions had no NEW government model to follow. So they simply kept the taxes they had been sending to Rome for themselves, and retained the Senatus Populusque Romanus, “Senate and the Roman People,” with which they were accustomed.

    And so today we recite in our Pledge of Allegiance the reference to the residue of Iron in our Roman government model: "... and to the Republic ...".

    Of course this concept should evolve into additional questions:
    • Is this FIFTH "Divided KINGDOM" the FEET, or is it the Ten TOES?
    • How many Participants are there in the FEET, (if appropriate)?
    • Who are the Participants in the FEET?
    • Who are the Participants in the TOES?
    • How do these Participants fulfill the "Beast" depictions given in Chapter 7?
    • Are there any incongruities in the depictions?
    • Does History AGREE with Scripture?
    .. among others!​

    These are pretty simple questions, with pretty simple answers, but one of the challenges is to debunk the LIES which we've been fed from the commentators. And the BEST evidence is from "Daniel, The Key To Prophetic Revelation" by John Walvoord. He wrote what is undeniably the most important work on the Book of Daniel, -- not for his conclusions --, but because he cited the greatest scholars whose insights are invaluable.

    And so we read regarding the second beast, -- the Bear:

    Pg. 156:
    " ... the best explanation is that ... "
    " ... many suggestions have been offered ... "
    " ... Probably the best is that is ... "
    " ... An alternative view ... "
    " ... Young's objection to Jerome's viewpoint is that ... "
    So if you're CONVINCED that the "Bear" is the Medo/Persian Empire, -- well you might want to withhold judgement until the "experts" themselves are convinced. -- And that's only ONE of the FOUR Beasts. But of course because the commentators defied the angel's instructions in 12:4 &9, you can rest assured that EVERY purported ancient assignment is equally flawed.


    But now that were in the "end times" (the era approximate to 1948), we can OPEN the Book of Daniel and see what he saw, -- if you're up to the TRUTH of Scripture and History! :)


    Bobby Jo​
     
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    Davy Well-Known Member

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    Daniel 2 makes it easy. The kingdom of ten toes is the kingdom that will manifest the ten horns, or ten kings for the very end of this world. It's easy to know that because Dan.2 reveals in the times of those kings, that is when the "stone" (which represents Christ) will come and smite that beast upon its feet of ten toes and the whole beast statue "together", comes tumbling down, with God's eternal Kingdom setup in its place. That can ONLY occur in the generation that will see Christ's 2nd coming, which is still future to us today.
     
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    The 10 toes are the restored Roman Empire. The AC empire. Ten Toes.gif EU.jpg
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    I think you forgot the Feet. The Feet are called the "Divided KINGDOM", which subsequently includes the Ten Toes. Per Scripture, the Feet are "Divided" between a number of nations which coexist concurrently. But I guess what should be obvious in the present geo-political environment to most school age children is obscure to most "christain" adults. And I can only guess that most "christian" adults have been brainwashed by their so called "teachers".

    Now if we could only see the world as it were, instead of how liars tell us it is, then maybe Scripture would agree with History. But that would be too obvious.


    Bobby Jo
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    To All,

    So where Daniel Chapter 2 DEMANDS a FIVE World Empire scenario, and Daniel 7 DEMANDS a FOUR concurrent kingdom era, -- given that FIVE ≠ FOUR --, we should consider that the FIFTH WORLD EMPIRE consists of Three Superpowers and the United Nations.

    Hmmmmmm, that's crazy. How can GOD know back in 500BC that some 2,000 years later we would have EXACTLY WHAT DANIEL DESCRIBED?!?

    Certainly the angel apparently knew when he wrote that the Prophecies of Daniel were to be "shut up and sealed until the time of the end" (Ref. 12:4 & 9); and it would seem that Daniel had FAITH that GOD had revealed HIS plan for the history of the world through his angel; but it's too bad that the "church" FIGHTS against GOD for what should be an OBVIOUS fulfillment of Scripture and History.


    It not new. Religious "leaders" (HIRELINGS) have resisted the Prophets, the Messiah, and the Word of GOD since the beginning. They may have changed their names, their titles, and their organizations, but they still have their own self serving purpose. And it ain't the TRUTH.


    Bobby Jo
     
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    You make it so appealing, I think I'll pass.

    ;)
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    Have you consider taking refresher classes in you local elementary school? Perhaps they can help you learn to count to 10. :)


    Your picture shows 28. Doh!
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    Good call. It takes person with sufficient self realization to follow his limitations when GOD call us to stand up and step forward, to turn his back.

    I'm quite confident that his "talents" will be greatly appreciated by those who gain what he declined.


    Bobby Jo
     
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    The Bible says the Empire would break down into 10 nations. It did.

    It did not say it would not continue breakdown, which it has.

    The 10 areas overlaid on the EU match.
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps neither math, nor geography; nor Scripture; nor History; nor reality; are your strengths. Perhaps your skill sets are better suited for fiction/fantasy/illusion/mis-information/dis-information/etc.


    Bobby Jo


    To All,

    It seems that "CI" either can't count, can't see, or can't understand. The Scriptures DEMAND an era of concurrent world kingdoms (three, and a fourth "dreadful") which are combined with SEVEN OTHERS for a TEN NATION alliance under this "dreadful" beast. And what "CI" has offered is more than TEN. So until one arrives at a scenario where TEN are identified, all you have is IMAGINATION/FICTION/MIS-INFORMATION/DIS-INFORMATION/Etc. :)


    Believe what your EYES tell you, not what the deceivers would convince you of,
    Bobby Jo
     
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    You do not listen do you?
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    You can't count, can you?

