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Evidence of Black Africans in the Bible

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Buzzfruit, Oct 27, 2011.

  1. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Genetically, all humans started out black, anyway. White skin is a mutation that was genetically favored for life in Northern climates.
     
  2. Buzzfruit

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    And where did you get that from?
     
  3. Duckybill

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    I think all of the Jew haters are going to find out that they hate Jesus.

    Mark 15:2 (NKJV)
    2 Then Pilate asked Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered and said to him, "It is as you say."

    John 4:9 (NKJV)
    9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, "How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?"

    I agree. She was black.
     
  4. Nomad

    Nomad Post Tenebras Lux

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    I thought the following was interesting in light of this discussion:

    Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil.

    It would seem that Jeremiah is drawing a parallel between an Ethiopian's skin color and a leopard's spots -- for what it's worth.

    There's something wrong with the editor and i can't make the font any bigger. Sorry.
     
  5. michaelvpardo

    michaelvpardo Well-Known Member

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    Its a safe bet that the Ethiopian that was saved while engaged in reading the scroll of Isaiah, found in the book of acts, was black. In Ethiopia there was a people known as the Falashas, that were Jewish and largely emigrated to Israel during the ethiopian civil war. In Ethiopia they have been at war repeatedly with Ethiopian Christians over the possession of what they believe to be the Ark of the Covenant. The Falashas practiced temple worship (with sacrifice) and there's at least one very well researched book that suggests that the Ark may have been taken to Egypt to the Island of Elephantine, to preserve it from invaders and then later further up the nile to a lake in ethiopia. The current claim of Ethiopian Christians is that they have the Ark of the covenant in a church called St. Mary of Zion in a town called Axum. This can't be substantiated, because one priest is selected to be the keeper of the sanctuary for life and no one else is allowed in. The ethiopian christians still use ancient musical instruments, like timbrels, and have a religious festival where they wear two boards on top of their heads, called Tabot, which are meant to resemble the tablets of the old testament covenant. They also have an interesting "legend" in old manuscripts about a prince named menalaus who was responsible for gaining possession of the ark, and who was supposed to be a descendant of the queen of Sheba. By the way, the island of Elephantine has a ruin of a copy of the temple in Jerusalem, the purpose of which was to house the Ark. I gave away the book that I had, but I believe it was called the sign and the seal, and also talks about the white men who came from the north "to help the ethiopians", but were apparently very interested in the Ark and helped them to build some remarkable churches, including ones carved out of the bedrock. Much of the book is dedicated to showing a link between the Knights templar, the Masons, some of the cathedrals in europe, the search for the grail, etc. I don't know what the author's agenda was, beyond making a profit, but the research was interesting.
     
  6. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Origins of light skin

    See also: Human skin color

    The main hypotheses which attempt to account for white skin suggest it is an adaptation to inadequate ultraviolet radiation. As humans moved out of the tropics, a conspicuous latitude gradient of skin tones follows the out of Africa dispersion, it is argued natural selection for sufficient ultraviolet penetration to enable vitamin Dproduction gave rise to the evolution of skin pigmentation by the mechanism of evolution by natural selection. Deleterious health effects of insufficient vitamin D are also pointed to as confirmation that skin lightening was in response to strong selection pressure for maximizing vitamin D.[sup][33][/sup][sup][34][/sup][sup][35][/sup] A variation of the vitamin D argument is that humans lived in Europe for several thousand years without their skin lightening and that it only became white after they adopted agriculture.[sup][33][/sup][sup][36][/sup] It is suggested that in Europe the latitude permitted enough synthesis of vitamin D combined with hunting for health, only when agriculture was adopted was there a need for lighter skin to maximize the synthesis of vitamin D, therefore it is suggested the elimination of game meat, fish, and some plants from the diet resulted in skin turning white several thousand years after modern human settlement in Europe.[sup][37][/sup][sup][38][/sup]

    Skin color is a quantitative trait that varies continuously on a gradient from dark to light, as it is a polygenic trait, under the influence of several genes. KITLG[sup][39][/sup] andASIP[sup][40][/sup] have been found responsible for skin colour variation between sub-Saharan Africans and non-African populations. SLC45A2,[sup][41][/sup] TYR[sup][42][/sup] and SLC24A5[sup][43][/sup] have been positively shown to account for a substantial fraction of the difference in melanin units between Europeans and Africans, while DCT,[sup][44][/sup] MC1R[sup][45][/sup] and ATRN[sup][41][/sup] have been statistically indicated as possible sources for skin tone differences in East Asian populations.

