Eat my flesh, drink my blood, discerning the body and blood of Christ.

[Grailhunter]

All this constitutes one of the greatest mysteries in the New Testament. Since that time people have been trying to figure out…
1. What is the purpose or the Bread and Wine Ritual?
2. Does the Bread and Wine Ritual affect salvation?
3. Is the Bread and Wine Ritual important?
4. Is the Bread and Wine Ritual optional?
5. Is the affect on the bread and wine physical or spiritual or nothing at all?
6. How does it affect those that participate in Bread and Wine Ritual?
7. What happens if you choose not to participate in the Bread and Wine Ritual?
8. How often should the Bread and Wine Ritual be performed?
9. Does the Catholic Host accurately represent the bread and wine?
10. Was the wine watered down or grape juice?

After centuries of discussions I can tell you that not all of these questions can be answered, and some answers open up more questions.
We will first start at the source….the words of Christ. Can we find in the scriptures above were the Bread and Wine Ritual is an option….not to do? NO.

Can we find in the scriptures above were the Bread and Wine Ritual is not important? NO.

Can we find in the scriptures above were Christ said the Bread and Wine Ritual was symbolic? NO.

Can we find in the scriptures above were going to Heaven is contingent on performing the Bread and Wine Ritual? YES.
Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
Does this mean you cannot go to Heaven unless you perform the Bread and Wine Ritual? Well can you go to Heaven if you are not raised on the last day and do not have eternal life? And what does it mean not to be raised on the last day?

The spiritual relationship with Christ; Can we be “in Christ” through the performance of the Bread and Wine Ritual? YES.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

Is the bread and wine in the Ritual actually His body and blood? YES. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Then at the Last Supper....
Take, eat; this IS My body.” And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this IS My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Now Christ could have said, this is like My body or like my blood or He could have said, this is symbolic of My body or of My blood. But He said “is” which is an exactness. The bread and wine is His body and blood.

And there is the rub….there are some today that find the blood side of Christianity grotesque and offensive. They are not alone. The Apostles and disciples also found it grotesque and offensive…. On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” Why did they react that way? Eating human flesh and drinking human blood was extremely sacrilegious to the Jews and would seem very Pagan. And in fact He lost many in His ministry because of it. From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. So they believed that Christ was serious about eating His body and drinking His blood. Take note that when Christ said “Truly” it was never about symbology or allegory, it meant….”this is a fact.” Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Now Christ knew that this was going to be an issue with His followers. But Christ did not back down. It had to happen for His followers to have eternal life. And it did happen at the Last Supper.

So it was not just an idea or metaphor because He explained it and then performed it. So everything that Christ said about eating His body and drinking His blood was extremely important. And those early Christians that met in private homes to hold services planned the services around a meal where the Bread and Wine Ritual was performed.

But still how does the bread and wine become His body and blood and how does baptism wash away sins and how does believing in Christ save us? These are questions that people have been pondering for centuries.

As far as the bread and wine changing into the body and blood of Christ….some call it transubstantiation and some call it consubstantiation. But I think both are inaccurate because it was an attempt to explain it within physical parameters. When actually what going on is occurring in both the physical and spiritual worlds. The substances of the bread and wine coexisting in the physical and spiritual worlds. But still the comprehendible and the incomprehensible of all that is the process of salvation as in what goes on in parallel between the physical and spiritual worlds. It is just one of the reasons why it is just best to do what Christ and the Apostles said to do instead of second guessing what we are told to do and reasoning out what is necessary and what is not because we are not going to know or be able to comprehend all that is going on. We have to have faith that there is a reason why we are told to do these things.

Things that we are not going to understand, like why Yeshua had to die and why blood means so much to God the Father? Why couldn’t Yeshua just come down and explain the process of salvation and ascend back to the Father? Why was all the blood and suffering and dieing necessary? Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man’s brother I will require the life of man. The very concept of blood sacrifices for atonement. The Jewish priests were burning animal organs and fat on the altars in the Temple and throwing blood on the horns of the altars.

The blood concepts of Christianity are something that all Christians need to understand and embrace. What does the blood of Christ do for us?....The blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin…. we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace….we have now been justified by his blood…. And through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross…. to sanctify the people through his own blood…. For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins…. And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith….Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant…. According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you….They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Website....
What Does the Bible Say About Blood Of Jesus?