    TEN. TEN Toes/TEN Horns/TEN Nations. TEN.
    Bobby Jo
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    At what historical time was it 10?
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    TEN. Please identify TEN.

    Bobby Jo


    To All,

    When a deceiver argues, one of the tactics is to divert the convert the conversation. Who said it? When did they say it? Where was it said? Etc.

    They ain't gonna answer the question at hand, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T. The destroyer (satan) comes to steal, kill, and destroy, and that includes your confidence (FAITH) in GOD, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and Scripture. And if you believe the lies, then you have become as Eve, -- deceived.


    Bobby Jo
     
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    I repeat, 10 at what time in history is being referenced?
     
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    10.jpg

    Moving further back in history, here are your 10.
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    To All,
    So back to the subject:

    Is there ANYONE who can't identify the world's THREE SUPERPOWERS?

    1. Could one of them have started off from the foundation of a LION, and then separated itself to become identified as an EAGLE?

    2. Could another have been identified as a BEAR?

    3. And given that in Daniel's time that there was no trade route to the east where vertically marked TIGERS could have been brought westward to be exhibited, but circularly marked LEOPARDS were commonly brought up from Africa for exhibit? So when Daniel saw a vertically marked "cat" (TIGER), his only point of reference was a circularly marked "cat" (LEOPARD)?

    And if a person were aware of National Identities, would anyone know that the Chinese perceive the DRAGON as the symbol of Governmentl Leadership; and the TIGER as the symbol of their ARMY? -- Think for a moment how the 1940 American Volunteer Group flying P40 Tomahawk fighter aircraft for China was known as the "Flying Tigers".


    It's not a coincidence.
    Bobby Jo
     
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    I posted the map you wanted. Now you're trying this old worn out claim.
     
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    Daniel 7: 4 The first was like a lion and had eagles’ wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand upon two feet like a man; and the mind of a man was given to it.

    If one were to dissect the clues in the text, there are only a few aspects which need to be considered, given we start with an end-time fulfillment as directed by the angel in Daniel 12:4 & 9:

    1. Is England a "Lion"?
    2. Did England colonize the east coast of the New World?
    3. Did these east coast colonies revolt against England to form the United States "Eagle"?
    4. Was England a "god-nation" in which the sun never set?

    At one time, this nations colonies spanned the regions of North America (Dominion of Canada, the seven island areas in the Caribbean regions); South America, (British Guiana, Falkland Islands, British Antarctic Territory); Africa,(Gambia, Sierra Leone, Gold Coast, Nigeria, Ascension Island, St. Helen Island, Union of South Africa, Basutoland, Swaziland, Bechuanaland, Rhodesia, Nyasaland, British East Africa, British Somaliland, Egypt, Anglo Egyptian Sudan, Uganda); Asia Minor, (Arden, Kuwait, India, Burma); the Indian Ocean Islands, (Andaman Islands, British Indian Ocean Territory, Mauritius, Maldives, Nicobar Islands, Cocos Islands); Asia, (Malaya, Sarawak, Hong Kong); South Pacific, (Commonwealth of Australia, Tasmania, New Zealand, New Hebrides, Solomon Islands, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Pitcairn Islands); and Gibraltar, at the mouth of the Mediterranean.
    5. Was England stripped of virtually all of it's foreign possessions and did England become a "mere-mortal" of a nation?

    Today this vast extension of English authority is relegated to less than a dozen nearly insignificant island groups. Even the last stronghold, Hong Kong, has been turned over to China.[1]

    [1] Simon Winchester, The Sun Never Sets, Prentice Hall Press, NY, 1985, (inside cover)



    Hmmmmmmm, it seems that Scripture and History agrees so far!

    Bobby Jo
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    To All,

    And of course the Daniel 7 "Bear" should be obvious any school age child, but again the "church" is confused. They haven't addressed the Daniel 2:45 sequence of 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE and that the FIFTH "divided KINGDOM" of FEET, along with subsequent Ten TOES are a mystery. Thus they pre-suppose that Daniel 7 is a REPEAT of Daniel 2.

    So, under the guidance of Deuteronomy 18:22, we can rest assured that we presently live in a "Divided KINGDOM", now evidenced by the BEAR with Three Ribs in his teeth, and is told to arise and devour much flesh. But where Russia is the BEAR, who are the "Three Ribs"?

    Once again, still under Deuteronomy 18:22, we find that Russia has had only THREE Internationally recognized Illegal Conquests. They are: Hungary, 1956; the Berlin Wall (a violation of the Yalta Accord), 1961; and Czechoslovakia, 1968. All other "conquests" and "adventures" may have been accomplished under duress, but Russia was "invited" into those various States.

    And where the BEAR is called to "arise and devour much flesh", it must first drop the Three Ribs before doing so, which occurred in the late 1980's. So now this BEAR CAN "arise and devour much flesh" when it attacks Israel according to Ezekiel 38 & 39, and Daniel 11:40-44, -- which I expect to happen this summer (as I best understand Bible Prophecy).



    It's so obvious a child could understand, but the scoffers are blinded by their own FALSE doctrines,
    Bobby Jo
     
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