    A 2006 study concluded that light pigmentation in European and Asian populations evolved independently of each other via different genetic mechanisms, meaning that light skin probably arose some time after the initial migration out of Africa after the separation of the M and N mtDNA haplogroups.[sup][46][/sup] The mutation resulting in the light skin version of the SLC24A5 gene has been estimated to have originated in Europe between 6,000 and 12,000 years ago, indicating that at least one of the genes responsible for pale skin colour in Europeans arose relatively recently.[sup][47][/sup]

    Mutations in the MC1R gene have been shown to cause variations in human hair colour and skin tones such as red hair and pale skin that doesn't tan. Studies have shown no evidence of positive selection for these alleles in modern day humans, and they do not appear to be associated with the evolution of fair skin in current European populations.[sup][41][/sup][sup][48][/sup]
     
  7. Christian1488

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    A Study on Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch

    by Pastor Mark Downey

    " ... the story about Philip and the Ethiopian found in Acts 8:26-40. It has been assumed by contemporary seminary trained doctors of divinity that the Ethiopian of 2000 years ago is the same as today, as if to say the demographics remained static. We in Christian Identity respectfully disagree.
    The key to the identity of the Ethiopian eunuch is to find out who the inhabitants of Ethiopia in New Testament times really were. Many Judeo-Christian publishers gloss the Ethiopian as an arbitrary African Negro without much historical accuracy. History is replete with examples of territories changing in racial make-up via wars, famines, migrations etc. Egypt is a good example of determining the racial identity of an Egyptian, depending on the time period. The history of Ethiopia is one of several important kingdoms that are basically unknown to Christendom, e.g., the Silurian Parthian and Scythian Empires. These territories provided fertile soil for the missionary efforts of the early Christian church. The Apostle Matthew spent much of his time fulfilling the Great Commission in the most unknown Christian empire of them all: Aksum, ancient Ethiopia.
    This is what the World Book Encyclopedia has to say about this empire: “Aksum was a powerful ancient kingdom in East Africa. It was the ancestor of Ethiopia. It became important about 50 A.D. and reached its zenith between the 300s and 600s. Aksum grew rich and powerful because of Adule, its port on the Red Sea. Adule was a world trading center. Goods were traded to merchants from Egypt, Greece, Rome, Persia, India and Ceylon. Aksumite kings built impressive forts, palaces and granite monuments. During the 300s, King Ezana defeated the state of Meroe. Ezana became famous for making Christianity the state religion. Aksum declined after the Persians conquered Arabia in the late 500s. During the 600s, the Muslims conquered the Persians and stopped the flow of settlers who had come to Aksum from southern Arabia. As a result, the Christians of Aksum were surrounded by non-Christians.”
    In 960 A.D. Judith (a descendent of Cain), conceived a plan to murder all members of the royal family of Aksum (descendents from King Solomon of Israel and the Queen of Sheba of southern Arabia). During and after this reign of terror, this once powerful Christian kingdom fell into insignificance. Later, in the 1600s Negro tribes called Galla moved into the ancient land and ravaged, pillaged, and burnt enormous areas, destroying countless treasures contained in the churches and irreplaceable old manuscripts. Thus, once the second largest Christian nation of its time, Aksum became a wasteland, and its heritage forgotten and ignored. The forgotten history of the kingdom of the African Nile has caused many modern day Christian Bible students to make a major assumption that is totally incorrect: that the Ethiopian eunuch of Acts chapter 8 was a Negro. But this popular assumption is not correct for the following reasons:
    • It’s a faulty assumption because it’s based on the idea that Ethiopia now, as well as 2000 years ago, was and is a Negro nation. All of the ancient kingdoms of East Africa, including Egypt, Aksum, Kush, Yemen and southern Arabia were not Negro nations in 33 A.D., but instead were Caucasian and bastions of white culture until the 1600s.
    • The word “Ethiopian” indicates that this eunuch was a Caucasian. “Aith” means sunburned and “ops” means countenance, hence a sunburned complexion. Negroes do not have a sunburned look. It is white people who tan from sun exposure and therefore were the original Ethiopians according to archaic etymology. A similar exegesis is found in the Song of Solomon.
    • The Ethiopian eunuch had been to Jerusalem to do what only an Israelite could do, i.e. “to worship” (Acts 8:27). Who was allowed to worship in the Temple? Could a non-Israelite enter the Court of Israel and worship in the Temple, especially in the time right after the death of Christ? Consider what happened to the Apostle Paul when he stirred up all the people by bringing Greeks into the Temple, and they were going to kill him for it (Acts 21:27-31). Trophimus, even though he was racially the same as Paul, was considered a heathen, polluting the Temple by his presence. How then could an Ethiopian Negro (who definitely could not be an Israelite) have entered into the forbidden, exclusive Temple Court of Israel and worshipped? Wouldn’t he have polluted the Temple too?
    • The Ethiopian was reading a very expensive scroll of Isaiah. Phillip asked him if he knew what he was reading, and he said he needed someone to explain. The eunuch had just finished reading the following 3 verses from Isaiah 53:4-6, which had the recurrent theme of “OUR griefs”, “OUR sorrows”, “OUR transgressions”, “OUR iniquities”, “OUR peace”, “WE are healed”, “WE, like sheep” and “WE have turned”. What people are all the preceding pronouns (in caps) referring to? “For the transgression of MY PEOPLE was He stricken” (Isaiah 53:8): God’s people; the people known as ‘sheep’; the people whom Christ redeemed; the people of the covenants; the people of God’s Kingdom; the people next of kin to Christ, their Kinsman Redeemer, the God of Israel. Isaiah was writing about providing atonement for Israel. This is, no doubt, what Philip explained to the Ethiopian eunuch. The Apostle Phillip, Isaiah, Christ and the Ethiopian (Aksumian) eunuch were all Israelites.
    • Doesn’t it seem strange that if Aksum, the second largest Christian nation at one time, was actually a black nation, that there was no other known black Christians, let alone kingdoms, anyplace in the world? Isn’t it significant that there were no Negroes who ever attended any of the church councils; or were bishops or elders from this or any other area? If any assumptions are to be made, it is fair to think that the eunuch probably helped Matthew to establish churches in an area with a rich Christian heritage (which is all but forgotten today).
    The preceding study is a typical treatment of rightly dividing the Word of God and harmonizing it with the rest of scriptures from a Christian Identity perspective. We cannot ignore secular history as it relates to His Story of divine revelation. Christian Identity is an aspiration towards pure Christianity in all of its moral applications. We admonish our people to read, believe and obey the Word of God. Much of the biblical narrative is enhanced by the understanding and wisdom we get from knowledge that is freely available."
     