The Bread and Wine Ritual is a reality that if not performed correctly can cause harm….
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 1st Corinthians 11:27-30

On the question of the Catholic Host?
The Bread and Wine Ritual should be performed as demonstrated in the scriptures. But we can do that on occasion but I have no problems with the Catholic mass communion with the Host.

 

[Marymog]

The saints are the ones who are born again of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the One who comes in the name of the Lord, and writes upon the saints The Lords new name.

“19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

Christ is in us by the Holy Spirit

Interesting....Are you one of those "saints"?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Interesting....Are you one of those "saints"?

Yes

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All this constitutes one of the greatest mysteries in the New Testament. Since that time people have been trying to figure out…
1. What is the purpose or the Bread and Wine Ritual?
2. Does the Bread and Wine Ritual affect salvation?
3. Is the Bread and Wine Ritual important?
4. Is the Bread and Wine Ritual optional?
5. Is the affect on the bread and wine physical or spiritual or nothing at all?
6. How does it affect those that participate in Bread and Wine Ritual?
7. What happens if you choose not to participate in the Bread and Wine Ritual?
8. How often should the Bread and Wine Ritual be performed?
9. Does the Catholic Host accurately represent the bread and wine?
10. Was the wine watered down or grape juice?

After centuries of discussions I can tell you that not all of these questions can be answered, and some answers open up more questions.

Actually it is simple. and the question has been answered.

In John 6. Jesus said whoever ate this food that endures forever (to everlasting life), this bread from heaven, this flesh and blood will receive the following

1. They will never die - vs 50
2. They will live forever - vs 51, 58
3. They have eternal life - Vs 40, 47, 54
4. They will never hunger - Vs 35
5. They will never thirst - Vs 35
6. They will never be lost - Vs 39
7. They will never be cast out- Vs 37
8. They will be raised on the last day - Vs 40, 54

At the last supper. Jesus also used the words flesh and blood. only there is a HUGE difference.

whoever eats that flesh and drinks that blood is not told they will receive any of the promises spoken of in John 6,

Also, Unlike in John 6, where jesus said do not work for food which perishes (you have eat over and over and over) but for food which endures to eternal life (you only have to eat it once) At the last supper. Jesus said do this OFTEN (over and over) and he told us why. In remembrance of me.

when people try to make these two events one and the same, then you have an issue..

Not only do you have Jesus not knowing what he talked about. but you have him contradicting himself

 

[Marymog]

Yes

Wow......I am a good person. I was "born again of the Holy Spirit". Is it possible that I am one of those saints also? Or is there other criteria that must be meet?

Mary

 

[Webers_Home]

.
If perchance someone out there is unfamiliar with transubstantiation, it
would help you considerably to look it up before continuing; especially
because this method of partaking of the Lord's Supper is extremely
important to something like +/- 1,400,000,000 people, i.e. 1.4 Billion
devotees, which accounts for roughly 58% of the world's 2.4 Billion people
currently identifying as Christians; so I should think we can all agree that
this is not a trivial matter.

Now the thing is: when Jesus' flesh and blood are correctly consumed, the
benefit obtained is eternal life; which is a quality of life not of this world.

● John 6:54 . . He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life.

Eternal life is far and away superior to natural life because it's the life of
God, i.e. it always was, it always is, and it always shall be because eternal
life is both perpetual and indestructible, viz: eternal life never gets old, it
never wears out, it never wears off, nor does it ever need replenishing
because it can't be used up with any more ease than God can be used up.
(1John 1:2-3)

That being the case with eternal life, then it's only necessary to obtain it one
time and one time only. In other words: when people are consuming Jesus'
flesh and blood over and over again in order to obtain eternal life; they are
over-doing it; sort of like a batter waiting at home plate for the next pitch
when he just hit the last one out of the park.

* The grammatical tense of John 6:54 is present tense rather than future;
indicating that when people correctly consume Jesus' flesh and blood, they
obtain eternal life immediately: there's no delay and no waiting period.

Eternal life is a very core element of New Testament Christianity, because
people lacking it also lack unity with God's son, i.e. they are literally quite
christless.

● 1John 5:9-13 . .We accept human testimony, but God's testimony carries
more weight because it is the testimony of God, which He has given about
His son. . . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and
this life is in His son. Whoever has the Son has the life; whoever who does
not have the life, does not have God's son.

In other words: Christians crossing their fingers to obtain eternal life after
their demise are in a very serious spiritual condition because if they don't
obtain eternal life now, they won't have it when they die; meaning of course
that they will cross over to the other side alienated from Christ instead of
unified with him.

