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Ex-gay group Exodus International closes after president apologizes
by Erin Roach — BP

R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said it became clear last year — when Chambers suggested that people can persist in homosexual behavior and still receive the salvation that Jesus offers — that Chambers and Exodus International were rethinking their understanding of a Christian approach to homosexuality.
"Sadly, it appears that this rethinking has resulted in something like a surrender to the cultural currents of the day," said Mohler.

http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Jun13/Art_Jun13_40.html

Wow!...an apology that rejects Godly discipline and embraces a secular world-view. I'm gob smacked! :eek:
 

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Here it is for ease of discussion for all interested. :)

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Ex-gay group Exodus International closes after president apologizes


by Erin Roach — BP Published, June 20, 2013

IRVINE, Calif. — Exodus International, a decades-old ministry of helping people overcome homosexual behavior, announced it is closing down the same day its president, Alan Chambers, issued a public apology to people who have been hurt by the organization.

"Exodus International is the prodigal's older brother, trying to impose its will on God's promises, and make judgments on who's worthy of His Kingdom. God is calling us to be the Father — to welcome everyone, to love unhindered," Chambers said in a written statement June 19, alluding also to the development of a new ministry to "reduce fear."

Russell D. Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said the folding of Exodus International "doesn't mean the folding of an evangelistic sexual ethic, though it does mean a move away from a therapeutic model of sexual sanctification."

"Evangelical Christianity increasingly addresses sexual issues more in line with the older Christian tradition of sin and temptation and triumph than with the language of therapy," said Moore. "We can't have a utopian view of overcoming temptation of any sort."

Jesus never promises any Christian freedom from temptation, Moore said, but He does promise the power of the Spirit to fight against the pull to temptation, whatever the temptation may be.

"Increasingly churches are addressing persons with same-sex attractions the same way they address everyone else: in terms of the Gospel and a lifelong call to take up one's cross and follow Christ," Moore said. "This means the Christian grappling with same-sex attractions needs to hear that the Gospel addresses him or her, and that this person needs the whole body of Christ, in community, not just an accountability group of those who are defined by the same temptations."

R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said it became clear last year — when Chambers suggested that people can persist in homosexual behavior and still receive the salvation that Jesus offers — that Chambers and Exodus International were rethinking their understanding of a Christian approach to homosexuality.

"Sadly, it appears that this rethinking has resulted in something like a surrender to the cultural currents of the day," said Mohler.

Chambers' apology was to appear on an episode of "Our America" with Lisa Ling on the Oprah Winfrey Network June 20, but in a speech at the Exodus Freedom conference at Concordia College in Irvine, Calif., Wednesday night and in a statement released earlier that day, Chambers said he must "finally own and acknowledge the hurt of others."

"It is strange to be someone who has both been hurt by the church's treatment of the LBGT community, and also to be someone who must apologize for being part of the very system of ignorance that perpetuated that hurt," Chambers wrote. "Today it is as if I've just woken up to a greater sense of how painful it is to be a sinner in the hands of an angry church."

Chambers, who has served as president of Exodus International for 11 years, said his newfound beliefs "center around grace," rather than sin.

"I have heard many firsthand stories from people called ex-gay survivors. Stories of people who went to Exodus affiliated ministries or ministers for help only to experience more trauma.... And then there is the trauma that I have caused," Chambers wrote, pointing to his decision for years not to disclose his own ongoing same-sex attractions.

Chambers' apology continued, "I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn't change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents....

"I am sorry that I, knowing some of you so well, failed to share publicly that the gay and lesbian people I know were every bit as capable of being amazing parents as the straight people that I know. I am sorry that when I celebrated a person coming to Christ and surrendering their sexuality to Him that I callously celebrated the end of relationships that broke your heart."

Most of all, Chambers said, he regrets that people have interpreted "this religious rejection by Christians" as God's rejection, and he said he will never again allow his beliefs about marriage and sex to interfere with loving his neighbor.

The Orlando-based Exodus International, with 260 member ministries worldwide, announced the decision to close after a unanimous vote by its board of directors who for a year, according to a news release, discussed and prayed about "the organization's place in a changing culture."

"We're not negating the ways God used Exodus to positively affect thousands of people, but a new generation of Christians is looking for change — and they want to be heard," board member Tony Moore said in the news release.

Randy Thomas, executive vice president of Exodus International, told The Tennessean newspaper in Nashville that the group — going forward under a new name, reportedly to be announced late June 20 — will no longer aim to help people change from homosexual to heterosexual attractions.

"Providing help for people to turn from gay to straight is something we've distanced ourselves from," Thomas said. Instead, the new mission will be to help people achieve a better relationship with Jesus without judgment, he said.

Mohler’s comments described the Exodus announcement as "not a course correction — it is a capitulation."

"The statements from Alan Chambers and Exodus International indicate that they have lost confidence in both the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ," Mohler said.

"The normalization of homosexuality contradicts the Bible's consistent condemnation of all same-sex sexuality as sin. The rejection of the hope for change for homosexuals (as for all sinners) indicates a tragic loss of confidence in the Gospel of Jesus Christ," Mohler said.

In that light, he added, "it is far better for the ministry to disband than to misrepresent the Christian community and the Gospel."

Chambers' personal comments, Mohler said, "are both troubling and confusing," particularly his statements about sin.

"While Alan Chambers is right when he insists that our beliefs do not center on 'sin' because 'sin' isn't at the center of our faith, he seems to have lost sight of the fact that Christ came to save us from our sin," Mohler said. "Thus, sin is inseparable from our story of salvation in Christ."