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    http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/13th-tribe/wsdindex.html - The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler

    This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in A.D. 740 converted to Judaism. Khazaria, a conglomerate of Aryan Turkish tribes, was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Han, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the craddle of Western (Ashkenazim) Jewry...



    http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/Was-jesus-jewish.html - Jesus Christ Was Not Jewish

    http://www.israelect.com/reference/SheldonEmry/studies/Jesus%20Christ%20the%20Galilean.pdf - Jesus Christ The Galilean
    This book should be read by anyone who believes the lie, "Jesus was a Jew." Biblical proof that Jesus spent most of his life in Galilee.
     
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    Christian1488, I've read your referenced articles and I must say I don't agree with them on several points. However, I've also looked into the authors of them, and they are all pretty controversial fellows. I'm not against controversy, mind you... And I certainly am looking for the truth, no matter who does or doesn't like it. However, all these folks are accussed of having an agenda. Care to address that?
     
  10. HammerStone

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    I had to edit my remarks as I saw Nomad had already made reference to Jeremiah 13:23. I'm wondering, to a certain extent and not trying to ignore all of history here, if we've maybe hyper-sensitized race. IE: The dumb ideas that one race is inherently "better" than another, slavery, etc. Perhaps it wasn't such an issue during Biblical times? Maybe it's God's little way of saying, I don't care what color your skin is? I realize I'm crossing over into the realm of politics here, but I wonder where concepts like Balkanization play into this?

    This should be a non-issue, but there are fringe elements on all sides that seem to pollute things. I've seen racial exclusivity be used by churches of all color in one form or another, and it completely misses the point. The true Christian does not discriminate.

    At least one of the lightning rods is the concept of the Israelites. If you look at it, God would seem to be favoring a race. I think that's a shallow understanding of who God is, but I could see where one could draw that conclusion with not knowing any better. I think some try and read the Bible this way.

    Let me also say that I am well aware of the attempts to hijack the idea that at least some of the 10 so-called lost tribes settled across the Caucasus Mountains. Unfortunately this lead to - well for lack of a better term morons - who used that as an idea of a superior "white" race. I don't believe in a superior race but I do believe that at least some elements of the tribe comprise many of us in the "western" world today. (If you get right down to it, blacks would be included in this lineage by marriages, etc as well! No such thing as some pure line of anyone!)

    Bottom line is I think the races were clearly in the Bible. If you want to argue Asians aren't, then there might be more of an argument there, but I still think we fail to understand how interconnected the ancient world was.
     
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    I personally feel that people of color have made important spiritual contributions to the church. As the word to the Sardiseans were that they had a name that lived but were dead... So there were some pretty dead spiritual things that we white folk brought with us from Europe. I think many went overboard in their church doctrine and became as dead and dry as last years toast.