NOTE: Eternal life and Immortality are not synonymous, viz: they are not
two ways to say the same thing. The two are juxtaposed in 2Tim 1:10;
where the terms are connected with a conjunction. They aren't connected
with a verb, so that we can't say eternal life is immortality; no, eternal life
and immortality are very distinctly different; and having the first doesn't
necessarily indicate having the second.

For example: Jesus had eternal life when he was here (John 5:26) but he
didn't obtain immortality till his resurrection (Rom 6:9, Rev 1:18) Likewise,
folks correctly unified with Christ have eternal life here (John 5:24) but they
won't obtain immortality till their resurrections. (Rom 8:23-25, 1Cor 15:51-54)
_

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 John 1

King James Version

​

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”

God’s Word is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

 

[GodsGrace]

John 6:53-57

King James Version

​

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Hi Steward
This has always been an interesting topic for me.
Won't be contributing too much but could you look up John 6:53 in the original language and tell me what it means?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Hi Steward
This has always been an interesting topic for me.
Won't be contributing too much but could you look up John 6:53 in the original language and tell me what it means?

I have explained what it means in the OP. The problem is the natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God because all he knows is what he knows naturally, like natural bread and wine.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

 

[RedFan]

John 6:53: "Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ἐὰν μὴ φάγητε τὴν σάρκα τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ πίητε αὐτοῦ τὸ αἷμα, οὐκ ἔχετε ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς."

Translation: "Amen, amen, I say to you, if you shall not have eaten the flesh of the Son of the Man and shall [not] have drunk his blood, you have not life in yourselves." The phrase "life in yourselves" (ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς) hearkens back to John 5:26's "life in Himself" (ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτῷ), where it means something different from merely being alive and suggests intrinsic life which is not dependent or contingent.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If a man abides in God’s Word, God’s Living Word of Life (Christ) will abide in that man by the Holy Spirit.

1 John 2:14
I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

John 14:15-21

King James Version

​

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: drink His Blood, and eat His Flesh?
cannibalism, or symbolisnm?:

"For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew The Lord’s Death till He come"​

(1 Corinthians 11:26 AV) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Bible Teaches ↑↑↑↑↑ = symbolism, eh?​

Amen.

 

[GodsGrace]

I have explained what it means in the OP. The problem is the natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God because all he knows is what he knows naturally, like natural bread and wine.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

The natural man.
Are we here natural men or spiritual men?

Back to my question or query:

John 6:53

What I'd like to bring attention to in this thread is the line of scripture:

John 6:53
53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

Jesus says TRULY TRULY....get ready because He's going to tell us something important to which we need to give our utmost attention.

Then He says that unless we EAT the FLESH of the Son of Man and drink His blood, we have no life.

If it's symbolism....why does Jesus state that we need to EAT His flesh?
For those who believe it means the Word.....
How do you square that with THE FLESH?

And what does the word EAT mean in this sentence?
It's a specific word which appears here in John 6:53

you eat

2068: to eat

akin to edó (to eat)

esthió: to eat
Original Word: ἐσθίω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: esthió
Phonetic Spelling: (es-thee'-o)
Definition: to eat
Usage: I eat, partake of food; met: I devour, consume (e.g. as rust does).


Word Origin
akin to edó (to eat)
Definition
to eat
NASB Translation
ate (21), consume (2), diet (1), dine (1), does so (1), eat (96), eaten (2), eating (19), eats (11), feed (2), use (1).

to eat; Vulg.manduco, (edo, etc.); (of animals, to devour);

In verse 58 Jesus states that He is the real bread from heaven, NOT LIKE the bread (manna) from the wilderness.
As the manna eaten or was it just symbolic?

It sounds to me that Jesus meant HIS FLESH, MEAT and HIS BLOOD.

 

[GodsGrace]

All this constitutes one of the greatest mysteries in the New Testament. Since that time people have been trying to figure out…
1. What is the purpose or the Bread and Wine Ritual?
2. Does the Bread and Wine Ritual affect salvation?
3. Is the Bread and Wine Ritual important?
4. Is the Bread and Wine Ritual optional?
5. Is the affect on the bread and wine physical or spiritual or nothing at all?
6. How does it affect those that participate in Bread and Wine Ritual?
7. What happens if you choose not to participate in the Bread and Wine Ritual?
8. How often should the Bread and Wine Ritual be performed?
9. Does the Catholic Host accurately represent the bread and wine?
10. Was the wine watered down or grape juice?