The news of Exodus International's closing makes for a sad day for the Christian church, Mohler said, because the collapse of any ministry that had once served the cause of the Gospel is a tragedy. He noted that this collapse was progressive, not instantaneous.
 

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1 Corinthians 3
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be savedeven though only as one escaping through the flames.

This may seem like a harsh word but it is the one that comes to mind when reading this article... :unsure:
 

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Angelina said:
1 Corinthians 3
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be savedeven though only as one escaping through the flames.

This may seem like a harsh word but it is the one that comes to mind when reading this article... :unsure:
No, I think the scripture you have pulled is exactly how all these and other things like it in our lives etc is judged by GOD. :)
 

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So you guys reject counseling, but are upset that Christian counseling is being honest about causing more harm than good trying to talk homosexuals straight? Here, let me slice you a big piece of your own cake.......
 

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I am still involved in Christian counseling... :)

but are upset that Christian counseling is being honest about causing more harm than good trying to talk homosexuals straight? Here, let me slice you a big piece of your own cake.......
Christian counseling does not cause harm. This man is compromising his integrity as a professed believer... Christian Counseling helps people to be set free from sinful practices using Godly principles, taught from the Word of God. I like Chocolate cake but I love carrot cake topping thanks... ;)
 

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aspen2 said:
So you guys reject counseling, but are upset that Christian counseling is being honest about causing more harm than good trying to talk homosexuals straight? Here, let me slice you a big piece of your own cake.......
Truth is I've never met a straight GAY yet.

I think it's highly dubious to think that gays want to repent and will be saved. I've seen the one scripture sighted for gays being saved from their past life... such were some of you... yet I'm not convinced on this obscure scripture that a GAY as we know them today was being referred to, here. Rather bisexual behavior may be what is being considered and homosexual behavior in the general term is being used.

Otherwise, how can you account for the explicit condemnation of them in Romans 1:26-28.
 

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aspen2 said:
So you guys reject counseling, but are upset that Christian counseling is being honest about causing more harm than good trying to talk homosexuals straight? Here, let me slice you a big piece of your own cake.......
^^^^ This
 

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Christian counseling here....isn't being honest though, it's being compromised due to secular pressure to conform... :huh:
 

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I disagree Angelina. Homosexuals - whether they are born with it or it is a result of nurture are not scared straight or counseled straight. It just doesn't work.
 

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So all those born-again ex homosexual believers are lying to themselves? :huh: and God's work through the Holy Spirit in their lives...is just a figment of their imagination?

It's a "cop out!" One of the major issues that man faces today is not homosexuality, lust or perversion or porn addictions - it's idolatry and God has an answer for that in his word. It's a fruit of the Spirit, "called self-control". Something that Churches today do not preach on...
 

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I have no idea if homosexuals who believe they have been cured by Christian counseling are lying to themselves - I've never met one.

However, we should not be shocked if they are lying to themselves - they are under a lot of pressure.

What I do know is that sexual orientation, regardless of origin is one of the most deep seated drives that we possess. In addition, most honest people who have chosen to not act on their homosexual drives are clear about the fact that they are still attracted to the same sex.
 

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If the Holy Spirit is working in their lives through the sanctification process...there is no shock to be had. :huh: It's just another sin issue that believers deal with. I have encountered plenty of ex gay folks walking with God. If I were an alcoholic...[which I am not] I may never touch a drink for the rest of my life but that does not mean that I will not desire it. Desires come from the flesh, something that God tells us to crucify...he also gives us the ability to overcome these fleshly desires through the aide of the Holy Spirit...
 

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I agree Angelina - so how can people claim that they are curing homosexuals? If they still have the temptation and they are choosing to not act on it, they are still attracted to the same sex and therefore still homosexual. This is what the Exodus group discovered and in response closed down.
 

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aspen2,
You know that God did not remove temptation from the world. In fact Jesus was tempted Matthew 4:1-11 but did not sin. Hebrews 4:15 He became our high Priest who can sympathize with us on all points of temptation and is able to aide those who are tempted...Hebrews 4:15-18. These guys are apologizing for helping those being tempted, accepting their present status...and "that's a cop out" :huh:
 

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I am no expert on Exodus International, but it seems to me that they believed they could cure homosexuals - as in, changing their sexual orientation. Teaching someone not to act on their sexual desires is not the same thing as teaching them to desire the opposite sex. As soon as they realized that there program was not effective in changing the sexual orientation of their clients, they stopped claiming that they could accomplish their goal and, rightfully, apologized to their clients.
 

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R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said it became clear last year — when Chambers suggested that people can persist in homosexual behavior and still receive the salvation that Jesus offers — that Chambers and Exodus International were rethinking their understanding of a Christian approach to homosexuality.
"Sadly, it appears that this rethinking has resulted in something like a surrender to the cultural currents of the day," said Mohler.

The IE president who has publicly apologized to the his clients and I would say...the gay community in general - suggested that they can persist in homosexual behavior and still receive the salvation that Jesus offers...he's done a 360... :huh:
 

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It looks like he has changed his mind about homosexuality being sinful, based on he failure to curing homosexuality in his clients. I do not agree with his position, but I can certainly understand his confusion and frustration. If living as a homosexual means damnation, it would be difficult to engage in a ministry/counseling program that does not work.
 

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Angelina said:
Christian counseling here....isn't being honest though, it's being compromised due to secular pressure to conform... :huh:
That's an easy charge to make considering this plays right into the hands of gay rights and other Leftist groups. But if the staff at EI had a heartfelt conviction that they were doing wrong, should the fact that setting things right seems to cave into political correctness stop them from doing the right thing?