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Featured EZ 38-39 TIMELINE

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Heb 13:8, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. Heb 13:8

    Heb 13:8 Well-Known Member

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    I believe God actually placed the timing of this war into scripture, via the birds at the great supper of God at the end of the 70th week. (Ez 39:4, Rev 19:17-18)

    1. Ez 38 begins at the abomination of desolation
    2. Peace and safety in first 3.5 years allows Israel to be with unwalled villages
    3. Peace and safety in first 3.5 years gives Israel the decision to rebuild the third temple
    4. Ez 38 is this sudden destruction in 1 Thess 5:3 at the abomination of desolation
    5. Ez 39 takes place at the end of the 70th week
    6. The birds eat the flesh of the dead bodies left after Ez 39 is over
    7. Ez 39:2-4 comes prior to Ez 39:9
    8. So Israel burns weapons for the first 7 years of the 1000 yr reign

    Ez 38:11-12 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land. ”

    Ez 39:2-4 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals.

    Rev 19:17-18 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

    Ez 39:9 “ ‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel.
     
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    Vexatious Active Member

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    The abomination of desolation was the Roman army (Luke 21:20) that desolated Jerusalem in 70 AD (Luke 21:32). There is no third temple (where's your verse stating a third temple will be built, and where does it fit into Luke 21?). Daniel's 70 Weeks came to an end in the first century, do the math. Can we move past the Antichristian insanity of Dispensationalism that has so burdened the church in the last few decades?

    STOP IT!

    You quote four verses, and not a one of them even remotely supports your claims.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Looks like you have bought into the nonsense of Preterism. So chances are you will not recognize it as PURE FANTASY. According to your theory, we would already be living in the New Heavens and the New Earth!

    The abomination of desolation cannot be separated from the reign of the Antichrist and Satan for 3 1/2 years, and this is yet future. And there must be a third temple in order for those prophecies to be fulfilled.
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Matthew 24:21
    Well, if THIS already happened-I will eat my hat. :rolleyes:
     
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    That would be better than becoming a deluded Preterist. How in the world did Christians invent all these deluded ideas? One has to wonder.
     
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    Everyone's eschatology this side of Dispensationalism is that the tribulation Jesus spoke of happened in the first century. It's the view of nearly every church for the last 2000 years, until the fall of western Christianity in the late 20th century, brought about by liberalism (disbelief) on the outside and Dispensationalism (Antichristian corruption) on the inside. Dispensatioanalists have done more to destroy the health of the western church than all the liberal attacks from the outside.

    You ignored the two verses I pointed to and you failed to provide the key verse for your position that I asked for. You protect your error by not examining it.

    Jesus' sermon the Tribulation doesn't' say anything about a New Heavens and a New Earth. But, if I were to defend that position, I'd point out that in Christ, the old has passed away and all things have become new.

    Another tactic of Dispensationalists use to hold onto their error is to take their own nonsense and move it up to the first century and demand to when it happened.
     
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    People in error have many ways of protecting their error. One way is to ignore the contrary evidence presented to them and instead fire back with an unrelated argument.

    How do you figure the Jewish-Roman war of the first century wasn't the worst tribulation ever (assuming Jesus wasn't engaged in hyperbole)? No war before or after has killed such a large percent of people claiming to be Jews, by anyone's measure. But, there's more: I know you're going to get your underwear in a bunch, but the Holocaust itself is a great exaggeration and the so-called Jews killed in it were not the descendants of Abraham nor in a covenant relationship with God. The Jewish people passed away in the first century. Their race and religion ended with the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. If you disagree, then show me someone practicing the priestly religion of the Old Testament. Give me the name of a Jewish priest. Give me the name of someone who can present a genealogy back to Jacob and Abraham. You won't. You can't.
     
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  8. Heb 13:8

    Heb 13:8 Well-Known Member

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    and i'm assuming you believe Rev 12:1-5 sign came to pass 2000 years ago and not on 9/23/17. :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm assuming you haven't ready anything I've recently posted, or have missed key points if you have.
     
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    Heb 13:8 Well-Known Member

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    No I read it, but thinking that Rev 12:1-5 sign came to pass 2000 yr ago is a grave error.
     
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    I think you should start responding to what I've already said before running to other nonsense.
     
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    Heb 13:8 Well-Known Member

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    I did, Rev chapter 12 is a description of the 70th week starting with harpazo rapture in Rev 12:5. The word harpazo is found in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5.
     
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    Could it be.....SATAN?! Ha! And that ever present thing called sin. :mad:
     
  14. Heb 13:8

    Heb 13:8 Well-Known Member

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    Check mate.
     
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    At least this time you started to explain what it is you're thinking. What you posted before amounts to, "What do you think of [random chapter]?" I think it agrees with me.

    As I already pointed out, Daniel's 70 Weeks expired in the first century. Do the math. If Rev 12 is a description of the 70th week, then it happened in the first century.

    If you think Rev 12 is a reference to the rapture, I guess that means you're not a pretibber, because Rev 12 happens well into the events of Revelation. Are you a pretribber?

    How is it you connect, other than the same word being used, Rev 12:5 with 1 Thess 4:17? They appear very much to be about two different things. 1 Thess 4:17 has nothing to do with a pretribber or Dispensationalist Rapture, as I explained to the air, regardless of insistence to misinterpret these verses. Rev 12:5 likewise has nothing to do with the Rapture, other than the symbolic "rapture" of a particular infant.
     
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    What I'm saying is that the 70th week is still future since Rev 12:1-5 sign came to pass just last year on 9/23/17. Yes, pre-trib rapture is true because Rev 12:5 occurs prior to Satan falling to earth in Rev 12:9. The books in Rev are not chronological as some may think, they're layered. 1 Thess 4:17 doesn't give the timing of the rapture, but Rev 12:5 does! The characters that are played out are describing corporate entities, not singular.

    Rev 12:1-5 description
    Israel - The woman
    The body of Christ - The child being born
    The antichrist system (Rev 13-17) - The red dragon

    The church was actually conceived at Pentecost 2000 years ago, and the birth is the first resurrection and rapture.

    1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception)
    2. Individual conception in the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9)
    3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5

    Three stages to the body of Christ
     
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    9/23/17?

    I'm done with this topic with you. It's one thing to debate against popular nonsense, but it's another thing to debate against someone's particular and personal nonsense doctrine. I don't know what random nonsense you believe, so I can't address you in the context of whatever it is you believe.
     
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    Heb 13:8 Well-Known Member

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    Vex, Rev 12:1-5 took place in the heavens where the sun, moon and stars reside. The sign came to pass in the constellation virgo and leo on 9/23/17. It's time to study Vex, time is short.

    rev 12:1-5 once in 7000 years - Google Search
     
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    Heb 13:8 Well-Known Member

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    Are you also aware of the tetrad blood moons landing on Jewish Holidays in 2014-15, and the total solar eclipse stretching from west to east in the US in 2017? Do you understand the times we're living in son?

    Luke 21:25-28 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

    https://www.google.com/search?sourc...j0i131j0i67j0i131i67j0i10j0i22i30.UrcJbqKMEho

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=_W...6..0i71j35i39j0i67j0i131j0i20i263.EUI1RU2f0-w
     
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    Vexatious Active Member

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    Why don't you take it up with Nancy.
     
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