After centuries of discussions I can tell you that not all of these questions can be answered, and some answers open up more questions.
We will first start at the source….the words of Christ. Can we find in the scriptures above were the Bread and Wine Ritual is an option….not to do? NO.

Can we find in the scriptures above were the Bread and Wine Ritual is not important? NO.

Can we find in the scriptures above were Christ said the Bread and Wine Ritual was symbolic? NO.

Can we find in the scriptures above were going to Heaven is contingent on performing the Bread and Wine Ritual? YES.
Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
Does this mean you cannot go to Heaven unless you perform the Bread and Wine Ritual? Well can you go to Heaven if you are not raised on the last day and do not have eternal life? And what does it mean not to be raised on the last day?

The spiritual relationship with Christ; Can we be “in Christ” through the performance of the Bread and Wine Ritual? YES.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

Is the bread and wine in the Ritual actually His body and blood? YES. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Then at the Last Supper....
Take, eat; this IS My body.” And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this IS My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Now Christ could have said, this is like My body or like my blood or He could have said, this is symbolic of My body or of My blood. But He said “is” which is an exactness. The bread and wine is His body and blood.

And there is the rub….there are some today that find the blood side of Christianity grotesque and offensive. They are not alone. The Apostles and disciples also found it grotesque and offensive…. On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” Why did they react that way? Eating human flesh and drinking human blood was extremely sacrilegious to the Jews and would seem very Pagan. And in fact He lost many in His ministry because of it. From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

Now Christ knew that this was going to be an issue with His followers. But Christ did not back down. It had to happen for His followers to have eternal life. And it did happen at the Last Supper.

So it was not just an idea or metaphor because He explained it and then performed it. So everything that Christ said about eating His body and drinking His blood was extremely important. And those early Christians that met in private homes to hold services planned the services around a meal where the Bread and Wine Ritual was performed.

But still how does the bread and wine become His body and blood and how does baptism wash away sins and how does believing in Christ save us? These are questions that people have been pondering for centuries.

As far as the bread and wine changing into the body and blood of Christ….some call it transubstantiation and some call it consubstantiation. But I think both are inaccurate because it was an attempt to explain it within physical parameters. When actually what going on is occurring in both the physical and spiritual worlds. The substances of the bread and wine coexisting in the physical and spiritual worlds. But still the comprehendible and the incomprehensible of all that is the process of salvation as in what goes on in parallel between the physical and spiritual worlds. It is just one of the reasons why it is just best to do what Christ and the Apostles said to do instead of second guessing what we are told to do and reasoning out what is necessary and what is not because we are not going to know or be able to comprehend all that is going on. We have to have faith that there is a reason why we told to do these things.

Things that we are not going to understand, like why Yeshua had to die and why blood means so much to God the Father? Why couldn’t Yeshua just come down and explain the process of salvation and ascend back to the Father? Why was all the blood and suffering and dieing necessary? Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man’s brother I will require the life of man. The very concept of blood sacrifices for atonement. The Jewish priests were burning animal organs and fat on the altars in the Temple and throwing blood on the horns of the altars.

The blood concepts of Christianity are something that all Christians need to understand and embrace. What does the blood of Christ do for us?....The blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin…. we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace….we have now been justified by his blood…. And through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross…. to sanctify the people through his own blood…. For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins…. And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith….Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant…. According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you….They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Website....
What Does the Bible Say About Blood Of Jesus?

The Bread and Wine Ritual is a reality that if not performed correctly can cause harm….
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 1st Corinthians 11:27-30

On the question of the Catholic Host?
The Bread and Wine Ritual should be performed as demonstrated in the scriptures. But we can do that on occasion but I have no problems with the Catholic mass communion with the Host.

I've gone from real to symbol and back to real.
As I stated, John 6:53 explains it well for me.
It's interesting that when it suits us we take Jesus' words literally,
and when it doesn't, we don't.
We know He didn't mean everything literally, but this sounds like He did.
Disciples left because it was a hard saying....this convinced me too.
Thanks for a good post!

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If it's symbolism....why does Jesus state that we need to EAT His flesh?
For those who believe it means the Word.....
How do you square that with THE FLESH?