    The 'Doctrine of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost' video (which is doing pretty well by the way) was taken from the devotions of William Seymour... A black man....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SID1FZZDtPw
     
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    An agenda? for what preaching Christianity?

    mainstream ministers preach falsehoods,you have to ask yourself why the enemies of Christianity like mainstream Christianity so much? Care to address that?

    http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/Who%20Killed%20Christ.pdf - Who Killed Christ?
    Deceitful ministers continue the lie that Roman soldiers killed Christ. This booklet proves the truth, that Jewish Scribes and Pharisees were the murderers of Christ.
     
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    [sub]I ws thinking about this the other day. [/sub]

    [sub]I used to work at a grocery store when I was young. There was a pentacostal woman that I used to sack groceries for. One day we were talking about the Bible. (I think her daughter married a black man). [/sub]
    [sub]She told me she used to think that was wrong. Then she told me how she was studying the Bible and found out that Moses,,,,(Abraham?) married an Ethiopian woman. From that point on she didn't pay attention to race.[/sub]
     
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    The promotion of racial superiority of whites over blacks was one way the land owners and the wealthy use to justify slavery and to hold on to their slaves. And sadly, after emancipation many whites did not emancipate their minds from their distorted way of thinking about blacks. The liberation of one's mind is the hardest obstacle to for an individual to overcome.
     
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    True. But, I don't think the history is so simple, espescially in the southern US. With the history and the politics after the Civil War, it seems that black and white people had a distorted view of eachother. We've all made some good progress, although I don't think any of us have a clear understanding. I think the biggest problem atleast in the US is the culture boundaries. As humans we seem to all try to gravitate to a culture where we feel we fit in. Unfortunately through the history of the US, culture has been separated into little more than race.
     
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    Thank you for adding that important common denominator. Something about the words "blacks, whites" makes it sound like some sort of animal species. Some people don't realize that dropping what ties us together adds to the divide. No offense to anyone that said it here, just my opinion. :)
     
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    Well, I must say that I think discrimination takes on varying flavors.

    If you look at any culture there is a bias for that culture. White people for white people, black people for black people, Japanese for Japanese, Chinese for Chinese, and so on. Asian history is particularly interesting because the various cultures felt very superior to the white people that showed up even to the point of denying a threat as they "took them over."

    Heck, if you get right down to it, in most places a northerner will be an outsider in moving to a small southern town and vice versa. He or she will be discriminated against. People don't like the unknown and different.

    I was raised to respect everyone and grew up playing sports and going to classes with plenty of black, hispanic, and asian friends. Yet I was told by some academic knucklehead somehow I'm still a racist because I'm from the south.

    As far as overcoming racial nonsense, the best place to start is ourselves as an example to those around us. Anyone who denies black people in the Bible is full of it and a knucklehead. We are beyond that these days and I think many during the time the Bible was written were as well.
     
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    It’s one thing for people who live in another Countries to have different cultures, but when two sets people live in the same Country under the same government, and speak the same language and is separated by culture, that is sad.

    But I would say that whatever misunderstanding blacks might have of whites was caused by the way whites treated blacks. The vast majority of blacks only wanted to be accepted and respected, the same way most whites were treated by each other…..but blacks could not get the respect they deserve.
     
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    Fair enough, but at what point is the behavior really that different on both sides when you remove the money/power of the whites of the Confederate history? I don't think it's as different as some would like us to think because of institutional biases built into cultures.

    If you want examples of cultures where white people kill and hurt other white people that are very similar in culture, look no further than historic Scotland or Ireland (even of recent times). Look at Africa where different religions are resulting in genocides of African on Africans (Egypt, Sudan, etc). Heck, you see it in South America, Asia, and Europe. Look at the trends of Balkanization.

    I mean I'm sorry, but I'm for calling a spade a spade. I try very hard to be cognizant and respectful of what I do. I've gone so far as to never purchase Confederate emblems and so on forth that will offend my brother, but sir, I can tell you on a daily basis I get treated differently because I am a white person. To me that's not any more justified than what was done to the black people in American history because the underlying premise is still the same. I simply want to see an acknowledgement that this is an across the board problem and then I want to see people move beyond that. You're not going to find discrimination here as far as black people and white people, because frankly I'd kick 'em out. Or vice versa. Or any other culture. (And yes, I do acknowledge that recent events made me slow in removing some antisemite knuckleheads, but they're gone all the same.)

    I'm sorry but realistically I think sometimes people are looking for reasons.
     
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    What I said and the above only proves that there is no such thing as American exceptionalism. But there are other Countries where people of different skin color live in peace and intermary with each other, that will never happen here in the U.S under the courrent mindset here in the U.S.
     
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