And what does the word EAT mean in this sentence?
It's a specific word which appears here in John 6:53

you eat

2068: to eat

akin to edó (to eat)

esthió: to eat
Original Word: ἐσθίω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: esthió
Phonetic Spelling: (es-thee'-o)
Definition: to eat
Usage: I eat, partake of food; met: I devour, consume (e.g. as rust does).


Word Origin
akin to edó (to eat)
Definition
to eat
NASB Translation
ate (21), consume (2), diet (1), dine (1), does so (1), eat (96), eaten (2), eating (19), eats (11), feed (2), use (1).

to eat; Vulg.manduco, (edo, etc.); (of animals, to devour);

In verse 58 Jesus states that He is the real bread from heaven, NOT LIKE the bread (manna) from the wilderness.
As the manna eaten or was it just symbolic?

It sounds to me that Jesus meant HIS FLESH, MEAT and HIS BLOOD.

Jesus taught using parables and similitudes. Just as God spoke by the prophets using similitudes, proverbs, parables, dark sayings etc. God often uses things seen in nature and in the natural world to “liken” them to spiritual things and to describe spiritual truths. But the natural man cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit.

Also to literally drink/eat blood is against the law of God. Jesus was not telling people to transgress the law that forbad the drinking/eating of literal blood.

Deuteronomy 12:16
Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.

Deuteronomy 15:23
Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus taught using parables and similitudes. Just as God spoke by the prophets using similitudes, proverbs, parables, dark sayings etc. God often uses things seen in nature and in the natural world to “liken” them to spiritual things and to describe spiritual truths. But the natural man cannot receive or understand the things of the Spirit.

Also to literally drink/eat blood is against the law of God. Jesus was not telling people to transgress the law that forbad the drinking/eating of literal blood.

Deuteronomy 12:16
Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.

Deuteronomy 15:23
Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.

Since God CREATED THE LAW
And Jesus is God,
I'd say that whatever Jesus states can be taken to mean that HE/GOD allows it.

I think we have to be able to distinguish between a parable -which in any case uses real and true examples - and also understand that WHATEVER type of speech Jesus used, He meant it literally.

I also hope you understand that Jesus spoke in parable for various reasons - not the least being that He wanted to finish His teaching ministry before He was executed by His own people, at the hands of the Romans. I think we all know that the Jewish heirarchy considered Him to be dangerous from the beginning.

All that being said....
Yes...John 6:53 means TO CHEW, TO EAT, as food, TO CONSUME.

But we do like to ignore some scripture, don't we?

You'd have to, in this case, show how John 6:53 does NOT mean eat in a literal sense,
but I know you won't be able to do that.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

All that being said....
Yes...John 6:53 means TO CHEW, TO EAT, as food, TO CONSUME.

But we do like to ignore some scripture, don't we?

You'd have to, in this case, show how John 6:53 does NOT mean eat in a literal sense,
but I know you won't be able to do that.

So are you going to ascend into heaven and get you some Jesus meat to literally chew on? Lol

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

 

[GodsGrace]

So are you going to ascend into heaven and get you some Jesus meat to literally chew on? Lol

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

I do believe it's available right here on earth.

And thanks for the compliments...
that's so loving of you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Since God CREATED THE LAW
And Jesus is God,
I'd say that whatever Jesus states can be taken to mean that HE/GOD allows it.

I think we have to be able to distinguish between a parable -which in any case uses real and true examples - and also understand that WHATEVER type of speech Jesus used, He meant it literally.

I also hope you understand that Jesus spoke in parable for various reasons - not the least being that He wanted to finish His teaching ministry before He was executed by His own people, at the hands of the Romans. I think we all know that the Jewish heirarchy considered Him to be dangerous from the beginning.

All that being said....
Yes...John 6:53 means TO CHEW, TO EAT, as food, TO CONSUME.

But we do like to ignore some scripture, don't we?

You'd have to, in this case, show how John 6:53 does NOT mean eat in a literal sense,
but I know you won't be able to do that.

do you think John 6 is a parable? And does Jesus not mean to eat in a literal sense?

 

[GodsGrace]

do you think John 6 is a parable? And does Jesus not mean to eat in a literal sense?

John 6 is not a parable.
Do you think so?
Which verses?

I've been back and forth on this.
I'm not saying I'm 100% sure like I am of some other theological doctrine.
But, yes, it's either the Real Presence or Transubstantiation, which even Luther believed to be true.

To me it sounds like Jesus means it literally.
And John 6:53 seems to me to be the clincher.
Have you ever done a little study on that verse?
What do you think?